Guest guest Posted June 24, 2004 Report Share Posted June 24, 2004 I could eat my weight in this stuff. Heck, over the years, I probably have. :-) You can add mushrooms to it; delicious, though it's gilding the lily. ********** Pea Salad 16 oz. frozen peas 1/2 cup celery, chopped 1 small onion, chopped one 8-oz. can water chestnuts, chopped 3 oz. mock bacon bits 8 oz. sour cream 1/2 cup mayonnaise or Nayonnaise 1package dry ranch dressing mix [ed.--1/2 to 1 level tsp. curry powder--optional but good!] Allow peas to thaw. Combine peas with remaining ingredients and chill for several hours before serving so the flavors blend. The Skinny: Use light sour cream and mayo. Source: Arcamax Daily Recipes, with permission Rain @@@@ \\\\\\\ ______________ The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 24, 2004 Report Share Posted June 24, 2004 What is Nayonnaise? , raincrone@j... > ......1/2 cup mayonnaise or Nayonnaise... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 24, 2004 Report Share Posted June 24, 2004 Gabriella said: > What is Nayonnaise? It's yucky. :-) But really, it's a vegan brand of mayo -- I *much* prefer Vegenaise, but I know there are some people who don't think Nayonnaise tastes like bad Miracle Whip. ;-) serene -- My website: http://www.serenepages.org Learn From History: http://jhuger.com My eBay stuff for sale: http://tinyurl.com/3d3lv Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 24, 2004 Report Share Posted June 24, 2004 > What is Nayonnaise? An eggless, tofu-based mayo. It's pretty good. Rain @@@@ \\\\\\ ______________ The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 24, 2004 Report Share Posted June 24, 2004 No idea if it's " pretty good " or " yucky " . It's an egg-free soya mayonnaise. Thanks to you both. Gabriella Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 24, 2004 Report Share Posted June 24, 2004 Nayonnaise is a tofu mayo!! Gabriella <gabriella_kapsaski wrote:What is Nayonnaise? , raincrone@j... > .......1/2 cup mayonnaise or Nayonnaise... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 25, 2004 Report Share Posted June 25, 2004 Question: Do mock bacon bits sound kosher? I read somewhere eating veggie burger with cheese is appearance of inappropriate behavior. Mock bacon bits...oy vey. Shouldn't we stay away even from mock pork products? daniela - raincrone Thursday, June 24, 2004 8:09 AM pea salad I could eat my weight in this stuff. Heck, over the years, I probably have. :-) You can add mushrooms to it; delicious, though it's gilding the lily. ********** Pea Salad 16 oz. frozen peas 1/2 cup celery, chopped 1 small onion, chopped one 8-oz. can water chestnuts, chopped 3 oz. mock bacon bits 8 oz. sour cream 1/2 cup mayonnaise or Nayonnaise 1package dry ranch dressing mix [ed.--1/2 to 1 level tsp. curry powder--optional but good!] Allow peas to thaw. Combine peas with remaining ingredients and chill for several hours before serving so the flavors blend. The Skinny: Use light sour cream and mayo. Source: Arcamax Daily Recipes, with permission Rain @@@@ \\\\\\\ ______________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 25, 2004 Report Share Posted June 25, 2004 What should I say, Daniela. It certainly does not " sound " kosher, and even if it is, there are certainly people opposed to it. All these meat substitutes are actually made for people becoming vegetarian without wanting to give up the taste of meat. Now, kosher is not synonymous with vegetarian. We had this discussion about Quorn the other day, that is made out of a fungi, and does not contain anything that could not be considered kosher. In the UK however, only two products bear a hechser and in the US, so far none. There is no right or wrong, it is a personal thing I guess! Certainly an Orthodox Rabbi will answer completely differently from a Reform Rabbi. And although this list is (also) about keeping kashrut, I don't think that it is the one and only factor of being Jewish. If it turns out that eating kosher is the only link to Jewishness, well, it is a personal choice. I also know people who are very religious, but ignore any restrictions on food, and who am I to doubt their faith? I am a vegetarian. This is my choice, even if I do not respect the laws of eating meat on holidays. There are other writings, that Jews should not eat meat. Without wanting to give a false information I believe, that if a product bears a hechser, you can eat it. If its parve, you can eat it with dairy products. There is no law about " appearance of food " and its false appearance as an inappropriate behavior.(There is not by chance a Rabbi on this list?) About the porc flavour.. You could practically make a fake kosher " shrimp salad " for those who eat fish , and still have someone at the table who finds it terribly wrong. Many vegetarians dislike also the idea of meat substitutes (burgers made out of soy etc) but still do veggie burgers (and the only thing is calling them " burger " instead of " patties " ) You see what I mean? Veggie burgers with cheese are a no-no, but veggie patties with cheese are okay? Same thing about fake bacon.I would not want to eat anything that is obviously so technical, that it imitates another taste, but some like it, so, why not? Sorry, I have no idea. Gabriella , " d " <daniela@m...