Guest guest Posted November 27, 2006 Report Share Posted November 27, 2006 Monkeys, Rats and Me: Animal Testing Mon 27 Nov, 9:00 pm - 10:20 pm 80mins Can killing animals to save humans ever be justified? That's the question at the heart of the biggest battle in the history of animal rights - the campaign to stop Oxford University building an £18m new animal lab. As the demonstrations turn violent, film maker Adam Wishart has a ringside seat at the conflict. Out on the marches and talking to the scientists, Adam asks if vivisection actually works, and, if it does, can it be justified? Given unique access to the animal labs, this film shows you what actually happens to the rats and monkeys as researchers explore the workings of their brains. And we follow the story of Sean Gardiner, one young boy whose life could be transformed by animal research. Strong language and upsetting scenes. Peter H Try the all-new Mail . " The New Version is radically easier to use " – The Wall Street Journal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 28, 2006 Report Share Posted November 28, 2006 Did anyone see this? My partner and I were quite disappointed. Not once, but twice did the scientists make the statement that " all medical advances " (or all " significant " advances, said one) were the results of animal experiments. What crap. They also said that testing of animals on cosmetics is no longer done..patently not true. Despite his testament otherwise, the filmmaker seemed to have his mind made up from the get-go. , peter VV <swpgh01 wrote: > > > Monkeys, Rats and Me: Animal Testing Mon 27 Nov, 9:00 pm - 10:20 pm 80mins > Can killing animals to save humans ever be justified? That's the question at the heart of the biggest battle in the history of animal rights - the campaign to stop Oxford University building an £18m new animal lab. > > As the demonstrations turn violent, film maker Adam Wishart has a ringside seat at the conflict. Out on the marches and talking to the scientists, Adam asks if vivisection actually works, and, if it does, can it be justified? > > Given unique access to the animal labs, this film shows you what actually happens to the rats and monkeys as researchers explore the workings of their brains. And we follow the story of Sean Gardiner, one young boy whose life could be transformed by animal research. Strong language and upsetting scenes. > > > > > Peter H > > > > > Try the all-new Mail . " The New Version is radically easier to use " – The Wall Street Journal > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 28, 2006 Report Share Posted November 28, 2006 Yes, there was so much wrong, I don’t really know where to start. But happy to voice a few opinions. Peter Singer was very easily swayed that under his utilitarian viewpoint Tipu Aziz’ experiments were justifiable. I have never trusted Peter Singer, he is not truly for animal rights, he is a utilitarian philosopher who happens to find most animal exploitation to be not utilitarian, and besides utilitarians can find a way to justify just about anything. Even I was shocked at him putting up no argument at all against Aziz. I would like to have seen the film-maker getting in some scientific experts to speak on why vivisection is flawed science and does not help people. They could have wiped the floor with the likes of Aziz. They could also have got in some of the more up to date true AR advocate philosophers and writers such as Steven Best, or Joan Dunayer to present really what animal rights is really about. The AR movement has long ago moved on from Singer, the thinking is becoming more consistent, and evidently Singer has not taken on board how unreliable vivisection is, or he would be arguing against Aziz on species differences. The beeb probably know all that but maybe it was not in their interests if they support vivisection to present a true picture of animal rights and anti-vivisection movements. The only comfort for me, I know this is nasty to say, but it is the fact that Tipu Aziz smokes like a chimney so will probably not live too long, but then he probably believes the rubbish from the smokers’ rights people (check out FORCES if you want to know more) about smoking protecting against Parkinson’s disease, and probably also believes animal experiments that did not show what we all know that smoking causes lung cancer. Because we all know he would rather believe animal experiments than epidemiological studies on humans, so he must believe the good outweighs the harm. I say let him keep thinking that, it’s his funeral. What a moron. I just hope the scenes of the rats and monkeys made a lot of people think it was not justified, it was upsetting but I’m glad they showed it. We also wondered if Sean, the boy who was being operated on, actually knew who Tipu Aziz was? Sean was anti-vivisection, called it sick, so I wonder how he would feel about who operated on him once he knew what he does to monkeys? Lesley _____ On Behalf Of nejmai 28 November 2006 09:28 Re: Watch this tonight BBC2 at 9 oclock Did anyone see this? My partner and I were quite disappointed. Not once, but twice did the scientists make the statement that " all medical advances " (or all " significant " advances, said one) were the results of animal experiments. What crap. They also said that testing of animals on cosmetics is no longer done..patently not true. Despite his testament otherwise, the filmmaker seemed to have his mind made up from the get-go. @ <%40> .com, peter VV <swpgh01 wrote: > > > Monkeys, Rats and Me: Animal Testing Mon 27 Nov, 9:00 pm - 10:20 pm 80mins > Can killing animals to save humans ever be justified? That's the question at the heart of the biggest battle in the history of animal rights - the campaign to stop Oxford University building an £18m new animal lab. > > As the demonstrations turn violent, film maker Adam Wishart has a ringside seat at the conflict. Out on the marches and talking to the scientists, Adam asks if vivisection actually works, and, if it does, can it be justified? > > Given unique access to the animal labs, this film shows you what actually happens to the rats and monkeys as researchers explore the workings of their brains. And we follow the story of Sean Gardiner, one young boy whose life could be transformed by animal research. Strong language and upsetting scenes. > > > > > Peter H > > > > > Try the all-new Mail . " The New Version is radically easier to use " – The Wall Street Journal > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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