Guest guest Posted February 27, 2001 Report Share Posted February 27, 2001 Blowing up anything is sheer idiocy! I don't know how you'd see it, but I personally wouldn't be too happy about it if some meat eating activists blew up a vegetarian cookery school I know of, a WWF office or vegan restaurant. Destruction might scare people, but it certainly won't make anyone view the 'activists' as rational or make them more willing to come around to their side of the argument. Concessions are ok, I guess, but conviction quite another. How do you really convince people of the right way when it is littered with shards of glass and anti-social behaviour?? Also, many people keep from becoming vegetarian or vegan because of the association with a whole bunch of crazies, the same way over in Europe a boy will certainly think twice about shaving his head due to the neo-nazi connotation of that(this being a more extreme example,but the principle is the same). There is enough uneccessary violence and destruction already...why add to it? Regards, Katt _______________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 28, 2001 Report Share Posted February 28, 2001 You say Ian McKay isn`t walking the line anymore....does that mean he's drinking in pubs or eating at McDonalds? _______________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 28, 2001 Report Share Posted February 28, 2001 People who dont become veggie because they dont want to be associated with animal rights activities are just using it as an excuse to make us feel worse.Dont fall for it .they never intended becoming veggie,anyway.I've always said I will never show any interest in sport until womens sport gets greater coverage{im a womens libber and it gives me a chance to make a point].The real reason is I find it boring! I support Animal rights and some people will go further than I would. That's life. I've just had a thought , I'll give up sex because some people are rapists!{real reason-I havent got a man,but we'll keep quiet about that!!!]. Sad Angie! ---- Original Message ----- " Katt * " <felinewitch <vegan-network > Tuesday, February 27, 2001 9:28 PM Minor Threat > > Blowing up anything is sheer idiocy! > > I don't know how you'd see it, but I personally wouldn't be too happy about > it if some meat eating activists blew up a vegetarian cookery school I know > of, a WWF office or vegan restaurant. > > Destruction might scare people, but it certainly won't make anyone view the > 'activists' as rational or make them more willing to come around to their > side of the argument. > > Concessions are ok, I guess, but conviction quite another. How do you really > convince people of the right way when it is littered with shards of glass > and anti-social behaviour?? > > Also, many people keep from becoming vegetarian or vegan because of the > association with a whole bunch of crazies, the same way over in Europe a boy > will certainly think twice about shaving his head due to the neo-nazi > connotation of that(this being a more extreme example,but the principle is > the same). > > There is enough uneccessary violence and destruction already...why add to > it? > > Regards, > > Katt > > > _______________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 28, 2001 Report Share Posted February 28, 2001 Hi there, I agree fully with you Katt, I believe veganism and vegetarism are about being more friendly to the world - of course most of all to give the animals the right they deserve, but also to make the world a better place! And violence certainly DOESN'T do that! Since I became a vegan, the first thing most many people ask me when I tell them I'm a vegan is: " Do you blow up trucks and McDonalds restaurants? " That is the only thing many people know about vegans, they don't really know what it's all about and it's hard to convince people the right reasons why we become vegans when their first impressions that it's about violence and blowing up things are so strong (sorry if my English is a bit hard to understand!). That's my point of view anyway, and I'm sorry to say to you activists that I do believe you destoy more for vegans than you do good! But don't get me wrong, I do understand your frustration, I'm as frustrated as you about this meat-eating and cruel world and I don't think me believing that love is all you need to change it - not violence, makes me less a vegan!!!! Thanks!!! LOVE Sandra > " Katt * " <felinewitch >vegan-network >vegan-network > Minor Threat >Tue, 27 Feb 2001 21:28:41 -0000 > > >Blowing up anything is sheer idiocy! > >I don't know how you'd see it, but I personally wouldn't be too happy about >it if some meat eating activists blew up a vegetarian cookery school I know >of, a WWF office or vegan restaurant. > >Destruction might scare people, but it certainly won't make anyone view the >'activists' as rational or make them more willing to come around to their >side of the argument. > >Concessions are ok, I guess, but conviction quite another. How do you >really >convince people of the right way when it is littered with shards of glass >and anti-social behaviour?? > >Also, many people keep from becoming vegetarian or vegan because of the >association with a whole bunch of crazies, the same way over in Europe a >boy >will certainly think twice about shaving his head due to the neo-nazi >connotation of that(this being a more extreme example,but the principle is >the same). > >There is enough uneccessary violence and destruction already...why add to >it? > >Regards, > >Katt > > >_______________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > _______________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 28, 2001 Report Share Posted February 28, 2001 <<Since I became a vegan, the first thing most many people ask me when I <<tell <<them I'm a vegan is: " Do you blow up trucks and McDonalds restaurants? " Jesus Christ woman...where do you live? I`m in England...and the most common questions I get are no where near that...usually along the lines of " is it for health reasons or ethics " or " how can you live without cheese " bye _______________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 28, 2001 Report Share Posted February 28, 2001 Yeah, they're good ones. A better one is " what do you eat " . I normally answer it by: 1. I eat hedges and grass etc. 2. What do you eat? 4 Types of meat, interesting variety you have going there. 