Guest guest Posted March 12, 2007 Report Share Posted March 12, 2007 ....are being sold with a piece of white chocolate included. Great isn't it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 12, 2007 Report Share Posted March 12, 2007 Now you have made us aware of this I have just fired this off to them on their website: Are you aware that you are excluding ethical vegans from red noses this year by giving out non-vegan chocolate along with the red noses? Why do you want to alienate so many people who support animal rights and the environment? Also it makes sense to give out dairy-free chocolate for health reasons because more people have died from milk allergy than have died from nut allergy (and I notice you make it nut-free). Lesley Dove I await their response. _____ On Behalf Of James H 12 March 2007 11:27 Red Nose Day noses... ....are being sold with a piece of white chocolate included. Great isn't it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 12, 2007 Report Share Posted March 12, 2007 I discovered this too *after* buying three for my children... Kerry xx - James H Monday, March 12, 2007 11:27 AM Red Nose Day noses... ...are being sold with a piece of white chocolate included. Great isn't it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 14, 2007 Report Share Posted March 14, 2007 Did you take them back and get a refund? I would have! We have every right to kick up a stink about this (pun intended with it being noses). We would never go out of our way to support RND anyway, might possibly give £1 to them for the school mufti day but that’s all we would do, even then we usually just send them in mufti and tell the school we will be giving the money to a specific appropriate charity of our choice such as HIPPO or Vegfam as they are more in line with our beliefs as vegans (still not decided if we will do that this time but I should probably take a stand on this yet again this year, given that some of the money might go to those send a cow schemes or other things non-vegan). The schools never object or anything, but it’s annoying how so few people will take a stand about resisting the pressure and giving only to charities of their own choosing. Basically RND and the way it is run is no better than the “chuggers” in the high street the way they put pressure on parents to support specific charity days in schools (RND is always the one that is the most “in your face” everywhere). I hate Red Nose Day, bah humbug! Not that we are mean but you know we should get to choose with no pressure which poverty relief charities to support and I feel strongly about this! My husband does give regularly to Water Aid and sometimes to either Vegfam or HIPPO. Lesley _____ On Behalf Of Calvin & Kerry 12 March 2007 13:28 Re: Red Nose Day noses... I discovered this too *after* buying three for my children... Kerry xx - James H @ <%40> .com Monday, March 12, 2007 11:27 AM Red Nose Day noses... ....are being sold with a piece of white chocolate included. Great isn't it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 14, 2007 Report Share Posted March 14, 2007 No we didn't take them back. The children loved the red noses (they were all with me when I bought them.) They are wearing the red noses to school on Friday. I don't really know enough about what the money is spent on really, I've looked on the red nose day website, but am no wiser. Is it something vegans generally avoid for ethical reasons then? I was unaware if it was, but am interested. Kerry xx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 14, 2007 Report Share Posted March 14, 2007 I don’t know what other vegans do, it’s everyone’s own personal choice and I certainly wouldn’t judge anyone’s choices about RND, but I do think it should be more of a real choice with no pressure to be involved. I just find it really pushy of them practically forcing everyone to take part in it, doesn’t it bother you the way it is relentlessly pushed on us? Maybe it doesn’t bother you and that’s fine, different people feel differently about these things. Where we are ALL the schools seem to do a mufti day for it. My concerns have a lot to do with the way it is discouraging people from thinking for themselves on the matter of charity donations, it’s not just about veganism (although of course you have to be more than averagely capable of independent thought to decide to go vegan, so I am sure vegans tend to be more likely than other people to question most conformity). The money goes to such a wide variety of projects so you never really know what is being done with some of it. We would prefer to make our own choices thanks. I’m feeling under such pressure with it this week and dreading it, I find it stressful having to explain yet again if we decide not to give. I will leave it to my son to decide for himself whether to give £1 for his mufti day or not as he is almost 14 and although he has some difficulties with social and communication issues (Aspergers), he is bright and understands and accepts why we are vegans and why we prefer to give to Vegfam for example. My older daughter wants a red nose, but obviously I refused to get one because of the chocolate. She’ll survive! She knows there is no point arguing even though she can get a bit stroppy sometimes. She tried asking if she could have a nose and just give the chocolate to her friends, but I have decided to take a stand