Guest guest Posted June 16, 2001 Report Share Posted June 16, 2001 Hello Mike and Ann My name is Socorro and if you are the same Mike and Ann who went to the Earth Save potluck I met you there. I'm also interested in the Natural Hygiene course you mentioned. There is another one out of Manitoba Canada from Fit for Life. It's basically the same program, but the topics aren't in the same order. It may be some what less expensive to take the one from Fit for Life, but they send you the whole course at once and the total price is just over $1400.00. They also have a deal that the spouse can take the course at a reduced rate. In fact it may be possible for you both to take it for the price of one. There is another raw foodist in our group who is taking the course from Fit for Life along with his daughter and he paid only the $1400.00 + for the both of them. The Dean of the Tranformationist School is going to be in Portland for the Raw Festival. I'm planning on talking to him there before I make up my mind on which of these two schools to pick. There may be other people here interested on this course, and I've been thinking on forming a study group if enough people sign up and are interested on meeting to discuss the various topics. If youre interested in a group such as this, let me know. See you around I hope. Socorro smaia --- mike_pierce > wrote: >My wife and i are interested in educating ourselves and possibly even >making a career out of health. (raw food, natural hygiene ect...) We >have considered taking the natural hygiene course with The School of >Natural Hygiene. http://www.transformationinst.com/ They are not >accredited but they teach what we want to learn and they are >affordable. We can both take the classes without paying quite as >much money. The other college is Clayton College of Natural Health. >http://www.ccnh.edu/ This is holistic health not focused on raw >food. It is accredited. It costs more (my wifes dad would pay for >her tutition) Although I would probably not do it with her because >of the money and I want to get a degree in something that will have >stability (information systems) So, I just wanted to ask all of you >your opinion on either of these schools. If we went through natural >hygiene we would more then likely do the proffesional program. The >other possibility is a holistic type of health at a regular school in >washington or oregon. I don't see that as likely. Anyway, if you >know any other schools or have any advice, opions, experience ect.. >would be appreciated. I don't know how important accredidation is? >Thanks >Mike and Anne > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 17, 2001 Report Share Posted June 17, 2001 Hi i also want to take a course and am in the same boat not sure where to go for the schooling ... I would be very interested in linking up with others. in this endeavor cheer's Brenda - Socorro Maia <smaia <RawSeattle > Saturday, June 16, 2001 2:58 PM Re: [RawSeattle] schools > Hello Mike and Ann > > My name is Socorro and if you are the same Mike and Ann who went to the Earth Save potluck I met you there. I'm also interested in the Natural Hygiene course you mentioned. There is another one out of Manitoba Canada from Fit for Life. It's basically the same program, but the topics aren't in the same order. It may be some what less expensive to take the one from Fit for Life, but they send you the whole course at once and the total price is just over $1400.00. They also have a deal that the spouse can take the course at a reduced rate. In fact it may be possible for you both to take it for the price of one. There is another raw foodist in our group who is taking the course from Fit for Life along with his daughter and he paid only the $1400.00 + for the both of them. > > The Dean of the Tranformationist School is going to be in Portland for the Raw Festival. I'm planning on talking to him there before I make up my mind on which of these two schools to pick. There may be other people here interested on this course, and I've been thinking on forming a study group if enough people sign up and are interested on meeting to discuss the various topics. If youre interested in a group such as this, let me know. > > See you around I hope. > Socorro > smaia > > > > --- mike_pierce > > wrote: > >My wife and i are interested in educating ourselves and possibly even > >making a career out of health. (raw food, natural hygiene ect...) We > >have considered taking the natural hygiene course with The School of > >Natural Hygiene. http://www.transformationinst.com/ They are not > >accredited but they teach what we want to learn and they are > >affordable. We can both take the classes without paying quite as > >much money. The other college is Clayton College of Natural Health. > >http://www.ccnh.edu/ This is holistic health not focused on raw > >food. It is accredited. It costs more (my wifes dad would pay for > >her tutition) Although I would probably not do it with her because > >of the money and I want to get a degree in something that will have > >stability (information systems) So, I just wanted to ask all of you > >your opinion on either of these schools. If we went through natural > >hygiene we would more then likely do the proffesional program. The > >other possibility is a holistic type of health at a regular school in > >washington or oregon. I don't see that as likely. Anyway, if you > >know any other schools or have any advice, opions, experience ect.. > >would be appreciated. I don't know how important accredidation is? > >Thanks > >Mike and Anne > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 18, 2001 Report Share Posted June 18, 2001 I would love to have a study group if we take the course. I will look up this other one you mentioned and see how it compares. Mike RawSeattle, Socorro Maia <smaia@r...