War on slugs!!!

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Tev -

That's not very helpful - this is a vegan list and Helen specifically

asked for a method to repel slugs without killing hem.

Paul

On 11 May 2007, at 18:29, tev treowlufu wrote:

> This is a quote from a knowledgeable

> gentleman living in Illinois, USA, from the

> " plants and flowers " :

>

> [Re: [PlantsandFlowers] war on slugs & snails.

>

> " Beer attracts slugs, putting beer in a tray or

> shallow dish will attract them and they will drown. " ]

>

> good luck,

>

> tev

>

> --- Helen <helen wrote:

>

>> Hi there,

>>

>> Any ideas please.

>> I have never used any form of slug killer in the

>> garden, I think the

>> slugs have spread the word to all their friends and

>> are now taking

>> over!!

>> Seriously it is becomming a problem; I can't grow

>> anything without

>> them destroying it and worse still the guinea pigs

>> are struggling to

>> eat their food because the slugs keep getting in

>> it!!

>> Does anyone know of a slug-friendly repellent

>> method? I don't want to

>> kill the slugs but I do need to regain control of

>> the garden.

>>

>> Hope someone out there can help.

>> Helen

>>

>

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Add a teaspoonful of coffee into 5 liters of water and spray the solution

on to the plants. Apparently they averse to caffeine

Don M

On Behalf Of

tev treowlufu

11 May 2007 18:29

Re: War on slugs!!!

This is a quote from a knowledgeable

gentleman living in Illinois, USA, from the

" plants and flowers " :

PlantsandFlowers/

[Re: [PlantsandFlowers] war on slugs & snails.

" Beer attracts slugs, putting beer in a tray or

shallow dish will attract them and they will drown. " ]

good luck,

tev

--- Helen <helen <helen%40andywiles.com> > wrote:

> Hi there,

>

> Any ideas please.

> I have never used any form of slug killer in the

> garden, I think the

> slugs have spread the word to all their friends and

> are now taking

> over!!

> Seriously it is becomming a problem; I can't grow

> anything without

> them destroying it and worse still the guinea pigs

> are struggling to

> eat their food because the slugs keep getting in

> it!!

> Does anyone know of a slug-friendly repellent

> method? I don't want to

> kill the slugs but I do need to regain control of

> the garden.

>

> Hope someone out there can help.

> Helen

>

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Ooooh yes I couldn't possibly drown them, I just want them to go and eat

elsewhere!!

Thanks for trying though.

-

" Paul Russell " <prussell

Friday, May 11, 2007 7:08 PM

Re: War on slugs!!!

Tev -

That's not very helpful - this is a vegan list and Helen specifically

asked for a method to repel slugs without killing hem.

Paul

On 11 May 2007, at 18:29, tev treowlufu wrote:

> This is a quote from a knowledgeable

> gentleman living in Illinois, USA, from the

> " plants and flowers " :

>

> [Re: [PlantsandFlowers] war on slugs & snails.

>

> " Beer attracts slugs, putting beer in a tray or

> shallow dish will attract them and they will drown. " ]

>

> good luck,

>

> tev

>

> --- Helen <helen wrote:

>

>> Hi there,

>>

>> Any ideas please.

>> I have never used any form of slug killer in the

>> garden, I think the

>> slugs have spread the word to all their friends and

>> are now taking

>> over!!

>> Seriously it is becomming a problem; I can't grow

>> anything without

>> them destroying it and worse still the guinea pigs

>> are struggling to

>> eat their food because the slugs keep getting in

>> it!!

>> Does anyone know of a slug-friendly repellent

>> method? I don't want to

>> kill the slugs but I do need to regain control of

>> the garden.

>>

>> Hope someone out there can help.

>> Helen

>>

>

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Thanks, I'll give it a go.

-

Don Moore

Friday, May 11, 2007 7:12 PM

RE: War on slugs!!!

Add a teaspoonful of coffee into 5 liters of water and spray the solution

on to the plants. Apparently they averse to caffeine

Don M

On Behalf Of

tev treowlufu

11 May 2007 18:29

Re: War on slugs!!!

This is a quote from a knowledgeable

gentleman living in Illinois, USA, from the

" plants and flowers " :

PlantsandFlowers/

[Re: [PlantsandFlowers] war on slugs & snails.

" Beer attracts slugs, putting beer in a tray or

shallow dish will attract them and they will drown. " ]

good luck,

tev

--- Helen <helen <helen%40andywiles.com> > wrote:

> Hi there,

>

> Any ideas please.

