for Lammas (or any other feast of first harvest)

July 27, 2004

Lammas, also called Lughnasadh (July 31 or August 1)is the Wiccan feast

that has traditionally celebrated the newly ripened or ripening corn,

which

in America is maize. In recent years, at least in my part of the US,

it's also

come to be a celebration of the first harvest of the other high-summer

vegetables, but corn is still usually central to the feast. Here's a

vegan

recipe for this or any other harvest festival. Just about everybody

likes it.

LIRIV METADI, a hearty vegetable stew

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2 cups Small red beans, uncooked

2 Onions, chopped and divided

4-6 cloves Garlic, minced and divided

1 cup Fresh corn cut off cob

-OR- 1/2 cup parched corn

1 handful Dried black mushrooms

Juice and pulp of 1 lemon, or more to taste

1 Mild or hot green chile pepper, minced, or to taste

3-4 Tomatoes, ripe local, chopped coarsely

2-3 Tbsp Tomato paste

1-2 tsp Whole cumin seeds [ed.--I use only one, and I like to

toast them a bit in a dry skillet.]

Oregano to taste, preferably fresh

[i prefer marjoram.]

Winter [or summer] savory to taste

Red chiles to taste, if desired

1 Bay leaf

Cook beans till done with 1/3 of the chopped onion, 2/3 of

the garlic and the bay leaf. [Ed.-Original recipe is written

in a conversational, oral-tradition style; liquid amount isn't

given, and I'm not a cook who measures much, so I can't tell

you by cups. But there should be enough liquid left after

cooking the beans for about another hour of slow simmer.]

If using parched corn, simmer till thoroughly cooked and drain.

[Fresh is better, especially fresh white.] Simmer mushrooms

for half an hour, and keep them in the cooking broth. Fry

remainder of the onion in oil with the rest of the

garlic and the cumin.

Combine all the above with the remaining ingredients and simmer

about an hour, keeping an eye on liquid level. Tomato paste

should be added late to avoid scorching, and it's easiest to

mash it up in a little water or some broth from the stew first.

This dish is too substantial for rice; serve with a NON-SWEET

flat cornbread like tortillas or hoecakes, and garnish with

chopped raw onion or a coarsely cut salsa or tangy chutney.

Good with buttermilk or iced tea, and while I can't test

them out for you, it'd probably be great with ice-cold

St. Pauli Girl beer or a red Zinfandel, a good gutsy burgundy,

or another dry red wine with some backbone. Cantaloupe is great

for dessert on the unlikely chance you have room.

[NOTE:

This is a recipe from a novel, Ursula LeGuin's splendid

_Always Coming Home_. It's the favorite main dish of an

imagined tribe living in California in a post-technological

future. From an invented culture or not, it's delicious

and inexpensive and really sticks with you, so I make it

a lot.]

Rain

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July 28, 2004

BS " D

I am new here and am surprised at the wicken bit. I thought this was a JEWISH

board. ??? Can anyone explain this??????

Tue, 27 Jul 2004 00:35:54 -0400

raincrone

for Lammas (or any other feast of first harvest)

Lammas, also called Lughnasadh (July 31 or August 1)is the Wiccan feast

that has traditionally celebrated the newly ripened or ripening corn,

which

in America is maize. In recent years, at least in my part of the US,

it's also

come to be a celebration of the first harvest of the other high-summer

vegetables, but corn is still usually central to the feast. Here's a

vegan

recipe for this or any other harvest festival. Just about everybody

likes it.

LIRIV METADI, a hearty vegetable stew

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

2 cups Small red beans, uncooked

2 Onions, chopped and divided

4-6 cloves Garlic, minced and divided

1 cup Fresh corn cut off cob

-OR- 1/2 cup parched corn

1 handful Dried black mushrooms

Juice and pulp of 1 lemon, or more to taste

1 Mild or hot green chile pepper, minced, or to taste

3-4 Tomatoes, ripe local, chopped coarsely

2-3 Tbsp Tomato paste

1-2 tsp Whole cumin seeds [ed.--I use only one, and I like to

toast them a bit in a dry skillet.]

Oregano to taste, preferably fresh

[i prefer marjoram.]

Winter [or summer] savory to taste

Red chiles to taste, if desired

1 Bay leaf

Cook beans till done with 1/3 of the chopped onion, 2/3 of

the garlic and the bay leaf. [Ed.-Original recipe is written

in a conversational, oral-tradition style; liquid amount isn't

given, and I'm not a cook who measures much, so I can't tell

you by cups. But there should be enough liquid left after

cooking the beans for about another hour of slow simmer.]

If using parched corn, simmer till thoroughly cooked and drain.

[Fresh is better, especially fresh white.] Simmer mushrooms

for half an hour, and keep them in the cooking broth. Fry

remainder of the onion in oil with the rest of the

garlic and the cumin.