> wrote: > Hello Mike and Ann > > My name is Socorro and if you are the same Mike and Ann who went to the Earth Save potluck I met you there. I'm also interested in the Natural Hygiene course you mentioned. There is another one out of Manitoba Canada from Fit for Life. It's basically the same program, but the topics aren't in the same order. It may be some what less expensive to take the one from Fit for Life, but they send you the whole course at once and the total price is just over $1400.00. They also have a deal that the spouse can take the course at a reduced rate. In fact it may be possible for you both to take it for the price of one. There is another raw foodist in our group who is taking the course from Fit for Life along with his daughter and he paid only the $1400.00 + for the both of them. > > The Dean of the Tranformationist School is going to be in Portland for the Raw Festival. I'm planning on talking to him there before I make up my mind on which of these two schools to pick. There may be other people here interested on this course, and I've been thinking on forming a study group if enough people sign up and are interested on meeting to discuss the various topics. If youre interested in a group such as this, let me know. > > See you around I hope. > Socorro > smaia@r... > > > > --- mike_pierce@z... > > wrote: > >My wife and i are interested in educating ourselves and possibly even > >making a career out of health. (raw food, natural hygiene ect...) We > >have considered taking the natural hygiene course with The School of > >Natural Hygiene. http://www.transformationinst.com/ They are not > >accredited but they teach what we want to learn and they are > >affordable. We can both take the classes without paying quite as > >much money. The other college is Clayton College of Natural Health. > >http://www.ccnh.edu/ This is holistic health not focused on raw > >food. It is accredited. It costs more (my wifes dad would pay for > >her tutition) Although I would probably not do it with her because > >of the money and I want to get a degree in something that will have > >stability (information systems) So, I just wanted to ask all of you > >your opinion on either of these schools. If we went through natural > >hygiene we would more then likely do the proffesional program. The > >other possibility is a holistic type of health at a regular school in > >washington or oregon. I don't see that as likely. Anyway, if you > >know any other schools or have any advice, opions, experience ect.. > >would be appreciated. I don't know how important accredidation is? > >Thanks > >Mike and Anne > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 22, 2001 Report Share Posted June 22, 2001 Dear Mike, I went to school in Wa with a Mike Pierce, in Arlington; anyways, I've been through all this school stuff and I almost signed up with Clayton, but didn't, (I also looked into Australasian in Oregon). I've been studying health and diet and all things natural for four years and have wanted to have a health career, too, so I wanted to find some accredited schooling to help, but I found nothing that satisfied, felt right, covered the latest (raw food) in health and healing, it just seemed I'd be learning things I already knew or didn't even agree with. I've decided that I will do the Natural Hygenist program, and read all the raw books I can get my hands on, and continue my self education while enrolling in a one weekend a month college program to finish my degree in (maybe) creative writing minor in art with a teacher's certificate and let things happen as they do. I'm not sure what I'll end up doing, but I'm trusting the process. I would like to spend a year at Summerhill " Free " School in England and also spend some years at Breitenbush in Oregon, teaching and counseling on wild plants, nutrition, art, etc. and working in the kitchen. I would like to be a real mover and shaker in the raw foods movement and all I need will come to me, so I've stopped searching so hard for a program that has it all, and have decided to do what works best, and that is to create it! I wish you so much luck and patience, don't jump on anything...sleep and eat on it! Trust yourself to know. Love Lexi Scott ----Original Message Follows---- mike_pierce RawSeattle RawSeattle [RawSeattle] schools Sat, 16 Jun 2001 21:01:16 -0000 My wife and i are interested in educating ourselves and possibly even making a career out of health. (raw food, natural hygiene ect...) We have considered taking the natural hygiene course with The School of Natural Hygiene. http://www.transformationinst.com/ They are not accredited but they teach what we want to learn and they are affordable. We can both take the classes without paying quite as much money. The other college is Clayton College of Natural Health. http://www.ccnh.edu/ This is holistic health not focused on raw food. It is accredited. It costs more (my wifes dad would pay for her tutition) Although I would probably not do it with her because of the money and I want to get a degree in something that will have stability (information systems) So, I just wanted to ask all of you your opinion on either of these schools. If we went through natural hygiene we would more then likely do the proffesional program. The other possibility is a holistic type of health at a regular school in washington or oregon. I don't see that as likely. Anyway, if you know any other schools or have any advice, opions, experience ect.. would be appreciated. I don't know how important accredidation is? Thanks Mike and Anne _______________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 24, 2001 Report Share Posted June 24, 2001 Thats great , that is what I am going though. I have considered fit for life which is just like natural hygiene. They say they are trying to get a batchelors and masters. They have a program where you can start a franchise? I am also going to finish a regular degree online or something. But I like you want to be a mover and a shaker in the raw food movement. I am just begining but I am stoked about the whole thing. I went down to portland for the festival but didn't know it cost to much and since my wife and I are still looking for jobs we couldn't really afford it. Anyway we saw some waterfalls instead. I guess I don't need to be in a hurry on that issue but when I read about the school and think about a career a get all ansy. thanx for the imput. I will see you at a support group? MIke In RawSeattle, " Lexi Scott " <lexi_artist@h...