> I have never used any form of slug killer in the

> garden, I think the

> slugs have spread the word to all their friends and

> are now taking

> over!!

> Seriously it is becomming a problem; I can't grow

> anything without

> them destroying it and worse still the guinea pigs

> are struggling to

> eat their food because the slugs keep getting in

> it!!

> Does anyone know of a slug-friendly repellent

> method? I don't want to

> kill the slugs but I do need to regain control of

> the garden.

>

> Hope someone out there can help.

> Helen

>

" Until he extends his circle of compassion to all

living things, man will not himself find peace. "

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Just heard on gardners world that you can boil up some garlic in water , let it

cool and then spray it over the foliage, then they will not

nibble..................

The Valley Vegan...............

Helen Davies <helen wrote:

Ooooh yes I couldn't possibly drown them, I just want them to go and eat

elsewhere!!

Thanks for trying though.

-

" Paul Russell "

To:

Friday, May 11, 2007 7:08 PM

Re: War on slugs!!!

Tev -

That's not very helpful - this is a vegan list and Helen specifically

asked for a method to repel slugs without killing hem.

Paul

On 11 May 2007, at 18:29, tev treowlufu wrote:

> This is a quote from a knowledgeable

> gentleman living in Illinois, USA, from the

> " plants and flowers " :

>

> [Re: [PlantsandFlowers] war on slugs & snails.

>

> " Beer attracts slugs, putting beer in a tray or

> shallow dish will attract them and they will drown. " ]

>

> good luck,

>

> tev

>

> --- Helen wrote:

>

>> Hi there,

>>

>> Any ideas please.

>> I have never used any form of slug killer in the

>> garden, I think the

>> slugs have spread the word to all their friends and

>> are now taking

>> over!!

>> Seriously it is becomming a problem; I can't grow

>> anything without

>> them destroying it and worse still the guinea pigs

>> are struggling to

>> eat their food because the slugs keep getting in

>> it!!

>> Does anyone know of a slug-friendly repellent

>> method? I don't want to

>> kill the slugs but I do need to regain control of

>> the garden.

>>

>> Hope someone out there can help.

>> Helen

>>

>

> “Until he extends his circle of compassion to all

> living things, man will not himself find peace. "

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May 11, 2007

Copper apparently produces a small electrical discharge to slugs ( which are

mostlt water), and so repels them. Unfortunately it is expensive. Try the garlic

solution ( may keep away vampires too!)

The Valley Vegan.............

Paul Russell <prussell wrote:

Hi Helen -

I have heard of various things such as copper strips (apparently the

slugs don't like to cross them) and also making a " sacrificial

offering " to the slugs, i.e. grow something that they really like and

hope that they eat that in preference to your own plants. I haven't

tried either of these yet though - we had a bad slug problem last

year but so far this year I haven't seen any. We do have a big snail

problem though.

Paul

On 11 May 2007, at 08:55, Helen wrote:

> Hi there,

>

> Any ideas please.

> I have never used any form of slug killer in the garden, I think the

> slugs have spread the word to all their friends and are now taking

> over!!

> Seriously it is becomming a problem; I can't grow anything without

> them destroying it and worse still the guinea pigs are struggling to

> eat their food because the slugs keep getting in it!!

> Does anyone know of a slug-friendly repellent method? I don't want to

> kill the slugs but I do need to regain control of the garden.

>

> Hope someone out there can help.

> Helen

>

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May 11, 2007

Paul -

It's true that my suggestion won't work

for her, as she wants to remove them without

killing them.

I live in Florida and the mosquitoes and the

yellow flies are atrocious. In fact, the yellow

flies inflict severe pain when they bite. I still

consider myself a vegan, even though I will kill

mosquitoes and yellow flies when they attack me.

Sorry but I'd choose the guinea pigs over the

slugs at my house. For what its worth, joining

the " plants and flowers " forum would enable the

member to read through the entire archive. There

are many discussions concerning slugs listed in

that group archive.

Being vegan is obsessive isn't it Paul?

tev

--- Paul Russell <prussell wrote:

> Tev -

>

> That's not very helpful - this is a vegan list and

> Helen specifically

> asked for a method to repel slugs without killing

> hem.

>

> Paul

>

> On 11 May 2007, at 18:29, tev treowlufu wrote:

>

> > This is a quote from a knowledgeable

> > gentleman living in Illinois, USA, from the

> > " plants and flowers " :

> > PlantsandFlowers/

> >

> > [Re: [PlantsandFlowers] war on slugs & snails.

