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Monkeys, Rats and Me: Animal Testing Mon 27 Nov, 9:00 pm - 10:20 pm 80mins

Can killing animals to save humans ever be justified? That's the question at

the heart of the biggest battle in the history of animal rights - the campaign

to stop Oxford University building an £18m new animal lab.

 

As the demonstrations turn violent, film maker Adam Wishart has a ringside seat

at the conflict. Out on the marches and talking to the scientists, Adam asks if

vivisection actually works, and, if it does, can it be justified?

 

Given unique access to the animal labs, this film shows you what actually

happens to the rats and monkeys as researchers explore the workings of their

brains. And we follow the story of Sean Gardiner, one young boy whose life could

be transformed by animal research. Strong language and upsetting scenes.

Peter H

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Did anyone see this? My partner and I were quite disappointed. Not

once, but twice did the scientists make the statement that " all

medical advances " (or all " significant " advances, said one) were the

results of animal experiments. What crap. They also said that testing

of animals on cosmetics is no longer done..patently not true. Despite

his testament otherwise, the filmmaker seemed to have his mind made up

from the get-go. :(

 

 

, peter VV <swpgh01 wrote:

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> Monkeys, Rats and Me: Animal Testing Mon 27 Nov, 9:00 pm - 10:20

pm 80mins

> Can killing animals to save humans ever be justified? That's the

question at the heart of the biggest battle in the history of animal

rights - the campaign to stop Oxford University building an £18m new

animal lab.

>

> As the demonstrations turn violent, film maker Adam Wishart has a

ringside seat at the conflict. Out on the marches and talking to the

scientists, Adam asks if vivisection actually works, and, if it does,

can it be justified?

>

> Given unique access to the animal labs, this film shows you what

actually happens to the rats and monkeys as researchers explore the

workings of their brains. And we follow the story of Sean Gardiner,

one young boy whose life could be transformed by animal research.

Strong language and upsetting scenes.

>

>

>

>

> Peter H

>

>

>

>

> Try the all-new Mail . " The New Version is radically easier

to use " – The Wall Street Journal

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Yes, there was so much wrong, I don’t really know where to start. But happy

to voice a few opinions.

 

 

 

Peter Singer was very easily swayed that under his utilitarian viewpoint

Tipu Aziz’ experiments were justifiable. I have never trusted Peter Singer,

he is not truly for animal rights, he is a utilitarian philosopher who

happens to find most animal exploitation to be not utilitarian, and besides

utilitarians can find a way to justify just about anything. Even I was

shocked at him putting up no argument at all against Aziz.

 

 

 

I would like to have seen the film-maker getting in some scientific experts

to speak on why vivisection is flawed science and does not help people. They

could have wiped the floor with the likes of Aziz.

 

 

 

They could also have got in some of the more up to date true AR advocate

philosophers and writers such as Steven Best, or Joan Dunayer to present

really what animal rights is really about.

 

 

 

The AR movement has long ago moved on from Singer, the thinking is becoming

more consistent, and evidently Singer has not taken on board how unreliable

vivisection is, or he would be arguing against Aziz on species differences.

 

 

 

The beeb probably know all that but maybe it was not in their interests if

they support vivisection to present a true picture of animal rights and

anti-vivisection movements.

 

 

 

The only comfort for me, I know this is nasty to say, but it is the fact

that Tipu Aziz smokes like a chimney so will probably not live too long, but

then he probably believes the rubbish from the smokers’ rights people (check

out FORCES if you want to know more) about smoking protecting against

Parkinson’s disease, and probably also believes animal experiments that did

not show what we all know that smoking causes lung cancer. Because we all

know he would rather believe animal experiments than epidemiological studies

on humans, so he must believe the good outweighs the harm. I say let him

keep thinking that, it’s his funeral. What a moron.

 

 

 

I just hope the scenes of the rats and monkeys made a lot of people think it

was not justified, it was upsetting but I’m glad they showed it.

 

 

 

We also wondered if Sean, the boy who was being operated on, actually knew

who Tipu Aziz was? Sean was anti-vivisection, called it sick, so I wonder

how he would feel about who operated on him once he knew what he does to

monkeys?

 

 

 

Lesley

 

 

 

 

 

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nejmai

28 November 2006 09:28

 

Re: Watch this tonight BBC2 at 9 oclock

 

 

 

Did anyone see this? My partner and I were quite disappointed. Not

once, but twice did the scientists make the statement that " all

medical advances " (or all " significant " advances, said one) were the

results of animal experiments. What crap. They also said that testing

of animals on cosmetics is no longer done..patently not true. Despite

his testament otherwise, the filmmaker seemed to have his mind made up

from the get-go. :(

 

@ <%40> .com, peter VV

<swpgh01 wrote:

>

>

> Monkeys, Rats and Me: Animal Testing Mon 27 Nov, 9:00 pm - 10:20

pm 80mins

> Can killing animals to save humans ever be justified? That's the

question at the heart of the biggest battle in the history of animal

rights - the campaign to stop Oxford University building an £18m new

animal lab.

>

> As the demonstrations turn violent, film maker Adam Wishart has a

ringside seat at the conflict. Out on the marches and talking to the

scientists, Adam asks if vivisection actually works, and, if it does,

can it be justified?

>

> Given unique access to the animal labs, this film shows you what

actually happens to the rats and monkeys as researchers explore the

workings of their brains. And we follow the story of Sean Gardiner,

one young boy whose life could be transformed by animal research.

Strong language and upsetting scenes.

>

>

>

>

> Peter H

>

>

>

>

> Try the all-new Mail . " The New Version is radically easier

to use " – The Wall Street Journal

>

>

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