> wrote: > Question: Do mock bacon bits sound kosher? I read somewhere eating veggie burger with cheese is appearance of inappropriate behavior. Mock bacon bits...oy vey. Shouldn't we stay away even from mock pork products? > > daniela > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 25, 2004 Report Share Posted June 25, 2004 Yes, in Canada you can buy a product called " Bacos " they have the Kosher label and all. They are made out of chemicals, with no meat products. I tried them once and they do taste like bacon. If you want to put more chemicals into your body, it is available. Robert Weisbloom rweisbloom d [daniela] Friday, June 25, 2004 12:37 PM Re: pea salad Question: Do mock bacon bits sound kosher? I read somewhere eating veggie burger with cheese is appearance of inappropriate behavior. Mock bacon bits...oy vey. Shouldn't we stay away even from mock pork products? daniela - raincrone Thursday, June 24, 2004 8:09 AM pea salad I could eat my weight in this stuff. Heck, over the years, I probably have. :-) You can add mushrooms to it; delicious, though it's gilding the lily. ********** Pea Salad 16 oz. frozen peas 1/2 cup celery, chopped 1 small onion, chopped one 8-oz. can water chestnuts, chopped 3 oz. mock bacon bits 8 oz. sour cream 1/2 cup mayonnaise or Nayonnaise 1package dry ranch dressing mix [ed.--1/2 to 1 level tsp. curry powder--optional but good!] Allow peas to thaw. Combine peas with remaining ingredients and chill for several hours before serving so the flavors blend. The Skinny: Use light sour cream and mayo. Source: Arcamax Daily Recipes, with permission Rain @@@@ \\\\\\\ ______________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 25, 2004 Report Share Posted June 25, 2004 Daniela I agree that we should avoid the appearance of uncleanliness, but what if the manufacturer labelled them smoke flavoured TVP? They are made from textured vegetable protein flavoured with liquid smoke and are easily made at home. I have no problem giving up the things against haShem spoke through Moshe, but I don't think TVP and smoke was listed (smile). I could be wrong since I am jewish by choice, not birth or tradition, but it seems as if it would be okay. As for those meat analogues, I think Gabriella is right. They are made for people who want to " fit " in with the ground and not look like they are weird or anything and they can do this with soy protein based ham and pepperoni, veggie patties and so forth BUT sometimes we vegetarians need quick protein sources as well, convenience foods, especially if we are working and have a family to take care of as well, and so these really can be a blessing. Not the ham and pepperoni, per se, but the vegetarian patties certainly. And, there is the consideration of peer pressure when it comes to young adults and teens. If it is possible to help them fit in with their friends it is more likely they will continue to eat in the vegetarian fashion until they make a decision that it is right for them, if their peers are always teasing them or bugging them about eating weird food. Teens aren't know for choosing health. Just my thoughts, BL Gabriella wrote: >What should I say, Daniela. It certainly does not " sound " kosher, and >even if it is, there are certainly people opposed to it. >All these meat substitutes are actually made for people becoming >vegetarian without wanting to give up the taste of meat. Now, kosher >is not synonymous with vegetarian. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 26, 2004 Report Share Posted June 26, 2004 > Question: Do mock bacon bits sound kosher? I read somewhere eating > veggie burger with cheese is appearance of inappropriate behavior. I dunno--soybacon bits don't look much like real bacon, at least to me. > Mock bacon bits...oy vey. Shouldn't we stay away even from mock pork > products? Hmm. . .my understanding of kashrut is admittedly not encyclopedic, but I do see mock-chicken-broth mix in the Kosher-foods section at the supermarket, and did see (and taste) it used in the neighborhood where I grew up, by observant Jews who did seem to feel it was exempt from the rules for poultry; is the principle not the same? Mock bacon bits are soy flavored with smoke and sugar. If that's objectionable, I give up trying to predict. :-) Rain @@@@ \\\\\\ ______________ The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 26, 2004 Report Share Posted June 26, 2004 > Yes, in Canada you can buy a product called " Bacos " they have the > Kosher > label and all. They are made out of chemicals, with no meat > products. > I tried them once and they do taste like bacon. If you want to put > more chemicals into your body, it is available. With all due respect, everything is made of chemicals, including plants, animals, and us. To which ones in soybacon do you object, and why? Rain @@@@ \\\\\\ ______________ The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 26, 2004 Report Share Posted June 26, 2004 Artificial chemicals, preservatives, colourings, etc. just in general are not good for us. I really believe that the closer to natural something is the better it is for us. I think in the beginning haShem offered fruits, nuts and seeds and there wasn't any preservative on the menu (smile). We might eliminate alot of disease if we could eat more like this. So many people are allergic to nitrates and so on, that it does seem to be leading to some chronic illnesses. BL raincrone wrote: >>Yes, in Canada you can buy a product called " Bacos " they have