> wrote: > > Dear Mike, > > I went to school in Wa with a Mike Pierce, in Arlington; anyways, I've been > through all this school stuff and I almost signed up with Clayton, but > didn't, (I also looked into Australasian in Oregon). > I've been studying health and diet and all things natural for four years and > have wanted to have a health career, too, so I wanted to find some > accredited schooling to help, but I found nothing that satisfied, felt > right, covered the latest (raw food) in health and healing, it just seemed > I'd be learning things I already knew or didn't even agree with. I've > decided that I will do the Natural Hygenist program, and read all the raw > books I can get my hands on, and continue my self education while enrolling > in a one weekend a month college program to finish my degree in (maybe) > creative writing minor in art with a teacher's certificate and let things > happen as they do. I'm not sure what I'll end up doing, but I'm trusting the > process. > I would like to spend a year at Summerhill " Free " School in England and also > spend some years at Breitenbush in Oregon, teaching and counseling on wild > plants, nutrition, art, etc. and working in the kitchen. I would like to be > a real mover and shaker in the raw foods movement and all I need will come > to me, so I've stopped searching so hard for a program that has it all, and > have decided to do what works best, and that is to create it! > I wish you so much luck and patience, don't jump on anything...sleep and eat > on it! Trust yourself to know. > Love Lexi Scott > > ----Original Message Follows---- > mike_pierce@z... > RawSeattle > RawSeattle > [RawSeattle] schools > Sat, 16 Jun 2001 21:01:16 -0000 > > My wife and i are interested in educating ourselves and possibly even > making a career out of health. (raw food, natural hygiene ect...) We > have considered taking the natural hygiene course with The School of > Natural Hygiene. http://www.transformationinst.com/ They are not > accredited but they teach what we want to learn and they are > affordable. We can both take the classes without paying quite as > much money. The other college is Clayton College of Natural Health. > http://www.ccnh.edu/ This is holistic health not focused on raw > food. It is accredited. It costs more (my wifes dad would pay for > her tutition) Although I would probably not do it with her because > of the money and I want to get a degree in something that will have > stability (information systems) So, I just wanted to ask all of you > your opinion on either of these schools. If we went through natural > hygiene we would more then likely do the proffesional program. The > other possibility is a holistic type of health at a regular school in > washington or oregon. I don't see that as likely. Anyway, if you > know any other schools or have any advice, opions, experience ect.. > would be appreciated. I don't know how important accredidation is? > Thanks > Mike and Anne > > > _______________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 15, 2006 Report Share Posted December 15, 2006 Things seems to be getting quiet again, so I thought I'd show you all the letter I sent to my lad's primary school headteacher. Basically, I'm getting a bit peed off that, because they don't bother to provide for vegans, he's gonna be the odd one out again at their Christmas party next week... --\ --------- Dear Mrs Palk, I thought I'd send you an email to let you know my disappointment with how the school is providing for vegans. As you know, my son Joey is vegan. And due somewhat to how the school caters for him, it is now at the point where other children are beginning to mock him about this. I find it particularly frustrating when at times like the forthcoming Christmas party, the catering is done seemingly without any thought to special diets. I was of the understanding that the school was supposed to encourage compassion. It would seem my son is the only child in the school who exercises such compassion at mealtimes, yet he is also the one who often ends up standing out or going without. I understand that your catering supplies are bought in bulk, but it would be just as easy to buy any of the many vegan products on the market that can be shared and enjoyed by everyone, rather than resorting to unhealthier products such as Fruit Shoots and the like. There are a number of local stores that sell a wide range of drinks, biscuits, crisps and other snacks that can be enjoyed by everyone, and it would be nice to see the school provide such food and drink, so children such as Joey don't end up having to pay a penalty for being compassionate. Yours sincerely, James Hodgskiss --\ --------- Reflections please! Cheers, James Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 15, 2006 Report Share Posted December 15, 2006 James, Nice e-mail. I think it best if you approach the local authorities/council on this and ask them what their policy is on catering for special dietry needs. When they reply ( as probably required by law ) that they do everything they can, point out the defeciency in your particular school, and your approach to the headmistress. Good Luck. The Valley Vegan................... James H <james wrote: Things seems to be getting quiet again, so I thought I'd show you all the letter I sent to my lad's primary school headteacher. Basically, I'm getting a bit peed off that, because they don't bother to provide for vegans, he's gonna be the odd one out again at their Christmas party next week... ------------------------- Dear Mrs Palk, I thought I'd send you an email to let you know my disappointment with how the school is providing for vegans. As you know, my son Joey is vegan. And due somewhat to how the school caters for him, it is now at the point where other children are beginning to mock him about this. I find it particularly frustrating when at times like the forthcoming Christmas party, the catering is done seemingly without any thought to special diets. I was of the understanding that the school was supposed to encourage compassion. It would seem my son is the only child in the school who exercises such compassion at mealtimes, yet he is also the one who often ends up standing out or going without. I understand that your catering supplies are bought in bulk, but it would be just as easy to buy any of the many vegan products on the market that can be shared and enjoyed by everyone, rather than resorting to unhealthier products such as Fruit Shoots and the like. There are a number of local stores that sell a wide range of drinks, biscuits, crisps and other snacks that can be enjoyed by everyone, and it would be nice to see the school provide such food and drink, so children such as Joey don't end up having to pay a penalty for being compassionate. Yours sincerely, James Hodgskiss ------------------------- Reflections please! Cheers, James Peter H All new Mail " The new Interface is stunning in its simplicity and ease of use. " - PC Magazine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 