Guest guest Posted October 22, 2000 Report Share Posted October 22, 2000 Did anyone watch 'Beastly Business' on BBC2 last night? It was about animal rights extremists and the tactics they use. It showed loads of images of animal cruelty; I had to cover my eyes and I was nearly crying. I did cry when they mentioned the death of Jill Phipps-what a loss. Sue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 22, 2000 Report Share Posted October 22, 2000 I also watched the BBC2 program last night. I found it very disturbing how people try to justify things like sending letter bombs and attacking cars in the name of animal rights. Protesting is one thing but violence against others or property is another. Helen - <suzy.grayson <vegan-network > Sunday, October 22, 2000 5:38 PM Beastly Business > Did anyone watch 'Beastly Business' on BBC2 last night? It was about > animal rights extremists and the tactics they use. It showed loads of > images of animal cruelty; I had to cover my eyes and I was nearly > crying. I did cry when they mentioned the death of Jill Phipps-what a > loss. > > Sue > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 24, 2000 Report Share Posted October 24, 2000 Mmmm... I understand your point of view - the topic of direct action is a complex one Many AR people believe in direct action and many do not, saying it contradicts the message of peace and non - cruelty we are trying to achieve As I understand it, the ALF choose targets very carefully and it is ALWAYS property, not people Unlike the people who work in the labs, and the huntsmen, and the furriers, and the farmers and the breeders for vivisection and the...well you get my drift....who make a living every day out of suffering and torment and death I don't think we should ever be too quick to judge any actions in the name of animal rights - clearly these people feel very angry and desperate about what they see And let's not forget - AR people can end up in hospital or even dead because of the actions from people on the other side - the latest hunt sab casualty is lying in hospital in intensive care as we speak because a member of the hunt thought it would be funny to drive his Land Rover over him It works both ways I see far more atrocities and suffering caused by fighting in the name of religion, land ownership etc. These people deliberately set out to injure each other and we have heads of states sitting round a table essentially sanctioning killing and maiming of people, including young children To my knowledge there has only been one death attributed to the fight for animal rights (not including actual AR people fighting the cause where the figure is higher), some may say one death too many - I say that, given the high emotions surrounding the topic, and the millions of deaths of animals EVERY YEAR, that's a pretty good track record At the end of the day it takes some sick pervert to inflict pain or suffering on an animal and as you may well all be aware the RSPCA is commissioning a study into the link between people who begin with animal abuse and move onto people. I am mortified if I accidentally knock my dog or step on his foot and he yelps (doesn't happen very often!) - can you imagine the type of person it would take to pick up a beagle puppy (we all know how beautiful they are) who is cowering at the back of his barren shit ridden kennel. He starts urinating involuntarily when they pick him up because he is so scared, they take him to a lab, strap him into a contraption or onto a table on his back and force feeding him chemicals or cigarette smoke or god knows what else until he passes out? And then taking this delicate, limp, lifeless body back to his barren shit ridden kennel where he then endures vomiting, diahrrea, listlessness, and God knows what else, and his sorry little life ends with the jab of a needle or through the effects of what he has been given - I don't want to upset anyone here but this is the reality What type of sicko can do this? I don't think we should judge those types who use direct action too harshly I can only imagine that they feel very desperate about the plight of these animals > " Helen Coney " <helen_c >vegan-network ><vegan-network > >Re: Beastly Business >Sun, 22 Oct 2000 20:54:36 +0100 > >I also watched the BBC2 program last night. I found it very disturbing how >people try to justify things like sending letter bombs and attacking cars >in >the name of animal rights. Protesting is one thing but violence against >others or property is another. > >Helen >- ><suzy.grayson ><vegan-network > >Sunday, October 22, 2000 5:38 PM > Beastly Business > > > > Did anyone watch 'Beastly Business' on BBC2 last night? It was about > > animal rights extremists and the tactics they use. It showed loads of > > images of animal cruelty; I had to cover my eyes and I was nearly > > crying. I did cry when they mentioned the death of Jill Phipps-what a > > loss. > > > > Sue > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 24, 2000 Report Share Posted October 24, 2000 Well people, I also totally understand how frustration leads people to violence against animal abusers. I have been very close to it myself. It is not the method I would chose now in my safe middleclass bullshit lifestyle, but I have a lot more respect respect for these people than any asshole burger eating , bovine tit sucking, motherfucker prick who suffers at the end of their wrath!!! p.s. www.ekokidz.com is coming soon!! mrbig Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 24, 2000 Report Share Posted October 24, 2000 I can understand the anger that leads to violent actions though it is not my way - the abuse suffered by animals is horrendous. I didn't see the program in question but I know TV can be very 'geared' to promote a certain view. There was a program on about 4 years ago on Channel 4 which was actually on the side of the ALF and let them have their say - the media often reports very innaccurately on this issue. It had Keith Mann on speaking about his 14 year (I think) sentence. He didn't harm anyone - rapists get a lot less. had a look at ekokidz - what ARE those things? Slightly hypnotic effect there! Lucy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 25, 2000 Report Share Posted October 25, 2000 THOSE THINGS...as Lucy so kindly put it....are the ekokidz...and very soon they will be doing all the things I never had the courage to do....and hopefully give vegan kids something radical to stuff down the throats of any brainwashed disney/mccdonalds kiddies... xoxoxox mrbig Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 25, 2000 Report Share Posted October 25, 2000 I look forward to seeing them - did not mean to offend them by calling them 'things'! Lucy mrbig <mrbigvegan-network <vegan-network >25 October 2000 02:53Re: Beastly Business THOSE THINGS...as Lucy so kindly put it....are the ekokidz...and very soon they will be doing all the things I never had the courage to do....and hopefully give vegan kids something radical to stuff down the throats of any brainwashed disney/mccdonalds kiddies... xoxoxox mrbig Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 26, 2000 Report Share Posted October 26, 2000 AMEN MY FRIEND, AMEN Anyway will you and your wife be joining us for the meal on the 11th - we'd really love to see you - you sound like very cool people I know it's difficult with the little one but if you can make it that would be great Another person leading a safe middle class bullshit lifestyle > " mrbig " <mrbig >vegan-network ><vegan-network > >Re: Beastly Business >Tue, 24 Oct 2000 21:32:11 +0100 > > Well people, I also totally understand how frustration leads people to >violence against animal abusers. I have been very close to it myself. It is >not the method I would chose now in my safe middleclass bullshit lifestyle, >but I have a lot more respect respect for these people than any asshole >burger eating , bovine tit sucking, motherfucker prick who suffers at the >end of their wrath!!! > > > p.s. www.ekokidz.com is coming soon!! > > > mrbig > > _______________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 27, 2000 Report Share Posted October 27, 2000 as I said...your all welcomexoxox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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