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> lol, wot made u turn vegan?

 

> Read some leaflets on the production of eggs+milk. needless to say i

> didn't want to eat them after that!!

>

 

i think this came up on this list a while ago, someone [ somewhere ]

mentioned about the heavy use of chicken manure in the artificial

cultivation of mushrooms and i wonder if anyone had confirmed this?

 

it would seem to be on an ethical par with leather financially supporting

the meat industry or honey.

 

knowing my mushrooms a little, i guess wild ones would still pass as

kosher and some breeds like shiitake that require special circumstances,

such as old tree trunks to grow on. but the common or garden supermarket

ones must be out then.

 

it is interesting that strict hindus, who know a bit about vegetarianism,

do not consider mushroom sattvic or pure although for slightly different

reason. just as they dont consider eggs to be either.

 

there was a shocking story in the evening standard the other week about a

women who bought a tray of free range quail eggs and out of curiosity

incubated them. out popped half a dozen little speckled chicks at the end

of it. a good awakener to those slacker vegetarian.

 

what sort of vegetable is a quail?

 

so are mushrooms off the menu?

 

john

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I don't know about mushrooms as I think they're gross! (look like

sliced slugs if you ask me!), but I was reading the other day that

some teas are tested on animals and was wondering what else we should

be avoiding due to animal testing. I suppose it would mainly be

artificial chemicals and things like that?

 

 

vegan-network, another john <jallan@f...> wrote:

> > lol, wot made u turn vegan?

>

> > Read some leaflets on the production of eggs+milk. needless to

say i

> > didn't want to eat them after that!!

> >

>

> i think this came up on this list a while ago, someone [

somewhere ]

> mentioned about the heavy use of chicken manure in the artificial

> cultivation of mushrooms and i wonder if anyone had confirmed this?

>

> it would seem to be on an ethical par with leather financially

supporting

> the meat industry or honey.

>

> knowing my mushrooms a little, i guess wild ones would still pass

as

> kosher and some breeds like shiitake that require special

circumstances,

> such as old tree trunks to grow on. but the common or garden

supermarket

> ones must be out then.

>

> it is interesting that strict hindus, who know a bit about

vegetarianism,

> do not consider mushroom sattvic or pure although for slightly

different

> reason. just as they dont consider eggs to be either.

>

> there was a shocking story in the evening standard the other week

about a

> women who bought a tray of free range quail eggs and out of

curiosity

> incubated them. out popped half a dozen little speckled chicks at

the end

> of it. a good awakener to those slacker vegetarian.

>

> what sort of vegetable is a quail?

>

> so are mushrooms off the menu?

>

> john

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a quail is a small bird!!

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" another john " <jallan

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Thursday, February 15, 2001 2:51 PM

re: just curious

 

 

> > lol, wot made u turn vegan?

>

> > Read some leaflets on the production of eggs+milk. needless to say i

> > didn't want to eat them after that!!

> >

>

> i think this came up on this list a while ago, someone [ somewhere ]

> mentioned about the heavy use of chicken manure in the artificial

> cultivation of mushrooms and i wonder if anyone had confirmed this?

>

> it would seem to be on an ethical par with leather financially supporting

> the meat industry or honey.

>

> knowing my mushrooms a little, i guess wild ones would still pass as

> kosher and some breeds like shiitake that require special circumstances,

> such as old tree trunks to grow on. but the common or garden supermarket

> ones must be out then.

>

> it is interesting that strict hindus, who know a bit about vegetarianism,

> do not consider mushroom sattvic or pure although for slightly different

> reason. just as they dont consider eggs to be either.

>

> there was a shocking story in the evening standard the other week about a

> women who bought a tray of free range quail eggs and out of curiosity

> incubated them. out popped half a dozen little speckled chicks at the end

> of it. a good awakener to those slacker vegetarian.

>

> what sort of vegetable is a quail?

>

> so are mushrooms off the menu?

>

> john

>

>

>

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bout a year ago my food tech. teacher wanted us to draw diagrams of

animal carcuses and label them: haunch, leg, etc.

so, i went up to her and told her that i didnt want to do it as i woz

vegetarian at the time. she didnt see why and proceeded to go on

about how it was almost certainly in the exam. then the whole class

got involved, lol, it woz v memorable. she made all sorts of

comments, one of which being that she'd been vegetarian for 7 years

but had stopped (she didnt tell me why) as if it would help, but then

she said that once she had a student who woz vegan, he wore no

leather, no wool, but he drew pictures of cheese (am i the only one

that thinks thats the last attempt of a desperate woman?). i won the

argument and didnt draw the diagrams.

but when i got home i thought about wot she said about vegans, first

just 2 spite her i read about them on the internet, wot i read

shocked me more than ive ever been before, i felt so sick and ashamed

of wot id inadvertently been a part of. i became vegan on the spot

and after dutiful searching found that all i could eat woz peanut

butter on dry crackers, lol

the look on my teachers face when she found out wot had happened i

will never forget, so instead of watching a demonstration from the

meat marketing board (fish demonstration) she got me to work out a

5min presentation about being veg for next lesson. wot shocked her

the most woz that it woz a success - and me i think!

i'll probably stop now!

 

vegan-network, suzy.grayson@n... wrote:

>

> > lol, wot made u turn vegan?

>

> Read some leaflets on the production of eggs+milk. needless to say

i

> didn't want to eat them after that!!

>

> what about u ?