> >

> > " Beer attracts slugs, putting beer in a tray or

> > shallow dish will attract them and they will

> drown. " ]

> >

> > good luck,

> >

> > tev

> >

> > --- Helen <helen wrote:

> >

> >> Hi there,

> >>

> >> Any ideas please.

> >> I have never used any form of slug killer in the

> >> garden, I think the

> >> slugs have spread the word to all their friends

> and

> >> are now taking

> >> over!!

> >> Seriously it is becomming a problem; I can't grow

> >> anything without

> >> them destroying it and worse still the guinea

> pigs

> >> are struggling to

> >> eat their food because the slugs keep getting in

> >> it!!

> >> Does anyone know of a slug-friendly repellent

> >> method? I don't want to

> >> kill the slugs but I do need to regain control of

> >> the garden.

> >>

> >> Hope someone out there can help.

> >> Helen

> >>

> >

> > “Until he extends his circle of compassion to all

> > living things, man will not himself find peace. "

> > --Albert Schweitzer

> >

> > http://www.vegconnect.com/

> >

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Most gardeners find they have no alternative, but

to choose between their plants and killing the

slugs. Ultimately, whatever you use will cause

pain to the slugs. Veganism isn't perfect. It is

a perfectly good step in the right direction.

tev

Caffeine repels and kills slugs

10:50 27 June 2002

NewScientist.com news service

Gaia Vince

http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn2470

Dilute caffeine solutions repel and kill slugs, say

researchers in Hawaii. The chance finding could lead

to a new environmentally friendly way of controlling

the crop pests, the team says.

Robert Hollingsworth and colleagues at the

Agricultural Research Service in Hawaii were

field-testing caffeine as a toxin against a non-native

frog. But they discovered that 95 per cent of large

slugs were killed by a spray containing two per cent

caffeine.

The team then tested lower concentrations of caffeine

on cabbage leaves. At a concentration of just 0.01 per

cent, caffeine reduced slugs' feeding by one quarter.

A cup of instant coffee contains about 0.05 per cent

caffeine.

Bill Symondson, a molecular ecologist at the Pest

Management and Ecotoxicology Centre, Cardiff

University, says the finding is interesting. " Slug

control is extremely important economically - more so

than any single insect in the UK. There is very little

public tolerance of slugs. People make a huge fuss if

they find one in their lettuce. "

Uncoordinated writhing

The researchers say that they do not know why caffeine

killed the slugs. But they suggest it may act as a

neurotoxin, since sprayed slugs fell to " uncoordinated

writhing " before dying.

" Caffeine is present in coffee and cocoa beans to

protect the plant against insects, but it is pure

chance that it has a toxic effect on molluscs. It

could be very useful because coffee is not likely to

harm people so it's far better than spreading the

traditional products, which also harm insects, "

Symondson told New Scientist.

Most commercial products for snail and slug control

contain either metaldehyde or methiocarb. Residues of

these chemicals are not permitted on food crops in the

US, but caffeine is regarded as safe by the Food and

Drug Administration.

A two per cent caffeine solution is more effective

than the standard 0.195 per cent metaldehyde

treatment, the team says.

Journal reference: Nature (vol 417 p 915)

--- Helen Davies <helen wrote:

> Thanks, I'll give it a go.

>

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[sorry, Helen. I am not trying to advocate

killing the slugs. Perhaps the only way for

you to save them is to set up a slug zone

(away from your cultivated area) and feed

them some vegetable matter, thus distracting

them from your garden.]

New research finds garlic kills slugs

http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2003-09/uonu-nrf091103.php

It was worshipped by the ancient Egyptians, was said

to keep vampires at bay, and is good for keeping you

healthy.

Scientists from the University of Newcastle upon Tyne

have now found the pungent herb garlic could win the

costly worldwide war against slugs and snails as an

environmentally friendly pesticide.

The findings are published in the current edition of

the academic journal, Crop Protection*. Lead

researcher Dr Gordon Port will speak about the

effective alternatives to chemical pesticides, with

special reference to slugs, at approximately 11am at

the BA Festival of Science TODAY, Friday September 12

2003.

Laboratory tests on nine potential molluscicides – the

technical term for substances that kill slugs and

snails - revealed that a highly refined garlic product

(ECOguard produced by ECOspray Ltd.) was one of the

most effective killers.

The research was carried out at the request of the

crop growing industry and sponsored by the

Horticultural Development Council and the Department

for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs. It provides

scientific proof of garlic's pest controlling

properties, and should help businesses developing new

treatment products for widespread use.

The scientists, Ingo Schüder and Gordon Port from

Newcastle University's School of Biology, suspect

garlic may have an adverse affect on the creatures'

nervous systems but say it is difficult to say exactly

why they die without further investigation.