15, 2006 Report Share Posted December 15, 2006 My son starts school in January, so I hope its not going to be a problem,- thats a good letter,- I'm sorry to hear about the bullying,- has anybody else experienced this kind of descrimination? (I don't have much email access at the moment as I'm on holiday in the Carribean)- sorry for the rushed email! Jo >-- Original Message -- > >James H <james >Fri, 15 Dec 2006 10:19:51 +0000 > Schools > > > >Things seems to be getting quiet again, so I thought I'd show you all >the letter I sent to my lad's primary school headteacher. > >Basically, I'm getting a bit peed off that, because they don't bother to > >provide for vegans, he's gonna be the odd one out again at their >Christmas party next week... > >-\ ---------- > >Dear Mrs Palk, > >I thought I'd send you an email to let you know my disappointment with >how the school is providing for vegans. > >As you know, my son Joey is vegan. And due somewhat to how the school >caters for him, it is now at the point where other children are >beginning to mock him about this. > >I find it particularly frustrating when at times like the forthcoming >Christmas party, the catering is done seemingly without any thought to >special diets. > >I was of the understanding that the school was supposed to encourage >compassion. It would seem my son is the only child in the school who >exercises such compassion at mealtimes, yet he is also the one who often > >ends up standing out or going without. > >I understand that your catering supplies are bought in bulk, but it >would be just as easy to buy any of the many vegan products on the >market that can be shared and enjoyed by everyone, rather than resorting > >to unhealthier products such as Fruit Shoots and the like. > >There are a number of local stores that sell a wide range of drinks, >biscuits, crisps and other snacks that can be enjoyed by everyone, and >it would be nice to see the school provide such food and drink, so >children such as Joey don't end up having to pay a penalty for being >compassionate. > > >Yours sincerely, > >James Hodgskiss > > >-\ ---------- > >Reflections please! > >Cheers, >James _________ Tiscali Broadband from 14.99 with free setup! http://www.tiscali.co.uk/products/broadband/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 15, 2006 Report Share Posted December 15, 2006 Hi Jo, How do you get away on holiday to the Caribbean with three under 5s??? Are you superwoman or do you have loads of help?? Hope you are having a great time! Insanely jealous as ever, Lesley On Behalf Of Jo Kimberley 15 December 2006 20:22 RE: Schools My son starts school in January, so I hope its not going to be a problem,- thats a good letter,- I'm sorry to hear about the bullying,- has anybody else experienced this kind of descrimination? (I don't have much email access at the moment as I'm on holiday in the Carribean)- sorry for the rushed email! Jo >-- Original Message -- > >James H <james >Fri, 15 Dec 2006 10:19:51 +0000 > Schools > > > >Things seems to be getting quiet again, so I thought I'd show you all >the letter I sent to my lad's primary school headteacher. > >Basically, I'm getting a bit peed off that, because they don't bother to > >provide for vegans, he's gonna be the odd one out again at their >Christmas party next week... > >--------- -------------- > >Dear Mrs Palk, > >I thought I'd send you an email to let you know my disappointment with >how the school is providing for vegans. > >As you know, my son Joey is vegan. And due somewhat to how the school >caters for him, it is now at the point where other children are >beginning to mock him about this. > >I find it particularly frustrating when at times like the forthcoming >Christmas party, the catering is done seemingly without any thought to >special diets. > >I was of the understanding that the school was supposed to encourage >compassion. It would seem my son is the only child in the school who >exercises such compassion at mealtimes, yet he is also the one who often > >ends up standing out or going without. > >I understand that your catering supplies are bought in bulk, but it >would be just as easy to buy any of the many vegan products on the >market that can be shared and enjoyed by everyone, rather than resorting > >to unhealthier products such as Fruit Shoots and the like. > >There are a number of local stores that sell a wide range of drinks, >biscuits, crisps and other snacks that can be enjoyed by everyone, and >it would be nice to see the school provide such food and drink, so >children such as Joey don't end up having to pay a penalty for being >compassionate. > > >Yours sincerely, > >James Hodgskiss > > >--------- -------------- > >Reflections please! > >Cheers, >James _________ Tiscali Broadband from 14.99 with free setup! http://www.tiscali.co.uk/products/broadband/ ~~ info ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Please remember that the above is only the opinion of the author, there may be another side to the story you have not heard. --------------------------- Was this message Off Topic? Did you know? Was it snipped? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Guidelines: visit <site temporarily offline> Un: send a blank message to - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 15, 2006 Report Share Posted December 15, 2006 We just also quite regularly have to send food in and make more effort than everyone else when it comes to special events at the schools. It's kind of par for the course for vegan families, and it should not be this way, I totally agree we should be catered for equally. Our eldest is 13 so we have gone through these running battles for several years now, it has not got much better even with my 3rd child who is now 5, well not really any better in all that time I am sad to say. My kids have Christmas parties next week and as usual I will just send in a bit of everything I can think of that they like so they do not miss out. Sometimes they do cookery and I have again had to send in stuff even though we have paid towards it the same as the other parents, so I have suggested they should have such alternatives as vegan margarine as the default instead of butter and soya milk which is popular with many omnis (I've seen lots of ppl buying it in the supermarket even though they are also buying animal products). We shall see if they take any notice. I think cost is a factor and they buy the cheapest ingredients