Guest guest Posted October 26, 2000 Report Share Posted October 26, 2000 I hope my last message didn't come accross the wrong way. I didn't mean it to sound like I was having a go at people who take conventional medicines as I know that some people literally don't have a choice for whatever reason. I'm lucky enough not to need to take anything right now and I think my point was that its really hard for us when we do get ill because we have to make these choices. I was talking to someone about it last night and realised that if conventional medicine is going to help us save thousands of animal lives through any work that we do to help stop testing then I think if you asked the animals they would be willing to sacrifice a few lives in order to help. Anyway, I won't ramble on about this becuase I will be here forever, but I just wanted to say I'm sorry if I offended anyone and I didn't mean to. Did anyone see the Money Programme on HLS last night? Great that these issues are now on tv. I think they covered it fairly well but could have given a few more facts to support the Animal Rights people. Having said that I missed a lot of it becuase I had to keep turning the tv off when they showed nasty pictures. The human species sucks doesn't it. vegan-network , " Hayley " <blue143@e...> wrote: > The medicine issue is such a difficult one isn't it? I'm fairly > healthy too and never take any antibiotics or anything. I really > hope that if I ever get really ill I will have the strength to refuse > any 'conventional' medicines and opt for the alternatives instead. > The trouble is it is so easy to say that now when I'm healthy. I > have no idea how it would feel to have a really bad illness and I > should imagine the survival instinct kicks in pretty strongly. But > how do you justify taking one or several lives to keep your own? I > like to think that we all have a pathway in life and that when our > time comes our time comes and we shouldn't be 'kept' alive. But I > reckon it would take a huge strength of character to refuse some > treatment that could give you another ten years or so. I'm going to > make a real effort to look after my body from now on! Has anyone > ever considered a raw food diet btw? > > ...did anyone see that sick program where the bloke got a dead man's > hand attached to his wrist. Gross! They were talking about using > new techniques of taking some part of a pig foetus's brain out and > putting it into a human brain. How screwed-up is that!! Plus if it > wasn't hard enough already to convince these nasty scientists that > animals count, they've also been using human foetuses! scary, scary > stuff. > > vegan-network , " Karen Jones " <KazzaJelly@h...> > wrote: > > Hello Lucy, > > > > Thank you for the advice, I have just moved to Wakefield and > finding it very hard to find places suitable for vegans (I can't even > find a Holland and Barrett). I think I will pop back to my home town > to see the herbalist there. I need to get it sorted as it has been > going on for a while now, I do not have much faith in traditional > doctors. It seemed to have started when I turned vegan and I suffer > in silence with it, because people are just waiting to condemn me > when I suffer with minor ailments so they can blame it on my vegan > diet. I am always telling them that I don't catch the '24 hour bug' > or colds like everyone else because I am in such good health being > vegan. > > > > I agree with you regarding an improvement in health when switching > to veganism. I was always in good health prior to turning vegan, but > even better health now. > > > > Karen > > - > > lucyburnett > > vegan-network > > Saturday, October 21, 2000 2:57 PM > > Re: Medicines > > > > > > Hi Karen, > > I feel much the same as you about medicine and use herbal > preparations for colds in the winter etc. though since going vegan > weve all been very healthy anyway. I also used to suffer severe > monthly pain prior to being vegan. I know there are herbs that can > help with this and also flower remedies can have a balancing effect > on our female bits and pieces. It might be worth seeing a herbalist > if you feel so inclined. > > > > Lucy (hoping men don't start leaving the list in droves after > this subject !!) > > http://www.veganfamily.co.uk > > > > > > eGroups Sponsor > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 6, 2000 Report Share Posted November 6, 2000 Hi, I have just read the stuff you have written on taking medicine. There is absolutely no reason why humans or animals need traditional allopathic medicine. There is no reason for taking it as there are so many amazing alternatives. Homeopathy is just one alternative and it works wonders. There are homeopathic vets and you can take liquid based remedies with no animal products in whatsoever so I don't understand why anyone feels that they are gonna take trad medicine if they are vegan. I know it's all a choice at the end of the day but how can we bleat on about people not wearing leather shoes and then in the next breath take some pills that have caused suffering to thousands of animals lives? Angela >--- Original Message --- > " Hayley " <blue143 >vegan-network >10/26/00 8:13:33 AM > >I hope my last message didn't come accross the wrong way. I didn't >mean it to sound like I was having a go at people who take >conventional medicines as I know that some people literally don't >have a choice for whatever reason. I'm lucky enough not to need to >take anything right now and I think my point was that