>

> sue

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Shortly after I turned vegan I went to an all organic cafe in London,

ordered the stir-fry after being assured it was ok for me, then realised it

had honey in it. I stopped eating it, but although they didn't charge me

when I pointed out that something with honey wasn't considered vegan, they

weren't apologetic, and I was told that the chef wanted to speak to me. So I

speak to one of the chefs and he's got a bit of an accent so it's difficult

to understand him , but he was basically saying that if you eat mushrooms

then you might as well eat honey, because they grow mushrooms on bone-meal

and blood (or something). Plus, I know that a lot are grown on horse manure.

However, loads of vegetables, even organic, use bone & blood in the

commercial growing process as far as I know. Sorry to be negative, but as

far as I know the only way to be 100% vegan is to grow your own or be REALLY

careful about your sources.

 

>another john <jallan

>vegan-network

><vegan-network >

> re: just curious

>Thu, 15 Feb 01 14:51:33 +0000

>

> > lol, wot made u turn vegan?

>

> > Read some leaflets on the production of eggs+milk. needless to say i

> > didn't want to eat them after that!!

> >

>

>i think this came up on this list a while ago, someone [ somewhere ]

>mentioned about the heavy use of chicken manure in the artificial

>cultivation of mushrooms and i wonder if anyone had confirmed this?

>

>it would seem to be on an ethical par with leather financially supporting

>the meat industry or honey.

>

>knowing my mushrooms a little, i guess wild ones would still pass as

>kosher and some breeds like shiitake that require special circumstances,

>such as old tree trunks to grow on. but the common or garden supermarket

>ones must be out then.

>

>it is interesting that strict hindus, who know a bit about vegetarianism,

>do not consider mushroom sattvic or pure although for slightly different

>reason. just as they dont consider eggs to be either.

>

>there was a shocking story in the evening standard the other week about a

>women who bought a tray of free range quail eggs and out of curiosity

>incubated them. out popped half a dozen little speckled chicks at the end

>of it. a good awakener to those slacker vegetarian.

>

>what sort of vegetable is a quail?

>

>so are mushrooms off the menu?

>

>john

 

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so, is it best to buy organic or not?...and how can you really tell

that it is organic and not some marketing ploy to get our cash?!

 

 

vegan-network, " Emily Howarth " <dropscone@h...> wrote:

>

> Shortly after I turned vegan I went to an all organic cafe in

London,

> ordered the stir-fry after being assured it was ok for me, then

realised it

> had honey in it. I stopped eating it, but although they didn't

charge me

> when I pointed out that something with honey wasn't considered

vegan, they

> weren't apologetic, and I was told that the chef wanted to speak to

me. So I

> speak to one of the chefs and he's got a bit of an accent so it's

difficult

> to understand him , but he was basically saying that if you eat

mushrooms

> then you might as well eat honey, because they grow mushrooms on

bone-meal

> and blood (or something). Plus, I know that a lot are grown on

horse manure.

> However, loads of vegetables, even organic, use bone & blood in the

> commercial growing process as far as I know. Sorry to be negative,

but as

> far as I know the only way to be 100% vegan is to grow your own or

be REALLY

> careful about your sources.

>

> >another john <jallan@f...>

> >vegan-network

> ><vegan-network>

> > re: just curious

> >Thu, 15 Feb 01 14:51:33 +0000

> >

> > > lol, wot made u turn vegan?

> >

> > > Read some leaflets on the production of eggs+milk. needless to

say i

> > > didn't want to eat them after that!!

> > >

> >

> >i think this came up on this list a while ago, someone [

somewhere ]

> >mentioned about the heavy use of chicken manure in the artificial

> >cultivation of mushrooms and i wonder if anyone had confirmed this?

> >

> >it would seem to be on an ethical par with leather financially

supporting

> >the meat industry or honey.

> >

> >knowing my mushrooms a little, i guess wild ones would still pass

as

> >kosher and some breeds like shiitake that require special

circumstances,

> >such as old tree trunks to grow on. but the common or garden

supermarket

> >ones must be out then.

> >

> >it is interesting that strict hindus, who know a bit about

vegetarianism,

> >do not consider mushroom sattvic or pure although for slightly

different

> >reason. just as they dont consider eggs to be either.

> >

> >there was a shocking story in the evening standard the other week

about a

> >women who bought a tray of free range quail eggs and out of

curiosity

> >incubated them. out popped half a dozen little speckled chicks at

the end

> >of it. a good awakener to those slacker vegetarian.

> >

> >what sort of vegetable is a quail?

> >

> >so are mushrooms off the menu?

> >

> >john

>

>

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Well, from an environmental stand I prefer to buy organic, and from a vegan

viewpoint I think that organic farmers are more likely to be conscientious

about the use they make of animals and the ways they prevent crop

destruction, but organic farmers are going to use animal by-products just as

much as conventional farmers probably.

 

Biodynamic is the next level up - they try to be in harmony with nature more

than Organic farmers, who sometimes seem to be in it mostly for the hype,

but as far as I know even biodynamic farmers use manure. But it's really a

question of levels - we all know that its pretty much impossible to be 100%

vegan when you go into the origins of all ingredients.

 

As to the trust issue the Soil Association does test out stuff for pesticide

levels, and have been known to take away organic status of producers who do

not adhere to their rules, and they have been going for some time so I would

trust them to do what they say they do.

 

>blue143

>vegan-network

>vegan-network

> Re: just curious

>Fri, 16 Feb 2001 09:05:43 -0000

>

>

>so, is it best to buy organic or not?...and how can you really tell

>that it is organic and not some marketing ploy to get our cash?!

>

 

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vegan-network, " mr big " <pervyempire@h...> wrote:

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>

> >good on ya anna, think you need a bit of help with your sandwich

fillings

> >though!!

>

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lol, i think i've improved a little since then! ne suggestions?

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