as a rule. My kids do not get bullied for us being vegan, although my son gets bullied, it is not related to veganism. He has Aspergers and has annoying habits such as going on and on about Sonic the Hedgehog which he is totally obsessed with. My 10 year old daughter said some of the kids at her school do not really understand what vegan means, she gets asked sometimes. There is still a shocking amount of ignorance but none of them are nasty to her for it. My husband went veggie in his early teens and said he was bullied at school for it, some kids grabbed him and held him down and rubbed a piece of leather against his face. Bizarre! He thinks he was probably more bullied for being a sci-fi nerd than for being veggie. Well done James for standing up for vegan rights in the school. Please do let us know what Mrs Palk has to say for herself. I have certainly been trying to raise awareness among the parents association and ensure more vegan food at events such as school fetes, that kind of thing. Lesley _____ On Behalf Of James H 15 December 2006 10:20 Schools Things seems to be getting quiet again, so I thought I'd show you all the letter I sent to my lad's primary school headteacher. Basically, I'm getting a bit peed off that, because they don't bother to provide for vegans, he's gonna be the odd one out again at their Christmas party next week... ------------------------- Dear Mrs Palk, I thought I'd send you an email to let you know my disappointment with how the school is providing for vegans. As you know, my son Joey is vegan. And due somewhat to how the school caters for him, it is now at the point where other children are beginning to mock him about this. I find it particularly frustrating when at times like the forthcoming Christmas party, the catering is done seemingly without any thought to special diets. I was of the understanding that the school was supposed to encourage compassion. It would seem my son is the only child in the school who exercises such compassion at mealtimes, yet he is also the one who often ends up standing out or going without. I understand that your catering supplies are bought in bulk, but it would be just as easy to buy any of the many vegan products on the market that can be shared and enjoyed by everyone, rather than resorting to unhealthier products such as Fruit Shoots and the like. There are a number of local stores that sell a wide range of drinks, biscuits, crisps and other snacks that can be enjoyed by everyone, and it would be nice to see the school provide such food and drink, so children such as Joey don't end up having to pay a penalty for being compassionate. Yours sincerely, James Hodgskiss ------------------------- Reflections please! Cheers, James Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 15, 2006 Report Share Posted December 15, 2006 It's not so much bullying, but it's just his mates kind of singling him and having a go at him. It's the same friends that come round to our house and get sausage, beans, chips, waffles, jelly, ice cream, etc. for dinner (and enjoy it). They mock Joey for being vegan and for 'coming from a vegan family' (even though it's only me and him), but I don't think they really know what vegan means. There may be more to do with it - I think he's the toughest in the class and quite popular, so maybe it's their opportunity to bring him down a peg or two... I've told Joey that if he's mocked again, then he should explain to them that he doesn't think it's fair that animals should die to make food when they don't really have to. I also tell him to remind them who's the toughest in the class and that that's because he eats food that makes him strong (by the way, we don't eat waffles and jelly *all* the time!...). I know that's a bit more controversial, but I imagine it's quite an argument-winner for 6/7 year olds. Yes, it will be interesting to see what the council say. They're all up for healthy eating, and veganism is fitting in more and more with that as time goes on, so it would be interesting to hear what they have to say. (I'll wait for Mrs Palk's reply first.) There's so much ignorance about, and I'm sure a lot of people will frown on the fact that I have 'pushed' veganism on my son. But if you ask any kid who sees a calf in the field, " Shall we kill it so we can have a milkshake? " how many of them would say yes, and how many would give the vegan answer? Anyway... I'll let you know what I hear back... Cheers, James Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 15, 2006 Report Share Posted December 15, 2006 We have been very well catered for in comparison to many vegans. This week my eldest sons cub group bought him a bar of vegan chocolate (complete with vegan society logo) so he could take part in a game with the others! Was a lovely surprise! And my little boy's class teacher bought a bar of green and blacks vegan chocolate and Kellogg's rice krispies (rather than unknown cheaper brand) so that my son could do cookery with the others. I did supply all three of my children with a little plate of food for the Christmas party, but I don't mind. I know that it is unreasonable to ask all parents to supply vegan food, and the food is supplied by parents for these parties. I also sent in a tub of 30 homemade chocolate and coconut muffins to each class, so that they can all try the vegan food and see that it's normal! I do supply my youngest sons class with 1L of soya milk a week for him, but am pretty sure the school would be open to supplying it if I asked. As for lunchtimes, my 3 take a packed lunch. The school have said they are willing to do vegan meals, but we couldn't really afford to have 3 kids on school dinners anyway! (off topic) I find lots of parents willing to try and cater for my children at parties and have even had a few parents ask me for a recipe and made their child a vegan birthday cake, so mine could have some too! We have had a bad incident years ago, where my daughter was sat on a table on her own for snack in pre-school as she ate vegan food. Luckily all ironed out now, and I even volunteer at the pre-school - so all forgiven. They also say they learnt a lot from us. (Had all 3 kids go there now) Kerry - James H Friday, December 15, 2006 10:19 AM Schools Things seems to be getting quiet again, so I thought I'd show you all the letter I sent to my lad's primary school headteacher. Basically, I'm getting a bit peed off that, because they don't bother to provide for