its really hard >for us when we do get ill because we have to make these choices. I >was talking to someone about it last night and realised that if >conventional medicine is going to help us save thousands of animal >lives through any work that we do to help stop testing then I think >if you asked the animals they would be willing to sacrifice a few >lives in order to help. Anyway, I won't ramble on about this becuase >I will be here forever, but I just wanted to say I'm sorry if I >offended anyone and I didn't mean to. > >Did anyone see the Money Programme on HLS last night? Great that >these issues are now on tv. I think they covered it fairly well but >could have given a few more facts to support the Animal Rights >people. Having said that I missed a lot of it becuase I had to keep >turning the tv off when they showed nasty pictures. The human >species sucks doesn't it. > > >vegan-network , " Hayley " <blue143@e...> wrote: >> The medicine issue is such a difficult one isn't it? I'm fairly >> healthy too and never take any antibiotics or anything. I really >> hope that if I ever get really ill I will have the strength to >refuse >> any 'conventional' medicines and opt for the alternatives instead. >> The trouble is it is so easy to say that now when I'm healthy. I >> have no idea how it would feel to have a really bad illness and I >> should imagine the survival instinct kicks in pretty strongly. But >> how do you justify taking one or several lives to keep your own? I >> like to think that we all have a pathway in life and that when our >> time comes our time comes and we shouldn't be 'kept' alive. But I >> reckon it would take a huge strength of character to refuse some >> treatment that could give you another ten years or so. I'm going >to >> make a real effort to look after my body from now on! Has anyone >> ever considered a raw food diet btw? >> >> ...did anyone see that sick program where the bloke got a dead >man's >> hand attached to his wrist. Gross! They were talking about using >> new techniques of taking some part of a pig foetus's brain out and >> putting it into a human brain. How screwed-up is that!! Plus if >it >> wasn't hard enough already to convince these nasty scientists that >> animals count, they've also been using human foetuses! scary, >scary >> stuff. >> >> vegan-network , " Karen Jones " <kazzajelly@h...> >> wrote: >> > Hello Lucy, >> > >> > Thank you for the advice, I have just moved to Wakefield and >> finding it very hard to find places suitable for vegans (I can't >even >> find a Holland and Barrett). I think I will pop back to my home >town >> to see the herbalist there. I need to get it sorted as it has been >> going on for a while now, I do not have much faith in traditional >> doctors. It seemed to have started when I turned vegan and I suffer >> in silence with it, because people are just waiting to condemn me >> when I suffer with minor ailments so they can blame it on my vegan >> diet. I am always telling them that I don't catch the '24 hour bug' >> or colds like everyone else because I am in such good health being >> vegan. >> > >> > I agree with you regarding an improvement in health when >switching >> to veganism. I was always in good health prior to turning vegan, >but >> even better health now. >> > >> > Karen >> > - >> > lucyburnett >> > vegan-network >> > Saturday, October 21, 2000 2:57 PM >> > Re: Medicines >> > >> > >> > Hi Karen, >> > I feel much the same as you about medicine and use herbal >> preparations for colds in the winter etc. though since going vegan >> weve all been very healthy anyway. I also used to suffer severe >> monthly pain prior to being vegan. I know there are herbs that can >> help with this and also flower remedies can have a balancing effect >> on our female bits and pieces. It might be worth seeing a herbalist >> if you feel so inclined. >> > >> > Lucy (hoping men don't start leaving the list in droves after >> this subject !!) >> > http://www.veganfamily.co.uk >> > >> > >> > eGroups Sponsor >> > >> > >> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 6, 2000 Report Share Posted November 6, 2000 You need to go back and read the email I wrote before this one! I'm against conventional medicine too! In fact, I'm on a mission to become super-healthy so that I never have to take anything at all! vegan-network , " Angela Johnson " <borg_queen@c...> wrote: > > Hi, > I have just read the stuff you have written on taking medicine. > There is absolutely no reason why humans or animals need traditional > allopathic medicine. There is no reason for taking it as there > are so many amazing alternatives. Homeopathy is just one alternative > and it works wonders. There are homeopathic vets and you can > take liquid based remedies with no animal products in whatsoever > so I don't understand why anyone feels that they are gonna take > trad medicine if they are vegan. I know it's all a choice at > the end of the day but how can we bleat on about people not wearing > leather shoes and then in the next breath take some pills that > have caused suffering to thousands of animals lives? > > Angela > >--- Original Message --- > > " Hayley " <blue143@e...