Combine all the above with the remaining ingredients and simmer

about an hour, keeping an eye on liquid level. Tomato paste

should be added late to avoid scorching, and it's easiest to

mash it up in a little water or some broth from the stew first.

This dish is too substantial for rice; serve with a NON-SWEET

flat cornbread like tortillas or hoecakes, and garnish with

chopped raw onion or a coarsely cut salsa or tangy chutney.

Good with buttermilk or iced tea, and while I can't test

them out for you, it'd probably be great with ice-cold

St. Pauli Girl beer or a red Zinfandel, a good gutsy burgundy,

or another dry red wine with some backbone. Cantaloupe is great

for dessert on the unlikely chance you have room.

[NOTE:

This is a recipe from a novel, Ursula LeGuin's splendid

_Always Coming Home_. It's the favorite main dish of an

imagined tribe living in California in a post-technological

future. From an invented culture or not, it's delicious

and inexpensive and really sticks with you, so I make it

a lot.]

Rain

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July 28, 2004

Shalom, Tsila! Nothing to be upset about!

Yes, this is a Jewish group and 95% of the members are Jewish. We

discuss vegetarian recipes AND Classic Jewish recipes in a vegetarian

adaptation.

However, not everybody here is Jewish, and I tolerate every member's

beliefs as long as it does not become a point of discussion.

The lady who posted the recipe is Pagan, not a Wicca by the way, and

has posted some of the most exciting recipes here and very

challenging threats for several discussions.

So I hope this does not lead to any further misunderstandings and we

can offer the same tolerance as we accept from others.

Warm regards,

Gabriella

, Tsila

<tsilagroup> wrote:

>

> BS " D

>

> I am new here and am surprised at the wicken bit. I thought this

was a JEWISH board. ??? Can anyone explain this??????

>

July 28, 2004

> I am new here and am surprised at the wicken bit.

Wiccan, please. I'm a Wiccan clergywoman, and I commented once

here on the similarity between many of our feasts and those of

Judaism. There are strong historical links between them.

The reception was positive; people were interested and accepting.

So I've continued to post recipes occasionally that would work for

BOTH traditions. Note what I said:

> Here's a vegan recipe for this or any other harvest festival.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

But if the moderatrix wants me to stop, I will. Gabriella?

Rain

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July 28, 2004

> The lady who posted the recipe is Pagan, not a Wicca by the way,

Actually, I'm a Wiccan high priestess. The way it works is, not all

Pagans are Wiccan, but all Wiccans are Pagans. :-)

> has posted some of the most exciting recipes here and very

> challenging threats for several discussions.

LOL! I suspect. . .at least, I hope. . .you meant to type " threads " .

I leave my Louiisville Slugger in the closet, honest. :-)

Rain

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July 28, 2004

Ooops! Wiccan it is, not just Pagan! Sorry, Rain!

Isn't it lovely to demonstrate one's ignorance in public? But as I

said before with the cilantro - I am still learning!

By the way, talking about Pagans, there is a very interesting

documentary on BBC this month. I have already seen two parts and

found it especially interesting to see all the elements the

Christians took over.

This is a democratic group and the only thing I object to are spams,

missionaries and insults.

So, every topic is open for discussion, and if anyone feels irritated

by any subject, please be patient, press the delete-button, and soon

there will be new recipes coming.

Gabriella

PS Moderatix, lol!

, raincrone@j...

wrote:

> > I am new here and am surprised at the wicken bit.

>

> Wiccan, please. I'm a Wiccan clergywoman, and I commented once

> here on the similarity between many of our feasts and those of

> Judaism. There are strong historical links between them.

> The reception was positive; people were interested and accepting.

> So I've continued to post recipes occasionally that would work for

> BOTH traditions. Note what I said:

>

> > Here's a vegan recipe for this or any other harvest festival.

>

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

>

> But if the moderatrix wants me to stop, I will. Gabriella?

July 29, 2004

BS " D

It may be ignorant of me or intolerant, only before the recipe was given, it

advertised/ flagged wiccan.

I believe that there is a Jewish law (Halachah) that says that one should not

derive any benefit from idol worship.

Are there any Bnei Noach in here? It would be nice if there were! (For those

who don't know what the Bnei Noach Movement is, they are a group of monotheistic

gentile who abide by the Torah and keep the 7 Noachide Laws)

_________________________

Re: for Lammas (or any other feast of first harvest)

Shalom, Tsila! Nothing to be upset about!

Yes, this is a Jewish group and 95% of the members are Jewish. We

discuss vegetarian recipes AND Classic Jewish recipes in a vegetarian

adaptation.

However, not everybody here is Jewish, and I tolerate every member's

beliefs as long as it does not become a point of discussion.

The lady who posted the recipe is Pagan, not a Wicca by the way, and

has posted some of the most exciting recipes here and very

challenging threats for several discussions.