vegans, he's gonna be the odd one out again at their Christmas party next week... ------------------------- Dear Mrs Palk, I thought I'd send you an email to let you know my disappointment with how the school is providing for vegans. As you know, my son Joey is vegan. And due somewhat to how the school caters for him, it is now at the point where other children are beginning to mock him about this. I find it particularly frustrating when at times like the forthcoming Christmas party, the catering is done seemingly without any thought to special diets. I was of the understanding that the school was supposed to encourage compassion. It would seem my son is the only child in the school who exercises such compassion at mealtimes, yet he is also the one who often ends up standing out or going without. I understand that your catering supplies are bought in bulk, but it would be just as easy to buy any of the many vegan products on the market that can be shared and enjoyed by everyone, rather than resorting to unhealthier products such as Fruit Shoots and the like. There are a number of local stores that sell a wide range of drinks, biscuits, crisps and other snacks that can be enjoyed by everyone, and it would be nice to see the school provide such food and drink, so children such as Joey don't end up having to pay a penalty for being compassionate. Yours sincerely, James Hodgskiss ------------------------- Reflections please! Cheers, James Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 16, 2006 Report Share Posted December 16, 2006 Hi Lesley, I'm only here with my youngest,- the other 2 are at home with their dad. I'm having a good time, Barbados is a lovely Island, but it gets a bit too hot during the daytime. The food here is pretty good for vegans although most of the Bajans don't understand what a vegan is and think that we eat fish! But I've been eating a lot of local specialities like plaintain, sweet potato pie, beans and rice, coconut bread,and my favourite which is Green banana fried with onions an herbs. I've also found a variety of " milks " in the supermarkets, Vitasoy, vanilla flavour with calcium and vitamins and an Almond milk by Blue Diamond with added calcium and vits( I think they're American companies). Of course there are lots of meat eaters here and I was the only Vegan at this BBQ I went to on the beach,-and it was pretty disgusting watching them eat there fried chicken and fish! I'm going home tomorrow, Jo >-- Original Message -- > > " Lesley Dove " <Lesley >Fri, 15 Dec 2006 20:36:54 -0000 >RE: Schools > > > > >Hi Jo, > >How do you get away on holiday to the Caribbean with three under 5s??? > >Are you superwoman or do you have loads of help?? > >Hope you are having a great time! > >Insanely jealous as ever, Lesley > > > > > On Behalf >Of >Jo Kimberley >15 December 2006 20:22 > >RE: Schools > >My son starts school in January, so I hope its not going to be a problem,- >thats a good letter,- >I'm sorry to hear about the bullying,- has anybody else experienced this >kind of descrimination? >(I don't have much email access at the moment as I'm on holiday in the >Carribean)- > >sorry for the rushed email! > >Jo > > > >>-- Original Message -- >> >>James H <james >>Fri, 15 Dec 2006 10:19:51 +0000 >> Schools >> >> >> >>Things seems to be getting quiet again, so I thought I'd show you all >>the letter I sent to my lad's primary school headteacher. >> >>Basically, I'm getting a bit peed off that, because they don't bother to >> >>provide for vegans, he's gonna be the odd one out again at their >>Christmas party next week... >> >>--------- >-------------- >> >>Dear Mrs Palk, >> >>I thought I'd send you an email to let you know my disappointment with >>how the school is providing for vegans. >> >>As you know, my son Joey is vegan. And due somewhat to how the school >>caters for him, it is now at the point where other children are >>beginning to mock him about this. >> >>I find it particularly frustrating when at times like the forthcoming >>Christmas party, the catering is done seemingly without any thought to >>special diets. >> >>I was of the understanding that the school was supposed to encourage >>compassion. It would seem my son is the only child in the school who >>exercises such compassion at mealtimes, yet he is also the one who often >> >>ends up standing out or going without. >> >>I understand that your catering supplies are bought in bulk, but it >>would be just as easy to buy any of the many vegan products on the >>market that can be shared and enjoyed by everyone, rather than resorting >> >>to unhealthier products such as Fruit Shoots and the like. >> >>There are a number of local stores that sell a wide range of drinks, >>biscuits, crisps and other snacks that can be enjoyed by everyone, and >>it would be nice to see the school provide such food and drink, so >>children such as Joey don't end up having to pay a penalty for being >>compassionate. >> >> >>Yours sincerely, >> >>James Hodgskiss >> >> >>--------- >-------------- >> >>Reflections please! >> >>Cheers, >>James > > >_________ > >Tiscali Broadband from 14.99 with free setup! >http://www.tiscali.co.uk/products/broadband/ > > > > >~~ info ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >Please remember that the above is only the opinion of the author, >there may be another side to the story you have not heard. >--------------------------- >Was this message Off Topic? Did you know? Was it snipped? >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >Guidelines: visit <site temporarily offline> >Un: send a blank message to - > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 16, 2006 Report Share Posted December 16, 2006 It really makes me angry how much they are pushing milk in nurserys and schools. I got a letter the other day, asking if we wanted my son to have milk next term (as we always do each term). -and then it said " We have been advised by the European union or something to tell you that cows milk is very good for your health " ! I was really annoyed by this blatent propaganda from the Dairy Indusrty and was going to write to the school about it , but I thought , whats the point?! as my son will be going to a different school in January , but probably with the same pro- cows milk agenda, Grrrr. Jo >-- Original Message -- > >James H <james >Fri, 15 Dec 2006 23:14:07 +0000 >Re: Schools > > > >It's not so much bullying, but it's just his mates kind of singling him >and having a