> > >vegan-network > >10/26/00 8:13:33 AM > > > > >I hope my last message didn't come accross the wrong way. I > didn't > >mean it to sound like I was having a go at people who take > >conventional medicines as I know that some people literally > don't > >have a choice for whatever reason. I'm lucky enough not to > need to > >take anything right now and I think my point was that its really > hard > >for us when we do get ill because we have to make these choices. > I > >was talking to someone about it last night and realised that > if > >conventional medicine is going to help us save thousands of > animal > >lives through any work that we do to help stop testing then > I think > >if you asked the animals they would be willing to sacrifice > a few > >lives in order to help. Anyway, I won't ramble on about this > becuase > >I will be here forever, but I just wanted to say I'm sorry if > I > >offended anyone and I didn't mean to. > > > >Did anyone see the Money Programme on HLS last night? Great > that > >these issues are now on tv. I think they covered it fairly > well but > >could have given a few more facts to support the Animal Rights > > >people. Having said that I missed a lot of it becuase I had > to keep > >turning the tv off when they showed nasty pictures. The human > > >species sucks doesn't it. > > > > > >vegan-network , " Hayley " <blue143@e...> wrote: > >> The medicine issue is such a difficult one isn't it? I'm > fairly > >> healthy too and never take any antibiotics or anything. I > really > >> hope that if I ever get really ill I will have the strength > to > >refuse > >> any 'conventional' medicines and opt for the alternatives > instead. > >> The trouble is it is so easy to say that now when I'm healthy. > I > >> have no idea how it would feel to have a really bad illness > and I > >> should imagine the survival instinct kicks in pretty strongly. > But > >> how do you justify taking one or several lives to keep your > own? I > >> like to think that we all have a pathway in life and that > when our > >> time comes our time comes and we shouldn't be 'kept' alive. > But I > >> reckon it would take a huge strength of character to refuse > some > >> treatment that could give you another ten years or so. I'm > going > >to > >> make a real effort to look after my body from now on! Has > anyone > >> ever considered a raw food diet btw? > >> > >> ...did anyone see that sick program where the bloke got a > dead > >man's > >> hand attached to his wrist. Gross! They were talking about > using > >> new techniques of taking some part of a pig foetus's brain > out and > >> putting it into a human brain. How screwed-up is that!! > Plus if > >it > >> wasn't hard enough already to convince these nasty scientists > that > >> animals count, they've also been using human foetuses! scary, > > >scary > >> stuff. > >> > >> vegan-network , " Karen Jones " <kazzajelly@h...> > > >> wrote: > >> > Hello Lucy, > >> > > >> > Thank you for the advice, I have just moved to Wakefield > and > >> finding it very hard to find places suitable for vegans (I > can't > >even > >> find a Holland and Barrett). I think I will pop back to my > home > >town > >> to see the herbalist there. I need to get it sorted as it > has been > >> going on for a while now, I do not have much faith in traditional > > >> doctors. It seemed to have started when I turned vegan and > I suffer > >> in silence with it, because people are just waiting to condemn > me > >> when I suffer with minor ailments so they can blame it on > my vegan > >> diet. I am always telling them that I don't catch the '24 > hour bug' > >> or colds like everyone else because I am in such good health > being > >> vegan. > >> > > >> > I agree with you regarding an improvement in health when > > >switching > >> to veganism. I was always in good health prior to turning > vegan, > >but > >> even better health now. > >> > > >> > Karen > >> > - > >> > lucyburnett > >> > vegan-network > >> > Saturday, October 21, 2000 2:57 PM > >> > Re: Medicines > >> > > >> > > >> > Hi Karen, > >> > I feel much the same as you about medicine and use herbal > > >> preparations for colds in the winter etc. though since going > vegan > >> weve all been very healthy anyway. I also used to suffer severe > > >> monthly pain prior to being vegan. I know there are herbs > that can > >> help with this and also flower remedies can have a balancing > effect > >> on our female bits and pieces. It might be worth seeing a > herbalist > >> if you feel so inclined. > >> > > >> > Lucy (hoping men don't start leaving the list in droves > after > >> this subject !!) > >> > http://www.veganfamily.co.uk > >> > > >> > > >> > eGroups Sponsor > >> > > >> > > >> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 25, 2000 Report Share Posted November 25, 2000 Sorry - I've come in a bit late on this one but I have to disagree with you Angela - I'm recovering from a nervous breakdown and at the time my Homeopathic Doctor positively encouraged me to seek conventional medicinal help whilst I was at my worst Don't get me wrong - I fought against taking conventional medicine for a long time (probably too long) but in the end I had no choice I think the point is that if people didn't rely as heavily as they do on conventional medicine we wouldn't have these multi national corporate companies making such obscene amounts of money out of peoples' suffering - and people wouldn't feel they had to pop a pill for ever minor ailment I understand your passion regarding alternative medicines though - I too am a great believer not only in that but also in prevention rather than cure as I'm sure you are Regards ps. they are Vegan though! > " Angela Johnson " <borg_queen >vegan-network >blue143 vegan-network >RE: Re: Medicines+Money Programme >Mon, 6 Nov 2000 00:56:01 -0800 > > >Hi, >I have just read the