3. nothing that has lived (Sentiently) or the produce from it. 4. Not the sh!t society tells me to, maaaaaaah (sheep noise). the list just goes on and on and on and on and on............ People don't normally ask me again. I'm not that sharp to everyone, just the ones who critisise me. I'm always ready to show someone the path. > Regards, > > Rowan McCartney > ETC Student Engineer > Visteon ETS > Room GB-28/851 > Visteon Technical Centre > Laindon, Basildon, Essex > SS15 6EE, England. > > * +44-(0)1268-40-6212 > FordNet : 738-6212 > * Rmccar14 mr big [pervyempire] 28 February 2001 15:43 vegan-network Re: Minor Threat <<Since I became a vegan, the first thing most many people ask me when I <<tell <<them I'm a vegan is: " Do you blow up trucks and McDonalds restaurants? " Jesus Christ woman...where do you live? I`m in England...and the most common questions I get are no where near that...usually along the lines of " is it for health reasons or ethics " or " how can you live without cheese " bye _______________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 28, 2001 Report Share Posted February 28, 2001 Well, I am from Sweden but I live in UK now! I think there are more vegans here and to be honest it's in Sweden I got all those stupid questions. There are a big group of vegan activists in Sweden and they are the only vegans most of the Swedeish people know about because they are in the news quite a lot if you know what I mean!! LOVE Sandra > " Mccartney, Rowan (R.N.) " <rmccar14 >vegan-network > " 'vegan-network ' " <vegan-network > >RE: Minor Threat >Wed, 28 Feb 2001 11:04:49 -0500 > >Yeah, they're good ones. A better one is " what do you eat " . I normally >answer it by: >1. I eat hedges and grass etc. >2. What do you eat? 4 Types of meat, interesting variety you have going >there. >3. nothing that has lived (Sentiently) or the produce from it. >4. Not the sh!t society tells me to, maaaaaaah (sheep noise). >the list just goes on and on and on and on and on............ >People don't normally ask me again. I'm not that sharp to everyone, just >the ones who critisise me. I'm always ready to show someone the path. > > > > Regards, > > > > Rowan McCartney > > ETC Student Engineer > > Visteon ETS > > Room GB-28/851 > > Visteon Technical Centre > > Laindon, Basildon, Essex > > SS15 6EE, England. > > > > * +44-(0)1268-40-6212 > > FordNet : 738-6212 > > * Rmccar14 > > > >mr big [pervyempire] >28 February 2001 15:43 >vegan-network >Re: Minor Threat > > ><<Since I became a vegan, the first thing most many people ask me when I ><<tell ><<them I'm a vegan is: " Do you blow up trucks and McDonalds restaurants? " > >Jesus Christ woman...where do you live? >I`m in England...and the most common questions I get are no where near >that...usually along the lines of " is it for health reasons or ethics " or > " how can you live without cheese " > >bye > >_______________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 28, 2001 Report Share Posted February 28, 2001 I believe we should not criticise each other,for using different methods to fight animal abusers.We all do our best our own way.Animal abusers criticise us we dont need to do it to ourselves.I may not agree with what you ve said but as you are a vegan you are on my side and the side of the animals and together or in our different ways we will weaken the enemy. - " Sandra Pehrsson " <sandrapehr <vegan-network > Wednesday, February 28, 2001 1:51 PM Re: Minor Threat > Hi there, > > I agree fully with you Katt, I believe veganism and vegetarism are about > being more friendly to the world - of course most of all to give the animals > the right they deserve, but also to make the world a better place! And > violence certainly DOESN'T do that! > > Since I became a vegan, the first thing most many people ask me when I tell > them I'm a vegan is: " Do you blow up trucks and McDonalds restaurants? " > That is the only thing many people know about vegans, they don't really know > what it's all about and it's hard to convince people the right reasons why > we become vegans when their first impressions that it's about violence and > blowing up things are so strong (sorry if my English is a bit hard to > understand!). > > That's my point of view anyway, and I'm sorry to say to you activists that I > do believe you destoy more for vegans than you do good! But don't get me > wrong, I do understand your frustration, I'm as frustrated as you about this > meat-eating and cruel world and I don't think me believing that love is all > you need to change it - not violence, makes me less a vegan!!!! > Thanks!!! > > LOVE > Sandra > > > > " Katt * " <felinewitch > >vegan-network > >vegan-network > > Minor Threat > >Tue, 27 Feb 2001 21:28:41 -0000 > > > > > >Blowing up anything is sheer idiocy! > > > >I don't know how you'd see it, but I personally wouldn't be too happy about > >it if some meat eating activists blew up a vegetarian cookery school I know > >of, a WWF office or vegan restaurant. > > > >Destruction might scare people, but it certainly won't make anyone view the > >'activists' as rational or make them