go at him. > >It's the same friends that come round to our house and get sausage, >beans, chips, waffles, jelly, ice cream, etc. for dinner (and enjoy it). > >They mock Joey for being vegan and for 'coming from a vegan family' >(even though it's only me and him), but I don't think they really know >what vegan means. There may be more to do with it - I think he's the >toughest in the class and quite popular, so maybe it's their opportunity > >to bring him down a peg or two... > >I've told Joey that if he's mocked again, then he should explain to them > >that he doesn't think it's fair that animals should die to make food >when they don't really have to. I also tell him to remind them who's the > >toughest in the class and that that's because he eats food that makes >him strong (by the way, we don't eat waffles and jelly *all* the >time!...). I know that's a bit more controversial, but I imagine it's >quite an argument-winner for 6/7 year olds. > > >Yes, it will be interesting to see what the council say. They're all up >for healthy eating, and veganism is fitting in more and more with that >as time goes on, so it would be interesting to hear what they have to >say. (I'll wait for Mrs Palk's reply first.) > > >There's so much ignorance about, and I'm sure a lot of people will frown > >on the fact that I have 'pushed' veganism on my son. But if you ask any >kid who sees a calf in the field, " Shall we kill it so we can have a >milkshake? " how many of them would say yes, and how many would give the >vegan answer? > >Anyway... I'll let you know what I hear back... > > >Cheers, >James > > >~~ info ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >Please remember that the above is only the opinion of the author, >there may be another side to the story you have not heard. >--------------------------- >Was this message Off Topic? Did you know? Was it snipped? >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >Guidelines: visit <site temporarily offline> >Un: send a blank message to - > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 17, 2006 Report Share Posted December 17, 2006 I totally agree, it is also downright offensive to our beliefs really when they know how we feel on the subject and they still automatically give these letters out to us. Did you ask them if they offer non-dairy alternatives for those who prefer it, for whatever reason, not only vegans but of course the many kids who are dairy intolerant? This is always a good point to make, the fact that this is not only about vegans but that there are so many others who have health reasons to prefer non-dairy. We did get soya milk for Lucy last year when she was in the nursery class, the school's dairy milk supplier actually did supply it, when we asked the school, we were pleasantly surprised we just asked and we got it just like that, no problem at all. The only reason we did not bother asking again this year now she is in reception as she was not all that keen on drinking straight soya milk and often left much of it last year anyway. I don't want to make a fuss for provision if she is not bothered, although the situation is not fair to dairy intolerant children either if the school do not make a point to offer an alternative. I think you should write, even if only to point out that they should not be so dairy biased and should always offer an alternatives. You won't be able to get them to stop pushing dairy milk, the vested interests are too great and most people believe the propaganda, but they might be persuaded to consider equality of provision for vegans and dairy-intolerant. Are there any parents with dairy-intolerant kids you know who would back you up at the school in asking for equal provision? This might help. It's very difficult being a lone voice. On the plus side they do have free fruit for infant school children (I think they do this at all schools, not sure what age it's up to but certainly they have it in nursery and reception class). Lesley On Behalf Of Jo Kimberley 16 December 2006 21:11 Re: Schools It really makes me angry how much they are pushing milk in nurserys and schools. I got a letter the other day, asking if we wanted my son to have milk next term (as we always do each term). -and then it said " We have been advised by the European union or something to tell you that cows milk is very good for your health " ! I was really annoyed by this blatent propaganda from the Dairy Indusrty and was going to write to the school about it , but I thought , whats the point?! as my son will be going to a different school in January , but probably with the same pro- cows milk agenda, Grrrr. Jo >-- Original Message -- > >James H <james >Fri, 15 Dec 2006 23:14:07 +0000 >Re: Schools > > > >It's not so much bullying, but it's just his mates kind of singling him >and having a go at him. > >It's the same friends that come round to our house and get sausage, >beans, chips, waffles, jelly, ice cream, etc. for dinner (and enjoy it). > >They mock Joey for being vegan and for 'coming from a vegan family' >(even though it's only me and him), but I don't think they really know >what vegan means. There may be more to do with it - I think he's the >toughest in the class and quite popular, so maybe it's their opportunity > >to bring him down a peg or two... > >I've told Joey that if he's mocked again, then he should explain to them > >that he doesn't think it's fair that animals should die to make food >when they don't really have to. I also tell him to remind them who's the > >toughest in the class and that that's because he eats food that makes >him strong (by the way, we don't eat waffles and jelly *all* the >time!...). I know that's a bit more controversial, but I imagine it's >quite an argument-winner for 6/7 year olds. > > >Yes, it will be interesting to see what the council say. They're all up >for healthy eating, and veganism is fitting in more and more with that >as time goes on, so it would be interesting to hear what they have to >say. (I'll wait for Mrs Palk's reply first.) > > >There's so much ignorance about, and I'm sure a lot of people will frown > >on the fact that I have 'pushed' veganism on my son. But if you ask any >kid who sees a calf in the field, " Shall we kill it so we can have a >milkshake? " how many of them would say yes, and how many would give the >vegan answer? > >Anyway... I'll let you know what I hear back... > > >Cheers, >James > > >~~ info ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >Please