stuff you have written on taking medicine. > There is absolutely no reason why humans or animals need traditional >allopathic medicine. There is no reason for taking it as there >are so many amazing alternatives. Homeopathy is just one alternative >and it works wonders. There are homeopathic vets and you can >take liquid based remedies with no animal products in whatsoever >so I don't understand why anyone feels that they are gonna take >trad medicine if they are vegan. I know it's all a choice at >the end of the day but how can we bleat on about people not wearing >leather shoes and then in the next breath take some pills that >have caused suffering to thousands of animals lives? > >Angela > >--- Original Message --- > > " Hayley " <blue143 > >vegan-network > >10/26/00 8:13:33 AM > > > > >I hope my last message didn't come accross the wrong way. I >didn't > >mean it to sound like I was having a go at people who take > >conventional medicines as I know that some people literally >don't > >have a choice for whatever reason. I'm lucky enough not to >need to > >take anything right now and I think my point was that its really >hard > >for us when we do get ill because we have to make these choices. > I > >was talking to someone about it last night and realised that >if > >conventional medicine is going to help us save thousands of >animal > >lives through any work that we do to help stop testing then >I think > >if you asked the animals they would be willing to sacrifice >a few > >lives in order to help. Anyway, I won't ramble on about this >becuase > >I will be here forever, but I just wanted to say I'm sorry if >I > >offended anyone and I didn't mean to. > > > >Did anyone see the Money Programme on HLS last night? Great >that > >these issues are now on tv. I think they covered it fairly >well but > >could have given a few more facts to support the Animal Rights > > >people. Having said that I missed a lot of it becuase I had >to keep > >turning the tv off when they showed nasty pictures. The human > > >species sucks doesn't it. > > > > > >vegan-network , " Hayley " <blue143@e...> wrote: > >> The medicine issue is such a difficult one isn't it? I'm >fairly > >> healthy too and never take any antibiotics or anything. I >really > >> hope that if I ever get really ill I will have the strength >to > >refuse > >> any 'conventional' medicines and opt for the alternatives >instead. > >> The trouble is it is so easy to say that now when I'm healthy. > I > >> have no idea how it would feel to have a really bad illness >and I > >> should imagine the survival instinct kicks in pretty strongly. > But > >> how do you justify taking one or several lives to keep your >own? I > >> like to think that we all have a pathway in life and that >when our > >> time comes our time comes and we shouldn't be 'kept' alive. > But I > >> reckon it would take a huge strength of character to refuse >some > >> treatment that could give you another ten years or so. I'm >going > >to > >> make a real effort to look after my body from now on! Has >anyone > >> ever considered a raw food diet btw? > >> > >> ...did anyone see that sick program where the bloke got a >dead > >man's > >> hand attached to his wrist. Gross! They were talking about >using > >> new techniques of taking some part of a pig foetus's brain >out and > >> putting it into a human brain. How screwed-up is that!! >Plus if > >it > >> wasn't hard enough already to convince these nasty scientists >that > >> animals count, they've also been using human foetuses! scary, > > >scary > >> stuff. > >> > >> vegan-network , " Karen Jones " <kazzajelly@h...> > > >> wrote: > >> > Hello Lucy, > >> > > >> > Thank you for the advice, I have just moved to Wakefield >and > >> finding it very hard to find places suitable for vegans (I >can't > >even > >> find a Holland and Barrett). I think I will pop back to my >home > >town > >> to see the herbalist there. I need to get it sorted as it >has been > >> going on for a while now, I do not have much faith in traditional > > >> doctors. It seemed to have started when I turned vegan and >I suffer > >> in silence with it, because people are just waiting to condemn >me > >> when I suffer with minor ailments so they can blame it on >my vegan > >> diet. I am always telling them that I don't catch the '24 >hour bug' > >> or colds like everyone else because I am in such good health >being > >> vegan. > >> > > >> > I agree with you regarding an improvement in health when > > >switching > >> to veganism. I was always in good health prior to turning >vegan, > >but > >> even better health now. > >> > > >> > Karen > >> > - > >> > lucyburnett > >> > vegan-network > >> > Saturday, October 21, 2000 2:57 PM > >> > Re: Medicines > >> > > >> > > >> > Hi Karen, > >> > I feel much the same as you about medicine and use herbal > > >> preparations for colds in the winter etc. though since going >vegan > >> weve all been very healthy anyway. I also used to suffer severe > > >> monthly pain prior to being vegan. I know there are herbs >that can > >> help with this and also flower remedies can have a balancing >effect > >> on our female bits and pieces. It might be worth seeing a >herbalist > >> if you feel so inclined. > >> > > >> > Lucy (hoping men don't start leaving the list in droves >after > >> this subject !!) > >> > http://www.veganfamily.co.uk > >> > > >> > > >> > eGroups Sponsor > >> > > >> > > >> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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