more willing to come around to their > >side of the argument. > > > >Concessions are ok, I guess, but conviction quite another. How do you > >really > >convince people of the right way when it is littered with shards of glass > >and anti-social behaviour?? > > > >Also, many people keep from becoming vegetarian or vegan because of the > >association with a whole bunch of crazies, the same way over in Europe a > >boy > >will certainly think twice about shaving his head due to the neo-nazi > >connotation of that(this being a more extreme example,but the principle is > >the same). > > > >There is enough uneccessary violence and destruction already...why add to > >it? > > > >Regards, > > > >Katt > > > > > >_______________________ > >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > > > _______________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 1, 2001 Report Share Posted March 1, 2001 >Wed, 28 Feb 2001 22:52:28 -0000 > " Angie Wright " <angiewright >Re: Minor Threat > >I believe we should not criticise each other for using different methods to >fight animal abusers. We all do our best our own way. Animal abusers criticise >us we don't need to do it to ourselves. I may not agree with what you've said >but as you are a vegan you are on my side and the side of the animals and >together or in our different ways we will weaken the enemy. > Well said! Interesting note: Those of us involved in AR here in Tulsa, OK avoid using the word " PETA " on signs and literature as much as possible because of all of the negative publicity PETA receives. You can actually hear the minds of the public lock up tight when they see or hear " PETA " ! :-) Beth www.dart-tulsa.org Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 1, 2001 Report Share Posted March 1, 2001 Thanks, I am despite my negativity about violent vegans on all vegans side as well. I agree that we all try our best to fight for what we believe and I guess that is the important thing! Even though I think it's wrong with violence I do respect all people for how they are and believe - we all see things in different ways and we all have right to say how we feel about things! Over all I think we vegans are a good team all together - A WINNING TEAM who will eventually convince the world that we are right!!!!! LOVE Sandra > " Angie Wright " <angiewright >vegan-network ><vegan-network > >Re: Minor Threat >Wed, 28 Feb 2001 22:52:28 -0000 > >I believe we should not criticise each other,for using different methods to >fight animal abusers.We all do our best our own way.Animal abusers >criticise >us we dont need to do it to ourselves.I may not agree with what you ve said >but as you are a vegan you are on my side and the side of the animals and >together or in our different ways we will weaken the enemy. > > > > > > > > >- > " Sandra Pehrsson " <sandrapehr ><vegan-network > >Wednesday, February 28, 2001 1:51 PM >Re: Minor Threat > > > > Hi there, > > > > I agree fully with you Katt, I believe veganism and vegetarism are about > > being more friendly to the world - of course most of all to give the >animals > > the right they deserve, but also to make the world a better place! And > > violence certainly DOESN'T do that! > > > > Since I became a vegan, the first thing most many people ask me when I >tell > > them I'm a vegan is: " Do you blow up trucks and McDonalds restaurants? " > > That is the only thing many people know about vegans, they don't really >know > > what it's all about and it's hard to convince people the right reasons >why > > we become vegans when their first impressions that it's about violence >and > > blowing up things are so strong (sorry if my English is a bit hard to > > understand!). > > > > That's my point of view anyway, and I'm sorry to say to you activists >that >I > > do believe you destoy more for vegans than you do good! But don't get me > > wrong, I do understand your frustration, I'm as frustrated as you about >this > > meat-eating and cruel world and I don't think me believing that love is >all > > you need to change it - not violence, makes me less a vegan!!!! > > Thanks!!! > > > > LOVE > > Sandra > > > > > > > " Katt * " <felinewitch > > >vegan-network > > >vegan-network > > > Minor Threat > > >Tue, 27 Feb 2001 21:28:41 -0000 > > > > > > > > >Blowing up anything is sheer idiocy! > > > > > >I don't know how you'd see it, but I personally wouldn't be too happy >about > > >it if some meat eating activists blew up a vegetarian cookery school I >know > > >of, a WWF office or vegan restaurant. > > > > > >Destruction might scare people, but it certainly won't make anyone view >the > > >'activists' as rational or make them more willing to come around to >their > > >side of the argument. > > > > > >Concessions are ok, I guess, but conviction quite another. How do you > > >really > > >convince people of the right way when it is littered with shards of >glass > > >and anti-social behaviour?? > > > > > >Also, many people keep from becoming vegetarian or vegan because of the > > >association with a whole bunch of crazies, the same way over in Europe >a > > >boy > > >will certainly think twice about shaving his head due to the neo-nazi > > >connotation of that(this being a more extreme example,but the principle >is > > >the same). > > > > > >There is enough uneccessary violence and destruction already...why add >to > > >it? > > > > > >Regards, > > > > > >Katt > > > > > > > > > >_______________________ > > >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at >http://www.hotmail.com. > > > > > > > >_______________________ > > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at >http://www.hotmail.com. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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