the >>Kosher >>label and all. They are made out of chemicals, with no meat >>products. >>I tried them once and they do taste like bacon. If you want to put >>more chemicals into your body, it is available. >> >> > >With all due respect, everything is made of chemicals, including plants, >animals, >and us. To which ones in soybacon do you object, and why? > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 26, 2004 Report Share Posted June 26, 2004 >and there wasn't any preservative on the menu (smile). True. Well, except for herbs. Rosemary, for instance, is such a good preservative it compares favorably to BHA or BHT; I like to put it in potato salad for picnic, since it's yummy with potatoes anyway. Chiles are an extremely good preservative too, and thyme and cinnamon aren't bad. >We might eliminate a lot of disease if we could eat more > like this. So many people are allergic to nitrates and so on, that > it does seem to be leading to some chronic illnesses. Point taken. But does fake bacon contain added nitrates/nitrites? And <lightbulb moment> is the liquid smoke they use high in either of those? I thought those preservatives were used only in cured (real) meat, so I haven't looked for 'em in the nutrition blurb on the bulk bin at the healthfood store. Possibly I should, thanks. But I have to say this, speaking as an herbalist: just because something's natural doesn't necessarily make it safe. Some herbs like groundsel are as toxic as they are useful, and have to be used with great, great care. Some are just plain too toxic to use safely at all; many Kentucky roadsides are blanketed with poison hemlock in mid- to late summer, for instance, and it's so poisonous that kids have died just from blowing whistles made from the hollow stems. And too much of some quite innocuous things (notably rosemary) can result in poisoning; there have even been a few deaths from rosemary overdosage. And I'm not against all chemical additives on principle. Some of them work, and are pretty clearly not harmful. I mean, hey. . . the Higher Power(s) also gave us our spirit of scientific inquiry, no? Thanks for a great thread, y'all! Rain @@@@ \\\\\\ ______________ The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 26, 2004 Report Share Posted June 26, 2004 Hi Brenda-Lee! I get your point, but I am not sure if vegetarian teenagers really feel the urge to fit in by eating food that ressembles to the one their friends might eat at McWhatever. Maybe if a vegetarian life style is imposed on them, but not, if it is their own choice. My children are rather proud about their way of eating, and friends coming over to our house simply fit in without big discussions. My vegan daughter, who eats lunch at school, brings her own food from home because there is only a vegetarian choice among the school's menues. And she does not feel strange but is rather the one really concerned about a healthy lifestyle, which goes as far as using only organic shampoos, soaps etc. And about the fact that " we vegetarians need quick protein sources as well " , yes, I agree. But a handful of nuts can do miracles! Gabriella , Brenda-Lee <shalomaleichemacadem@m...> wrote: >.....They are made > for people who want to " fit " in with the ground and not look like they > are weird or anything and they can do this with soy protein based ham > and pepperoni, veggie patties and so forth BUT sometimes we vegetarians > need quick protein sources as well, convenience foods, especially if we > are working and have a family to take care of as well, and so these > really can be a blessing. Not the ham and pepperoni, per se, but the > vegetarian patties certainly. > > And, there is the consideration of peer pressure when it comes to young > adults and teens. If it is possible to help them fit in with their > friends it is more likely they will continue to eat in the vegetarian > fashion until they make a decision that it is right for them, if their > peers are always teasing them or bugging them about eating weird food. > Teens aren't know for choosing health. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 26, 2004 Report Share Posted June 26, 2004 Yes, even if everything is made " out of chemicals " as Rain said. Of course it is. But not everything we stuff into our bodies is the right amount and kind of chemicals. If something doesn't look good, why should we eat it after it has been artificially coloured? There is also a sell-on date on fresh things, and I rather accept that, than having tomatoes for six months in my fridge (especially tomatoes, that do not smell or taste at all like tomatoes) Just take a look at all the people suffering from migraines, skin diseases, asthma, ADD etc. Where might that come from? Not to speak of cancer. Gabriella , Brenda-Lee <shalomaleichemacadem@m...> wrote: > Artificial chemicals, preservatives, colourings, etc. just in general > are not good for us. I really believe that the closer to natural > something is the better it is for us. I think in the beginning haShem > offered fruits, nuts and seeds and there wasn't any preservative on the > menu (smile). We might eliminate alot of disease if we could eat more > like this. So many people are allergic to nitrates and so on, that it > does seem to be leading to some chronic illnesses. > > BL > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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