Garlic has long been used in 'companion planting'

strategies for hundreds of years. Monks used to site

garlic next to their vegetable crops to keep unwanted

pests away.

Slugs and snails cause millions of pounds worth of

damage as they munch their way through food crops and

plants, particularly those in cool, temperate climates

like those of the UK, Northern Europe and North West

America. Even more millions of pounds are spent trying

to control them - the estimated overall cost to the UK

is around £30m.

Growers are increasingly seeking alternative solutions

to traditional pesticides, however, as ever-tightening

regulations governing the use of chemicals may mean

that some products could be withdrawn.

Garlic is already being used in some products as a

mollusc repellent but this research takes it a step

further. Earlier work by Newcastle University also

found that garlic kills slug eggs laid in the soil.

The Newcastle University scientists looked at how

applying a liquid containing garlic extract to soil

affected slugs and snails' movement through it. They

also measured damage to a Chinese cabbage leaf. Garlic

largely prevented the leaf from being eaten and killed

a very high percentage of the creatures.

Tests also revealed that ureaformaldehyde, a chemical

used in the manufacture of chipboard, was a very

effective molluscicide.

Lead researcher Dr Gordon Port said:

" Nobody has really found a definitive solution to the

problem of slugs and snails. There are lots of

products on the market but the real difficulty is

actually getting to them in the field. They are very

well adapted to their habitat, live hidden away in the

soil, and are coated with layer of mucus that can help

protect them from substances.

" Farmers and growers have difficulty controlling them

with conventional bait pellets, which are particularly

ineffective in very wet or very dry weather. Poison

baits can also be toxic to other creatures living in

the soil, as well as birds and mammals such as shrews

and field mice.

" We need to find new environmentally and

cost-effective ways of controlling molluscs, and

garlic could be our answer. The tests show that it is

certainly a potent chemical where slugs and snails are

concerned and if used appropriately we know it's

mostly harmless to man because it is used as a cooking

ingredient.

" We need to carry out more tests to find out its

commercial potential. We want to find out how garlic

affects other creatures living in the soil, the right

concentration to use, how it affects the taste of food

once it has been used on crops, and many other things.

Dr Port added the findings may be welcomed by organic

gardeners looking for alternatives to pesticides. He

said: " The research suggests that a home-made recipe

of crushed garlic bulbs mixed with water could work on

small-scale gardens. "

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> Just heard on gardners world that you can boil up

> some garlic in water , let it cool and then spray it

> over the foliage, then they will not

> nibble..................

>

> The Valley Vegan...............

>

> Helen Davies <helen wrote:

> Ooooh yes I couldn't possibly drown them, I just

> want them to go and eat

> elsewhere!!

>

> Thanks for trying though.

>

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I know absolutely nothing about repelling slugs but if anyone has an ant

problem, did you know that they will not cross a line of talcum powder?

Just thought I'd mention it since we are on the subject of non-lethal pest

control.

Lesley

On Behalf Of

Helen Davies

11 May 2007 19:25

Re: War on slugs!!!

Ooooh yes I couldn't possibly drown them, I just want them to go and eat

elsewhere!!

Thanks for trying though.

-

" Paul Russell " <prussell

Friday, May 11, 2007 7:08 PM

Re: War on slugs!!!

Tev -

That's not very helpful - this is a vegan list and Helen specifically

asked for a method to repel slugs without killing hem.

Paul

On 11 May 2007, at 18:29, tev treowlufu wrote:

> This is a quote from a knowledgeable

> gentleman living in Illinois, USA, from the

> " plants and flowers " :

>

> [Re: [PlantsandFlowers] war on slugs & snails.

>

> " Beer attracts slugs, putting beer in a tray or

> shallow dish will attract them and they will drown. " ]

>

> good luck,

>

> tev

>

> --- Helen <helen wrote:

>

>> Hi there,

>>

>> Any ideas please.

>> I have never used any form of slug killer in the

>> garden, I think the

>> slugs have spread the word to all their friends and

>> are now taking

>> over!!

>> Seriously it is becomming a problem; I can't grow

>> anything without

>> them destroying it and worse still the guinea pigs

>> are struggling to

>> eat their food because the slugs keep getting in

>> it!!

>> Does anyone know of a slug-friendly repellent

>> method? I don't want to

>> kill the slugs but I do need to regain control of

>> the garden.

>>

>> Hope someone out there can help.

>> Helen

>>

>

> " Until he extends his circle of compassion to all

> living things, man will not himself find peace. "

> --Albert Schweitzer

>