Guest guest Posted April 11, 2001 Report Share Posted April 11, 2001 My usual afternoon trip to Starbucks (I know, not that good an ethical choice, but the only one close) to get a soya latte (and pay the extra for the soya - b'stads). Anyway, noticed one of the baristas (I know my coffee culture terminology!), popped some of the soya milk into his own coffee also. So, out of curiosity I asked him if he usually takes soya milk (maybe he was just trying it since I get one everyday). He said yes. I asked why. He said " because I'm vegan " . He said it in a way not expecting me to understand, the same sort of slightly embarrassed, self-apologetic tone I use when people ask me (I know, I should be proud, but most people have pre- conceptions). " Hey so am I! " . I felt happy, since I know so few. So tomorrow, it'll be the same old questions (how long, when, why etc). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 11, 2001 Report Share Posted April 11, 2001 I met another vegan this week too. Standing by a boat on the river cam. He was smiley and had a huge beard. Its comforting to know I'm not the only vegan in the world too. There's definitely a shortage of us though! Yesterday, Dave went to toddler group with our daughter and someone had made vegan cakes so that Jade could have some too - its wonderful when people are so accommodating. It shouldn't do - but being vegan can be a lonely thing - because it is about beliefs, as well as just diet. Hey, - do you know what the best sources are of vitamin D? H :0) > My usual afternoon trip to Starbucks (I know, not that good an > ethical choice, but the only one close) to get a soya latte (and pay > the extra for the soya - b'stads). Anyway, noticed one of the > baristas (I know my coffee culture terminology!), popped some of the > soya milk into his own coffee also. So, out of curiosity I asked him > if he usually takes soya milk (maybe he was just trying it since I > get one everyday). He said yes. I asked why. He said " because I'm > vegan " . He said it in a way not expecting me to understand, the same > sort of slightly embarrassed, self-apologetic tone I use when people > ask me (I know, I should be proud, but most people have pre- > conceptions). " Hey so am I! " . I felt happy, since I know so few. So > tomorrow, it'll be the same old questions (how long, when, why etc). > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 11, 2001 Report Share Posted April 11, 2001 That was really great to have someone make a vegan cake! I don't have children, but I know a vegan couple with two and I know they've had problems with one not wanting to be " different " . The best thing is if the non-vegan ones prefer the vegan cake (so far this has happened to everyone I've coaxed into trying vegan ice- cream). vegan-network, " Hannah Biddle " <hannah@c...> wrote: > I met another vegan this week too. Standing by a boat on the river cam. He was smiley and had a huge beard. > Its comforting to know I'm not the only vegan in the world too. There's definitely a shortage of us though! > Yesterday, Dave went to toddler group with our daughter and someone had made vegan cakes so that Jade could have some too - its > wonderful when people are so accommodating. It shouldn't do - but being vegan can be a lonely thing - because it is about beliefs, as well > as just diet. > Hey, - do you know what the best sources are of vitamin D? > H > :0) > > > > My usual afternoon trip to Starbucks (I know, not that good an > > ethical choice, but the only one close) to get a soya latte (and pay > > the extra for the soya - b'stads). Anyway, noticed one of the > > baristas (I know my coffee culture terminology!), popped some of the > > soya milk into his own coffee also. So, out of curiosity I asked him > > if he usually takes soya milk (maybe he was just trying it since I > > get one everyday). He said yes. I asked why. He said " because I'm > > vegan " . He said it in a way not expecting me to understand, the same > > sort of slightly embarrassed, self-apologetic tone I use when people > > ask me (I know, I should be proud, but most people have pre- > > conceptions). " Hey so am I! " . I felt happy, since I know so few. So > > tomorrow, it'll be the same old questions (how long, when, why etc). > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 11, 2001 Report Share Posted April 11, 2001 We should always try to drop veganism into the conversation.Not so long ago i was queing for the Ladies --as you do!