So I hope this does not lead to any further misunderstandings and we

can offer the same tolerance as we accept from others.

Warm regards,

Gabriella

, Tsila

<tsilagroup> wrote:

>

> BS " D

>

> I am new here and am surprised at the wicken bit. I thought this

was a JEWISH board. ??? Can anyone explain this??????

>

July 30, 2004

I>t may be ignorant of me or intolerant, only before the recipe was

> given, it advertised/ flagged wiccan.

_

Okay, you've got it spelled right, thanks. I appreciate that. But

just for good manners, it should be capitalized, please, like the

name of any other religion. I mean, I don't call you " jewish " . :-)

> I believe that there is a Jewish law (Halachah) that says that one

> should not derive any benefit from idol worship.

_

I don't worship idols. I worship the ancient Gods and Goddesses,

all of Whom are ultimately faces or facets of the One Who Is.

Judge for yourself if that's polytheism or monotheism; to me

it's both. But please don't equate it with idol-worship.

If you care to learn more about what we believe, you

might find a copy of Starhawk's _The Spiral Dance_; it's an

excellent start, and most public libraries have it. Or Scott

Cunningham's _Wicca: A Guide for the Solitary Practitioner_

is excellent if you want something briefer.

Peace,

Rain

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July 30, 2004

Ummm.... I don't want to come out against free speech or anything, and

this is Gabriella's list, but perhaps you don't understand how important

that distinction might be to a person of orthodox jewish faith. I don't

know if you are coming from a position in which you have left the jewish

faith for your current choice or if you have never been jewish, but to a

torah observant orthodox believer, like the original poster seems to be,

what you describe is idol worship because an idol is any other elohim

(mighty one) other than hashem (G-d).

I don't want to see a war break out over this, because I came here to

see how to convert my recipes calling for schmaltz (smile), but I do see

the poster point in that if this is a " jewish " recipe list than one

would not expect to see a wiccan recipe. I think it is more an issue of

safety than anything else. I saw your description and choose to delete

that message because I do not wish to participate or desire to learn

about pagan practises, but maybe the other reader was caught of guard

and unaware of Gabriella's standards for posting. Personally I try to

keep torah and eat accordingly and can filter out that which doesn't

fit, but sometimes people who are new users can't or don't know how to

do that.

I didn't mean to argue theology with you Rain, but to a torah observant

jewish person, Yhwh and the other elohim you mention are not one and to

claim so is offensive to the orthodox. To even spell the word G-d is

offensive to some. In the torah, it is clearly stated that one is

either a worshiper of Yhwh or a worshiper of idols. If that's semantics

for you, that's okay, but to an orthodox jewish believer, it is very

important and an elemental part of faith.

And, finally, I can't say whether the poster is an native born speaker

of english or not, but in hebrew there are no capital letters versus

lower case. It is all the same, so it is possible that no insult was

meant by using lower case. Please note that I have written both jewish

and wicccan with the lower case letters. It's not about manners, in my

opinion. In my path to faith I have discovered that alot of things

which are capitalized in english because of tradition, actually but a

wrong emphasis on things and have stopped doing that. Days of the week,

months and other things which reflect the names of pagan elohim/idols is

something we are commanded to not elevate and so I no longer capitalize

them. That's just fyi.

BL

raincrone wrote:

>Okay, you've got it spelled right, thanks. I appreciate that. But

>just for good manners, it should be capitalized, please, like the

>name of any other religion. I mean, I don't call you " jewish " . :-)

>

>>I believe that there is a Jewish law (Halachah) that says that one

>>should not derive any benefit from idol worship.

>>

>

>_

>I don't worship idols. I worship the ancient Gods and Goddesses,

>all of Whom are ultimately faces or facets of the One Who Is.

>Judge for yourself if that's polytheism or monotheism; to me

>it's both. But please don't equate it with idol-worship.

>

July 30, 2004

Thank you, Brenda-Lee for this statement that does certainly express

the feeling of most members.

I suggest we avoid further discussions about any topics not closely

connected to the group, and continue to co-exist on this list without

anyone having the feeling of being disturbed.

I sincerely hope nobody is upset about that and have to admit sadly,

that one member of the group has already left.

Shalom to all of you!

Gabriella

, Brenda-Lee

<shalomaleichemacadem@m...> wrote:

> > I don't want to see a war break out over this, because I came

here to

> see how to convert my recipes calling for schmaltz (smile), but I

do see

> the poster point in that if this is a " jewish " recipe list than one

> would not expect to see a wiccan recipe.

July 30, 2004

Brenda Lee,

Thankyou for your clear diplomatic post. I am new here and this is my first

post. I grew up conservative jewish here in NY, on Long Island. It was

enlightening to me to get a better understanding, so much of what you explained

was never mentioned at my own schul. Looking forward to learning and eating .

thanks, Rachel

Brenda-Lee <shalomaleichemacadem wrote: