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Ok, tell me, am I taking the no cruelty to animals thing a little too

far? I just told someone I couldn't go to a fireworks do because I

think the noisy fireworks are unfair to animals (wild and domestic)

because they scare the shit out of them. I felt like I was telling

them I stick pencils in my ears and pants on my head for fun! am I

mad or does anyone else boycott fireworks nights?!!

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Hi Hayley,

 

No I do not think you are mad by thinking that. I do not celebrate bonfire night because of what it represents.

 

I have known animals die due to the noise and the cruel things kids do on the run up to it. I hate watching seeing them suffer for some pathetic event that no-one remembers what it is about which, happened soo long ago.

 

...Its all commercialism, consumerism and I am totally against that.

 

 

Peace

 

Karen

 

 

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Hayley

vegan-network

Wednesday, October 18, 2000 4:50 PM

taking it too far?

Ok, tell me, am I taking the no cruelty to animals thing a little too far? I just told someone I couldn't go to a fireworks do because I think the noisy fireworks are unfair to animals (wild and domestic) because they scare the shit out of them. I felt like I was telling them I stick pencils in my ears and pants on my head for fun! am I mad or does anyone else boycott fireworks nights?!!

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Hi,

I agree - I don't think you are taking anything too far in this boycott - many people and animals are injured or worse on that night every year. The burning of the 'guy' is rather sick too I feel. We see fireworks from our house - the kids do find that fun but I wouldn't want to go and watch an effigy of a man being burnt - how is this really supposed to be a good thing?

 

just my thoughts

 

Lucy

 

Karen Jones <KazzaJellyvegan-network <vegan-network >19 October 2000 20:14Re: taking it too far?

Hi Hayley,

 

No I do not think you are mad by thinking that. I do not celebrate bonfire night because of what it represents.

 

I have known animals die due to the noise and the cruel things kids do on the run up to it. I hate watching seeing them suffer for some pathetic event that no-one remembers what it is about which, happened soo long ago.

 

...Its all commercialism, consumerism and I am totally against that.

 

 

Peace

 

Karen

 

 

-

Hayley

vegan-network

Wednesday, October 18, 2000 4:50 PM

taking it too far?

Ok, tell me, am I taking the no cruelty to animals thing a little too far? I just told someone I couldn't go to a fireworks do because I think the noisy fireworks are unfair to animals (wild and domestic) because they scare the shit out of them. I felt like I was telling them I stick pencils in my ears and pants on my head for fun! am I mad or does anyone else boycott fireworks nights?!!

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> I agree - I don't think you are taking anything too far in this boycott -

> many people and animals are injured or worse on that night every year.

 

I don't think that's any reason not to boycott fireworks night. I don't

boycott Christmas because people eat Turkeys. I just make sure that I'm not

involved in anything that would involve cruelty. You can make fireworks

night animal friendly just as you can make your weekly shopping animal

friendly.

 

> The burning of the 'guy' is rather sick too I feel.

 

Dressing up as a decaying corpse isn't exactly flowers and sunlight but

people do it every year for Halloween. Go to any action movie in the cinema

and you can see far sicker simulated violence. It's all fantasy though, and

people enjoy it, even (and especially it seems) dark fantasy.

 

Vaughan

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Hi Vaughan,

 

Well yes - each to his/her own.

 

Burning people at the stake was not always a fantasy though - and I choose not to take my children to a 'simulation' or celebration of it just as I don't take them to violent movies or feed them meat etc. etc. etc. We do still watch the fireworks from our house.

Our cats and dog will be frightened on that night whatever choices we make - I shall keep them in to avoid injury though.

 

Have a good November the 5th anyway whatever you do - not meaning to judge you on your view - just differing :)

 

Lucy

 

BTW - November the 1st - World Vegan Day - anyone doing anything interesting for that?

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Glad to hear I'm not the only one who avoids these things. I think

the trouble with going to a fireworks night is that you are giving

money to see them and therefore creating for demand for something

that can injure animals. By taking part in Christmas you are not

creating demand for turkeys....I know what I mean but I can't explain

it very well! :) I guess you could have your own celebration but

then again it is all about celebrating some bloke getting hung, drawn

and quartered isn't it?! not very nice!

 

I didn't think about the injury part though - thanks for letting me

know Lucy - I'll definately not go now! Must admit, I do like

watching them from the window too, though!

 

Have a good weekend everyone,

H.

 

 

vegan-network , Vaughan <vaughan-vn@b...> wrote:

> > I agree - I don't think you are taking anything too far in this

boycott -

> > many people and animals are injured or worse on that night every

year.

>

> I don't think that's any reason not to boycott fireworks night. I

don't

> boycott Christmas because people eat Turkeys. I just make sure that

I'm not

> involved in anything that would involve cruelty. You can make

fireworks

> night animal friendly just as you can make your weekly shopping

animal

> friendly.

>

> > The burning of the 'guy' is rather sick too I feel.

>

> Dressing up as a decaying corpse isn't exactly flowers and sunlight

but

> people do it every year for Halloween. Go to any action movie in

the cinema

> and you can see far sicker simulated violence. It's all fantasy

though, and

> people enjoy it, even (and especially it seems) dark fantasy.

>

> Vaughan

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