--and started up a conversation explainingthat I was with a veggie group doing a theatre trip.It turned out she was veggie and I was able to give her a phone no. to join an A.R.group. - " spacevegan " <rob <vegan-network > Wednesday, April 11, 2001 4:17 PM I just met another vegan > My usual afternoon trip to Starbucks (I know, not that good an > ethical choice, but the only one close) to get a soya latte (and pay > the extra for the soya - b'stads). Anyway, noticed one of the > baristas (I know my coffee culture terminology!), popped some of the > soya milk into his own coffee also. So, out of curiosity I asked him > if he usually takes soya milk (maybe he was just trying it since I > get one everyday). He said yes. I asked why. He said " because I'm > vegan " . He said it in a way not expecting me to understand, the same > sort of slightly embarrassed, self-apologetic tone I use when people > ask me (I know, I should be proud, but most people have pre- > conceptions). " Hey so am I! " . I felt happy, since I know so few. So > tomorrow, it'll be the same old questions (how long, when, why etc). > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 11, 2001 Report Share Posted April 11, 2001 We have a vegan group here in the London area, so ask them to contact me about it if they are not too far from London (or even if they are, some find it worthwhile to travel to be with like-minded families). We meet up usually 4 times a year, but some of them meet a little more often with other vegan families in the same part of London. They don't need to be isolated or different if they join the Vegan Families Contact List and make an effort to find other vegan families in their area. Lesley > That was really great to have someone make a vegan cake! > > I don't have children, but I know a vegan couple with two and I know > they've had problems with one not wanting to be " different " . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 11, 2001 Report Share Posted April 11, 2001 Well, they live in Glasgow, so its probably a bit too far! vegan-network, " Lesley Dove " <100706.3632@c...> wrote: > > We have a vegan group here in the London area, so ask them to contact > me about it if they are not too far from London (or even if they are, > some find it worthwhile to travel to be with like-minded families). > We meet up usually 4 times a year, but some of them meet a little > more often with other vegan families in the same part of London. > They don't need to be isolated or different if they join the Vegan > Families Contact List and make an effort to find other vegan families > in their area. > > Lesley > > > > That was really great to have someone make a vegan cake! > > > > I don't have children, but I know a vegan couple with two and I > know > > they've had problems with one not wanting to be " different " . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 11, 2001 Report Share Posted April 11, 2001 Oh well, maybe they could start up their own group. I am encouraging vegan families everywhere to do this for the much needed mutual support! Lesley > Well, they live in Glasgow, so its probably a bit too far! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 11, 2001 Report Share Posted April 11, 2001 Maybe they could set up their own vegan families group for much needed mutual support in their area? Lesley > Well, they live in Glasgow, so its probably a bit too far! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 12, 2001 Report Share Posted April 12, 2001 SPC Vegan, are you in the UK or US? There's starbucks in the UK but I've never seen soy coffee's. spacevegan [rob] 11 April 2001 16:18 vegan-network I just met another vegan My usual afternoon trip to Starbucks (I know, not that good an ethical choice, but the only one close) to get a soya latte (and pay the extra for the soya - b'stads). Anyway, noticed one of the baristas (I know my coffee culture terminology!), popped some of the soya milk into his own coffee also. So, out of curiosity I asked him if he usually takes soya milk (maybe he was just trying it since I get one everyday). He said yes. I asked why. He said " because I'm vegan " . He said it in a way not expecting me to understand, the same sort of slightly embarrassed, self-apologetic tone I use when people ask me (I know, I should be proud, but most people have pre- conceptions). " Hey so am I! " . I felt happy, since I know so few. So tomorrow, it'll be the same old questions (how long, when, why etc). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 12, 2001 Report Share Posted April 12, 2001 I'm in UK (London/Essex - didn't you say you lived up the road from me in Essex?). Where I work there are 4 Starbucks outlets within half a mile, and they all do soya milk. Its 35pence extra Its listed on their board behind the servers under the special options. I also got a soya coffee at the weekend from Starbucks in Kings Road. I sent it back because the server used a cow-milky spoon to pour the soya over - I explained about " cross-contamination " - I thought people in the catering trade were taught all about this (yes - I'm a fussy vegan!). vegan-network, " Mccartney, Rowan (R.N.) " <rmccar14@v...> wrote: > SPC Vegan, are you in the UK or US? > There's starbucks in the UK but I've never seen soy coffee's. > > > spacevegan [rob@z...] > 11 April 2001 16:18 > vegan-network > I just met another vegan > > > My usual afternoon trip to Starbucks (I know, not that good an > ethical choice, but the only one close) to get a soya latte (and pay > the extra for the soya - b'stads). Anyway, noticed one of the > baristas (I know my coffee culture terminology!), popped some of the > soya milk into his own coffee also. So, out of curiosity I asked him > if he usually takes soya milk (maybe he was just trying it since I > get one everyday). He said yes. I asked why. He said " because I'm > vegan " . He said it in a way not expecting me to understand, the same > sort of slightly embarrassed, self-apologetic tone I use when people > ask me (I know, I should be proud, but most people have pre- > conceptions). " Hey so am I! " . I felt happy, since I know so few. So > tomorrow, it'll be the same old questions (how long, when, why etc). > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 12, 2001 Report Share Posted April 12, 2001 I don`t think you are being a fussy vegan at all....That is stinkin`.I`d have sent it back myself with a letter attached saying " I`m not fussy, you lot are stinkin` " I have to keep an eye on the fridge in work as sometimes people will try to use my peanut butter. I don`t mind, but they have on occasion tried to scoop it out with the same knife they have just had a big dollop of flora or something on....yuk...so people are under strict orders that if they want to use any of my marmite or peanut butter, they must also use my marg. and thats not fussy either MrwhatswrongwithBLACKcoffee? > >I'm in UK (London/Essex - didn't you say you lived up the road from >me in Essex?). Where I work there are 4 Starbucks outlets within half >a mile, and they all do soya milk. Its 35pence extra Its listed on >their board behind the servers under the special options. I also got >a soya coffee at the weekend from Starbucks in Kings Road. I sent it >back because the server used a cow-milky spoon to pour the soya over - > I explained about " cross-contamination " - I thought people in the >catering trade were taught all about this (yes - I'm a fussy vegan!). > > >vegan-network, " Mccartney, Rowan (R.N.) " <rmccar14@v...> >wrote: > > SPC Vegan, are you in the UK or US? > > There's starbucks in the UK but I've never seen soy coffee's. > > > > > > spacevegan [rob@z...] > > 11 April 2001 16:18 > > vegan-network > > I just met another vegan > > > > > > My usual afternoon trip to Starbucks (I know, not that good an > > ethical choice, but the only one close) to get a soya latte (and >pay > > the extra for the soya - b'stads). Anyway, noticed one of the > > baristas (I know my coffee culture terminology!), popped some of >the > > soya milk into his own coffee also. So, out of curiosity I asked >him > > if he usually takes soya milk (maybe he was just trying it since I > > get one everyday). He said yes. I asked why. He said " because I'm > > vegan " . He said it in a way not expecting me to understand, the >same > > sort of slightly embarrassed, self-apologetic tone I use when >people > > ask me (I know, I should be proud, but most people have pre- > > conceptions). " Hey so am I! " . I felt happy, since I know so few. So > > tomorrow, it'll be the same old questions (how long, when, why etc). > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 12, 2001 Report Share Posted April 12, 2001 > " spacevegan " <rob >I don't have children, but I know a vegan couple with two and I know >they've had problems with one not wanting to be " different " . > " Lesley Dove " <100706.3632 >We have a vegan group here in the London area, so ask them to contact >me about it if they are not too far from London (or even if they are, > " spacevegan " <rob >Well, they live in Glasgow, so its probably a bit too far! But not too far from us Glaswegian vegan families. Your friends are more than welcome to contact us Philbrows (also with two vegan children, both possessing a keen interest in cakes). Paul -- Paul Philbrow pp http://www.dcs.gla.ac.uk/~pp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 12, 2001 Report Share Posted April 12, 2001 Hey! I'd be well up for setting up a families' group in Cambridge.Any suggestions as to how? We've been in Cambridge four months, & met two vegans so far - both single: we haven't met any vegan families here at all. I'd like to set up or join some kind of alternative parents' group - not necessarily just vegans, but including vegans, travellers, eco-warrior types & political/social activists, home educators, & those who generally are trying to do something a bit different and a bit more positive than your average pro-capitalist, consumer, meat eating, pro-the-system type family - of which there is an abundance, & all of which turn their noses up at us it seems. It's not that I wouldn't welcome meeting people from all walks of life - I would & do, but it would be so good to build up some community links & solidarity with some like minded people with kids.. I'd be happy to come down to London to meet with vegan families, but can't do so very often as we're a tad skint. Do you have any meetings coming up though? Jade is now 17 months old (and has just learnt to say 'fart' - spot the vegan toddler!) & just getting into mixing with other kids. I'd like to meet like minded families, no matter how far we'll have to travel. Hannah. > > Oh well, maybe they could start up their own group. I am encouraging > vegan families everywhere to do this for the much needed mutual > support! > > Lesley > > > Well, they live in Glasgow, so its probably a bit too far! > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 12, 2001 Report Share Posted April 12, 2001 > " Hannah Biddle " <hannah >Thu, 12 Apr 2001 09:54:50 -0400 >Hey! >I'd be well up for setting up a families' group in Cambridge.Any suggestions as to how? >We've been in Cambridge four months, & met two vegans so far - both single: we haven't