not to support it because of the pressure as well as the lack of consideration for vegan principles. If all the vegans just gave away the chocolate and still got the noses, then I feel the organisers would have got away with this completely. They need to lose out financially somewhat or they will not learn their lesson! I already felt bad enough about us paying for non-vegan pizzas (although we said we were not buying any with meat or fish) for a couple of her friends for her birthday out at Pizza Express (we did take them to Charlotte’s Web, a film with a very much veggie message, which we hope will have some influence over the friend who is not veggie). Note to self: be more consistent in future and not pay for anything non-vegan in case kids point out my face for hypocrisy (I would not be able to deny the inconsistency). Actually looking on the RND website I like the sound of most of the things they are doing so we might give the £1 this year at the school, but I’m still sich of it, it’s so in your face. Most people don’t like us shoving out vegan/AR beliefs and causes in their faces so why should it be OK for Comic Relief to out this pressure on the whole country? The Red Nose Day people have not even bothered responding to my complaint about the chocolate with the noses and they have had plenty of time now to reply, clearly they do not give a damn about offending and excluding us vegans so I am in two minds what to do on Friday about giving money at the schools, mainly because this has annoyed me so much and hearing how you were duped into buying the noses and then obviously you did not feel able to take them back because the kids wanted them. I’m afraid I would probably have just disappointed my kids and taken them back with a very strong complaint at the shop, but I must be a harsh and cruel mother! Kids survive disappointments far worse and I want my kids to learn that sometimes it is important to do the morally right thing even if it is not the easiest thing. At my older daughter’s junior school they have been doing things all week and we are doing our bit part because they are doing things this week for a specific project in Malawi which the deputy head is very involed in (he has visited and developed quite a relationship with people over there and always reports about his marathon training for future fundraising for them and what else he is up to in the school newsletter) so we know exactly where the money is going. I reminded my daughter that we are supporting her school’s mufti day and other activities this week for Malawi, but we will not buy the red noses with the chocolate for RND. At the other two schools I might just say we will give to Vegfam or something else suitable instead, since they are just doing the mufti day for RND and not any specific project. Lesley _____ On Behalf Of Calvin & Kerry 14 March 2007 18:00 Re: Red Nose Day noses... No we didn't take them back. The children loved the red noses (they were all with me when I bought them.) They are wearing the red noses to school on Friday. I don't really know enough about what the money is spent on really, I've looked on the red nose day website, but am no wiser. Is it something vegans generally avoid for ethical reasons then? I was unaware if it was, but am interested. Kerry xx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 15, 2007 Report Share Posted March 15, 2007 I think the chocolate thing is poor on RND's part. It's not as if veganism is so minor or seen as insignificant these days, and a lot of people understand the reasons for it, so it's disappointing that RND haven't embraced it. They could easily have put some vegan confectionary in there. I didn't know about the send a cow thing. What other non-vegan stuff does RND do? Of course, we can choose which ever charities we want, but you have to say it's good work on RND's part that most people do give to them. I think I've given loads to RND before. I might put things right this year by doing a sponsored RND event... and then giving all the proceeds to Viva! Only joking! (I'd probably spend the money on beer really!...) Lesley Dove wrote: > > Did you take them back and get a refund? I would have! We have every right > to kick up a stink about this (pun intended with it being noses). > > We would never go out of our way to support RND anyway, might possibly > give > £1 to them for the school mufti day but that’s all we would do, even > then we > usually just send them in mufti and tell the school we will be giving the > money to a specific appropriate charity of our choice such as HIPPO or > Vegfam as they are more in line with our beliefs as vegans (still not > decided if we will do that this time but I should probably take a stand on > this yet again this year, given that some of the money might go to those > send a cow schemes or other things non-vegan). The schools never object or > anything, but it’s annoying how so few people will take a stand about > resisting the pressure and giving only to charities of their own choosing. > Basically RND and the way it is run is no better than the “chuggers” > in the > high street the way they put pressure on parents to support specific > charity > days in schools (RND is always the one that is the most “in your face” > everywhere). > > I hate Red Nose Day, bah humbug! Not that we are mean but you know we > should > get to choose with no pressure which poverty relief charities to > support and > I feel strongly about this! My husband does give regularly to Water > Aid and > sometimes to either Vegfam or HIPPO. > > Lesley > > _____ > > <%40> > [ <%40>] On > Behalf Of > Calvin & Kerry > 12 March 2007 13:28 > <%40> > Re: Red Nose Day noses... > > I discovered this too *after* buying three for my children... > > Kerry xx > - > James H > @ <%40> .com > Monday, March 12, 2007 11:27 AM > Red Nose Day noses... > > ...are being sold with a piece of white chocolate included. Great > isn't it! > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 15, 2007 Report Share Posted March 15, 2007 I didn't say they definitely supported the sending cows, just that I did not know whether they funded this type of project or not, and unless I know for certain that they do not, I have my reservations about them as a mainstream non-veggie charity effort, which would certainly have no qualms about supporting animal exploitation. We know they have no qualms about it because of the milk chocolate. I didn't mean to mislead you about what they fund or spread something that might not be true, as they might not be funding any sending of farm animals. Most of the projects on their webpage seem pretty good although I haven't looked at everything. We might give this time although I maintain that I very strongly resent the " chugging " feel of it all. I've also found it's little use emailing them to ask questions or make complaints, they ignored my complaint about the chocolate, so it would probably be really hard to get answers from them as to whether they directly support any animal exploitation for food in any of their projects. I might phone them and give them hell about the chocolate actually I am so mad they have not replied to my email I sent through the website. I wonder if any vegans have had an answer from them about this, or an apology that we were overlooked?? Would be interesting to know. I think due to all the pressure, most ppl give just so as not to stand out as different (or mean even), not because they especially care, because most people are just " sheeple " anyway and will go along with the crowd, and this is what RND relies on, they understand human nature well enough to get just about everyone in on it, and now it is just the done thing. I'm going to phone them now to try and get some definite answers as to if they support any sending of cows or other animals, then we will know (if they answer me that is)! I'll pretty much quote your first paragraph on the phone if I get through to anyone, as it really sums it up well about why they should have put in vegan chocolate, if you don't mind. Lesley On Behalf Of James H 15 March 2007 01:05 Re: Red Nose Day noses... I think the chocolate thing is poor on RND's part. It's not as if veganism is so minor or seen as insignificant these days, and a lot of people understand the reasons for it, so it's disappointing that RND haven't embraced it. They could easily have put some vegan confectionary in there. I didn't know about the send a cow thing. What other non-vegan stuff does RND do? Of course, we can choose which ever charities we want, but you have to say it's good work on RND's part that most people do give to them. I think I've given loads to RND before. I might put things right this year by doing a sponsored RND event... and then giving all the proceeds to Viva! Only joking! (I'd probably spend the money on beer really!...) Lesley Dove wrote: > > Did you take them back and get a refund? I would have! We have every right > to kick up a stink about this (pun intended with it being noses). > > We would never go out of our way to support RND anyway, might possibly > give > £1 to them for the school mufti day but that’s all we would do, even > then we > usually just send them in mufti and tell the school we will be giving the > money to a specific appropriate charity of our choice such as HIPPO or > Vegfam as they are more in line with our beliefs as vegans (still not > decided if we will do that this time but I should probably take a stand on > this yet again this year, given that some of the money might go to those > send a cow schemes or other things non-vegan). The schools never object or > anything, but it’s annoying how so few people will take a stand about > resisting the pressure and giving only to charities of their own choosing. > Basically RND and the way it is run is no better than the “chuggers” > in the > high street the way they put pressure on parents to support specific > charity > days in schools (RND is always the one that is the most “in your face” > everywhere). > > I hate Red Nose Day, bah humbug! Not that we are mean but you know we > should > get to choose with no pressure which poverty relief charities to > support and > I feel strongly about this! My husband does give regularly to Water > Aid and > sometimes to either Vegfam or HIPPO. > > Lesley > > _____ > > <%40> > [ <%40>] On > Behalf Of > Calvin & Kerry > 12 March 2007 13:28 > <%40> > Re: Red Nose Day noses... > > I discovered this too *after* buying three for my children... > > Kerry xx > - > James H > @ <%40> .com > Monday, March 12, 2007 11:27 AM > Red Nose Day noses... > > ...are being sold with a piece of white chocolate included. Great > isn't it! > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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