Planet Vega

[Guest guest]

hey guys,

 

you dont need to quote the whole of the last mesage in you mails, please!

 

Just a few lines will do.

 

the-list-housekeeper-of-the-internet [ ... who has to tidying away all

the used quotations at the end of the day ].

 

On topic :

 

Is a meat eater a vegan for the other 22 hours of the day that s/he is

not chewing beef?

 

I dont think so.

 

I am surprised that those folk said that and wonder how " real " their

statement was or if it was just a concept that they were playing with. It

sort of ties in other beliefs such as scientific evolutionism that I dont

wholy buy into, i.e. that we were apes that mysteriously became cavemen

went around bonking cavewomen on the head and wrestling with mammoths;

and some how that is natural and OK.

 

Hunting is an extremely energy/nutrition inefficent way of feeding and

*if* they evolved from hunters, I certainly evolved from gatherers. Much

moreso I think that whole mythic vision of evolution - and the new

age/survivalist revival stuff - was just developed my steak and fries

Iron John guys defending their vested interest or meat and two veg

theorists. The science of it is highly unscientific.

 

I resign myself to the fact that veganism is not " natural " in that

retrospective perspective but highly evolved, " spiritual " and

metropolitan. Truth be I dont realy even buy into the " noble savage " myth

either. I dont see that bless someone before you kill them make it any

better. " Oh thank you, I feel so much better for that .... eurhhhhkk! " .

I am sure they had meat and two veg Souix who just liked their steak;

whereas other tribes were primarly vegetarian gatherers. Sure in both

cases that plant food made up a far greater proportion of the normal diet

that is today. We are not living in those days, we have no excuse.

 

Sometimes I just wonder if people are vegan just because it makes them

feel superior and this is their guiding spirit. I remember Moby's

comments about his way of life along this vein.

 

So would I ever eat animals or fish again? I always said no I would be

happier just to die. Actually, I am probably just too lazy to go and kill

anything and could not stand the smell of it later. As I get older, I do

worry about the long term effects because I think that it is still an

understudied phenomenon and that we - who ever sticks this path out - are

the guinea pigs.

 

The anemia thing is a worry and related damage to brain is a worry. The

only heal problem I increasingly note is forgetfulness but how much of it

is dietary and how much intrinsically consititutional I do not know. I do

accept that if I ate a little fish or even dairy that my initial health

would improve from what it is now. Sometimes I forget to eat at all.

Initially, at least if I went back to eat meat I would probably feel a

lot " stronger " - after the first bodily reaction. Such is the hit of raw

protein.

 

[ Talking about bodily reactions, about ten years ago I had dahl with

yoghurt unknowningly. 3 at night, up with a cold sweat, both ends at

once. Excuse the graphic details. But is amazing to be able to pin point

something ten years ago ].

 

I think also child rearing is a difficult area. Do we have enough case

studies to know what to expect? We need more vivisection experiment to

decide on this. Experiments on live human animals that is. 50 kids in one

lab for life, 50 in another. It'll take 70 years but, boy, what an

opportunity for funding.

 

I think that the difficult question is would you be happy to starve to

death if they cut your internet connection as well? That would be

difficult. Could we order veg boxes online?

 

In all, I have never got what it was that made people grip on so tightly

to this fairly miserable world that they would be happy to kill to

sustain it - or think that their " hellish broods " are so worthy of

defence. It is a part of the same ignorant " selfish gene " that drives

humanity to rationalise nationalism and war. Or in this case speciesism

and environment destruction. Joking apart, I have seen too often that

the very folk most motivated to survive are the ones that you would least

want to inherit the planet. I only hope that there are vegan planets out

there. Beam me up, Scotty.

 

Dying ain't such a bad thing to do ... as long as you have your internet

connection still up,

 

John