met any vegan families here at all. Well that sounds like London and Cambridge sorted for vegan families groups! I suppose we could arrange something here in Glasgow (if there isn't one already?). How many other towns and cities are there in the UK? .... Thence a UK network of vegan families groups? It could be rather interesting. Lucy and Lesley: I think you keep an eye on this sort of thing -- are you seeing any signs of such things developing? or do we all tend to keep to ourselves? Paul -- Paul Philbrow pp http://www.dcs.gla.ac.uk/~pp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 12, 2001 Report Share Posted April 12, 2001 First of all, you might find it helpful if you haven't done it already, to put yourselves on the Vegan Society's Vegan Families Contact List, http://www.vegansociety.com/info/info34.html Send them your details and an SAE for a copy of the list, so you can find out if there are any others on it in your area, and if you are on it any others receiving the list can contact you. You can also join the online version of the list at the Vegan Society website. Secondly I can probably put you in touch with a few people in your area. I can think of at least one other vegan family in Cambridge, so that would be a good start. Then maybe get a letter in the local paper, and a small ad in the window of your local health food shop, if they will allow it. Put an ad on Vegan Village noticeboard. I'll probably think of some more later. Good for you! If only more vegan families would take the initiative to do something about isolation. We have to stick together when most parents around us take their kids to McDonalds without a second thought. Lesley > Hey! > I'd be well up for setting up a families' group in Cambridge.Any suggestions as to how? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 12, 2001 Report Share Posted April 12, 2001 Bridget Meadows and Johnny Rhodes and their three daughters, who moved last year from London to Totnes, and used to be very involved in the London group, are certainly very keen to find others in Devon. Helen Hewitt has done a huge amount for vegan families support. She ran a big event near her home town of Loughborough last year, a well- organised and catered for vegan children's party, with families coming from all over the UK, and she is keen to have vegan friends for her children. I will happily try to put families in touch together if I know of anyone in their area. Yes, I think things are developing gradually in this area of vegan support. The big problem is that there are certain general vegan social groups which are almost exclusively for childfrees, and this is why we started the families group, because we no longer felt welcome at many London Vegans events after having our first child. Lesley > Well that sounds like London and Cambridge sorted for vegan families > groups! I suppose we could arrange something here in Glasgow (if > there isn't one already?). How many other towns and cities are there > in the UK? .... Thence a UK network of vegan families groups? It > could be rather interesting. Lucy and Lesley: I think you keep an eye > on this sort of thing -- are you seeing any signs of such things > developing? or do we all tend to keep to ourselves? > > Paul Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 12, 2001 Report Share Posted April 12, 2001 Thank you again Lesley. I don't think I've had so much positive thought in one day for ages. I shall definitely think up some kind of ad. If you could put me in touch with another vegan family in Cambridge that would be fantastic - I might try advertising around & about for a vegan family picnic in Cambridge in a few weeks when the sun's more reliable. If your friends would be interested it would be well worth giving it a go even if they ended up being the only people who turned up. I did have a look on the vegan society families list but mertle was the closest person to here that I found. I'll keep trying periodically though. Cheers for all the support. Happy Easter - Hannah x. > > First of all, you might find it helpful if you haven't done it > already, to put yourselves on the Vegan Society's Vegan Families > Contact List, http://www.vegansociety.com/info/info34.html > Send them your details and an SAE for a copy of the list, so you can > find out if there are any others on it in your area, and if you are > on it any others receiving the list can contact you. You can also > join the online version of the list at the Vegan Society website. > Secondly I can probably put you in touch with a few people in your > area. I can think of at least one other vegan family in Cambridge, so > that would be a good start. > Then maybe get a letter in the local paper, and a small ad in the > window of your local health food shop, if they will allow it. > Put an ad on Vegan Village noticeboard. > I'll probably think of some more later. > Good for you! If only more vegan families would take the initiative > to do something about isolation. We have to stick together when most > parents around us take their kids to McDonalds without a second > thought. > > Lesley > > > > Hey! > > I'd be well up for setting up a families' group in Cambridge.Any > suggestions as to how? > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 12, 2001 Report Share Posted April 12, 2001 There's a veg/vegan social group in Nottingham but so far only singles have shown interest.In the warmer weather we plan to have walks/picnics etc so maybe families will get involved. Angie - " Paul Philbrow " <pp <vegan-network > Thursday, April 12, 2001 3:18 PM Re: Re: I just met another vegan > > " Hannah Biddle " <hannah > >Thu, 12 Apr 2001 09:54:50 -0400 > >Hey! > >I'd be well up for setting up a families' group in Cambridge.Any suggestions as to how? > >We've been in Cambridge four months, & met two vegans so far - both single: we haven't met any vegan families here at all. > > Well that sounds like London and Cambridge sorted for vegan families > groups! I suppose we could arrange something here in Glasgow (if > there isn't one already?). How many other towns and cities are there > in the UK? .... Thence a UK network of vegan families groups? It > could be rather interesting. Lucy and Lesley: I think you keep an eye > on this sort of thing -- are you seeing any signs of such things > developing? or do we all tend to keep to ourselves? > > Paul > -- > Paul Philbrow > pp > http://www.dcs.gla.ac.uk/~pp > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 12, 2001 Report Share Posted April 12, 2001 Put a letter in your local paper suggesting a meeting in say the local park{picnic?]State what tpe of group you want to start up and ask people who are interested to contact you.. Good Luck Angie - " Hannah Biddle " <hannah <vegan-network > Thursday, April 12, 2001 2:54 PM Re: Re: I just met another vegan > Hey! > I'd be well up for setting up a families' group in Cambridge.Any suggestions as to how? > We've been in Cambridge four months, & met two vegans so far - both single: we haven't met any vegan families here at all. > I'd like to set up or join some kind of alternative parents' group - not necessarily just vegans, but including vegans, travellers, eco-warrior > types & political/social activists, home educators, & those who generally are trying to do something a bit different and a bit more positive > than your average pro-capitalist, consumer, meat eating, pro-the-system type family - of which there is an abundance, & all of which turn > their noses up at us it seems. It's not that I wouldn't welcome meeting people from all walks of life - I would & do, but it would be so good > to build up some community links & solidarity with some like minded people with kids.. > I'd be happy to come down to London to meet with vegan families, but can't do so very often as we're a tad skint. Do you have any > meetings coming up though? Jade is now 17 months old (and has just learnt to say 'fart' - spot the vegan toddler!) & just getting into > mixing with other kids. I'd like to meet like minded families, no matter how far we'll have to travel. > Hannah. > > > > > Oh well, maybe they could start up their own group. I am encouraging > > vegan families everywhere to do this for the much needed mutual > > support! > > > > Lesley > > > > > Well, they live in Glasgow, so its probably a bit too far! > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 13, 2001 Report Share Posted April 13, 2001 I live in Torquay which is very near Totnes! I go to Totnes all the time and love the veggie restaurant there and also Cranks at Dartington nearby!!! I am not part of a vegan family, however, as my husband is a meat eater. But I am vegan!!!!!! Perhaps there are single people out there who want to make friends too. There must be a few more in Devon!!! ~~ Jane C ~~ - " Lesley Dove " <100706.3632 <vegan-network > Thursday, April 12, 2001 7:52 PM Re: I just met another vegan > > Bridget Meadows and Johnny Rhodes and their three daughters, who > moved last year from London to Totnes, and used to be very involved > in the London group, are certainly very keen to find others in Devon. > > Helen Hewitt has done a huge amount for vegan families support. She > ran a big event near her home town of Loughborough last year, a well- > organised and catered for vegan children's party, with families > coming from all over the UK, and she is keen to have vegan friends > for her children. > > I will happily try to put families in touch together if I know of > anyone in their area. > > Yes, I think things are developing gradually in this area of vegan > support. > > The big problem is that there are certain general vegan social groups > which are almost exclusively for childfrees, and this is why we > started the families group, because we no longer felt welcome at many > London Vegans events after having our first child. > > Lesley > > > > Well that sounds like London and Cambridge sorted for vegan families > > groups! I suppose we could arrange something here in Glasgow (if > > there isn't one already?). How many other towns and cities are > there > > in the UK? .... Thence a UK network of vegan families groups? It > > could be rather interesting. Lucy and Lesley: I think you keep an > eye > > on this sort of thing -- are you seeing any signs of such things > > developing? or do we all tend to keep to ourselves? > > > > Paul > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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