remember that the above is only the opinion of the author, >there may be another side to the story you have not heard. >--------------------------- >Was this message Off Topic? Did you know? Was it snipped? >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >Guidelines: visit <site temporarily offline> >Un: send a blank message to - > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 17, 2006 Report Share Posted December 17, 2006 You have to see this particular point from the school's perspective - if they are being told by the powers that be that milk is healthy for kids then who are they to reject that advice (or to take your word over their's)? I think the real problem is how the general consensus of dairy seems to lag so far behind the research. But I think you should write to the school though, because even though we can only make a small amount of noise, it does all accumulate over time and go towards making the difference in the long run... When I think how my son is the only vegan in his school, you can tell it's really early days. And you'd think he was the only vegan in Huddersfield when it comes to going to venues for parties and they have no idea what a " vaygen " is... BTW, they have an alternative to milk at our school - water! Lesley Dove wrote: > > > I totally agree, it is also downright offensive to our beliefs really when > they know how we feel on the subject and they still automatically give > these > letters out to us. > > Did you ask them if they offer non-dairy alternatives for those who prefer > it, for whatever reason, not only vegans but of course the many kids > who are > dairy intolerant? This is always a good point to make, the fact that > this is > not only about vegans but that there are so many others who have health > reasons to prefer non-dairy. > > We did get soya milk for Lucy last year when she was in the nursery class, > the school's dairy milk supplier actually did supply it, when we asked the > school, we were pleasantly surprised we just asked and we got it just like > that, no problem at all. The only reason we did not bother asking > again this > year now she is in reception as she was not all that keen on drinking > straight soya milk and often left much of it last year anyway. I don't > want > to make a fuss for provision if she is not bothered, although the > situation > is not fair to dairy intolerant children either if the school do not > make a > point to offer an alternative. > > I think you should write, even if only to point out that they should > not be > so dairy biased and should always offer an alternatives. You won't be able > to get them to stop pushing dairy milk, the vested interests are too great > and most people believe the propaganda, but they might be persuaded to > consider equality of provision for vegans and dairy-intolerant. > > Are there any parents with dairy-intolerant kids you know who would > back you > up at the school in asking for equal provision? This might help. It's very > difficult being a lone voice. > > On the plus side they do have free fruit for infant school children (I > think > they do this at all schools, not sure what age it's up to but > certainly they > have it in nursery and reception class). > > Lesley > > > <%40> > [ <%40>] On > Behalf Of > Jo Kimberley > 16 December 2006 21:11 > <%40> > Re: Schools > > It really makes me angry how much they are pushing milk in nurserys and > schools. > I got a letter the other day, asking if we wanted my son to have milk next > term > (as we always do each term). -and then it said " We have been advised > by the > European union or something to tell you that cows milk is very good > for your > health " ! > I was really annoyed by this blatent propaganda from the Dairy > Indusrty and > was going to write to the school about it , but I thought , whats the > point?! > as my son will be going to a different school in January , but > probably with > the same pro- cows milk agenda, Grrrr. > > Jo > > >-- Original Message -- > > <%40> > >James H <james <james%40telestial.org>> > >Fri, 15 Dec 2006 23:14:07 +0000 > >Re: Schools > > <%40> > > > > > >It's not so much bullying, but it's just his mates kind of singling him > > >and having a go at him. > > > >It's the same friends that come round to our house and get sausage, > >beans, chips, waffles, jelly, ice cream, etc. for dinner (and enjoy it). > > > >They mock Joey for being vegan and for 'coming from a vegan family' > >(even though it's only me and him), but I don't think they really know > >what vegan means. There may be more to do with it - I think he's the > >toughest in the class and quite popular, so maybe it's their opportunity > > > >to bring him down a peg or two... > > > >I've told Joey that if he's mocked again, then he should explain to them > > > >that he doesn't think it's fair that animals should die to make food > >when they don't really have to. I also tell him to remind them who's the > > > >toughest in the class and that that's because he eats food that makes > >him strong (by the way, we don't eat waffles and jelly *all* the > >time!...). I know that's a bit more controversial, but I imagine it's > >quite an argument-winner for 6/7 year olds. > > > > > >Yes, it will be interesting to see what the council say. They're all up > > >for healthy eating, and veganism is fitting in more and more with that > >as time goes on, so it would be interesting to hear what they have to > >say. (I'll wait for Mrs Palk's reply first.) > > > > > >There's so much ignorance about, and I'm sure a lot of people will frown > > > >on the fact that I have 'pushed' veganism on my son. But if you ask any > > >kid who sees a calf in the field, " Shall we kill it so we can have a > >milkshake? " how many of them would say yes, and how many would give the > > >vegan answer? > > > >Anyway... I'll let you know what I hear back... > > > > > >Cheers, > >James > > > > > >~~ info ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > >Please remember that the above is only the opinion of the author, > >there may be another side to the story you have not heard. > >------------------------- > >Was this message Off Topic? Did you know? Was it snipped? > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > >Guidelines: visit <site temporarily offline> > >Un: send a blank message to > - > <-%40> > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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