Guest guest Posted April 26, 2001 Report Share Posted April 26, 2001 As my DGF said last night, being vegan is similar to what Keuano Reeves felt like in the matrix. E.G. Today, lunch at work a coleuge was talking about how his baby girl had the sh!ts for 2 weeks! After the first week after being bounced around by non-committal doctors they took her to hospital where she was diagnosed with with food poisoning (dressed up in a fancy name intestinal-blah-blah). You just want to start screaming "for f!!cks sake, take her off the dairy!", but I couldn't cause I know that look people give you, as if you're mad. Listeria and all the other crap can kill, but I have to sit there listening to peoples "woes" not being able to do a thing about them. If I were alone in this matrix, I think I'd go mad. Also, cause the veggie option had dairy all over it today so when I sat down with my potato, salad beans and cabbage, people always comment, "no one's gunna wanta sit near you". Farting is as a result of clearing the crap from your intestinal tract, which as I don't eat crap there's non there to be cleared, hence... no farting. I'd get another "he's lost the plot" look if I'd said that. Phew, what a rant. How do people deal with the above situations? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 26, 2001 Report Share Posted April 26, 2001 I just carry on with my comments, knowing that I'm right and they're wrong. It's frustrating that you know the answers and you know you're right but sooner or later these people will realise it. All we can do is keep patiently explaining to them the rights and wrongs and hope that one day they listen. People have got used to my rants now so they probably just switch off but I keep doing it nonetheless!! > ---------- > Mccartney, Rowan (R.N.) > Reply vegan-network > Thursday, April 26, 2001 12:58 pm > 'vegan-network ' > The Matrix > > As my DGF said last night, being vegan is similar to what Keuano Reeves > felt like in the matrix. > E.G. > Today, lunch at work a coleuge was talking about how his baby girl had the > sh!ts for 2 weeks! After the first week after being bounced around by > non-committal doctors they took her to hospital where she was diagnosed > with with food poisoning (dressed up in a fancy name > intestinal-blah-blah). You just want to start screaming " for f!!cks sake, > take her off the dairy! " , but I couldn't cause I know that look people > give you, as if you're mad. Listeria and all the other crap can kill, but > I have to sit there listening to peoples " woes " not being able to do a > thing about them. If I were alone in this matrix, I think I'd go mad. > Also, cause the veggie option had dairy all over it today so when I sat > down with my potato, salad beans and cabbage, people always comment, " no > one's gunna wanta sit near you " . Farting is as a result of clearing the > crap from your intestinal tract, which as I don't eat crap there's non > there to be cleared, hence... no farting. I'd get another " he's lost the > plot " look if I'd said that. > Phew, what a rant. How do people deal with the above situations? > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 26, 2001 Report Share Posted April 26, 2001 >Phew, what a rant. How do people deal with the above situations? When I was at school I was often told that the vegan diet led me to being weaker. This was daft cos I played rugby in the top team. Anyway, (back then) the most logical way to prove that being vegan did not cause me to be a 'weakling' was to... err...deck them. Ok so this isn't the most compassionate method but it does answer their questions exactly. ''You are weaker cos you don't eat enough meat so you have no protein!'' ...DUF... ''FUCK OFF!'' Problem solved. You only have to do it once to each one of them. Anyone want some? Andy -------------------- talk21 your FREE portable and private address on the net at http://www.talk21.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 26, 2001 Report Share Posted April 26, 2001 I would just like to add that I would never advocate the use of violence in any way and that no person should take matters... No I don't. Do what you think is best, just don't have any role models, and do not adhere to what you are reading...ever...even at this very moment. Make your own path and have thou no masters (or mistresses (hmm...)). 'They' may be watching. Silly Andy -------------------- talk21 your FREE portable and private address on the net at http://www.talk21.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 26, 2001 Report Share Posted April 26, 2001 I think we all have the same problem .At work today colleagues were talking about many of their friend who have developed cancer I mentioned Meat causing many types and dairy products being involved in breast cancer{rare in china where they dont have milk].I said " I know you'll think I'm biased but " when I was interrupted with " You biased SURELY not! " End of conversation. We can only tell them ,we can't make them listen . Angie - " Nicky Brown " <nicky.brown <vegan-network > Thursday, April 26, 2001 1:19 PM RE: The Matrix > I just carry on with my comments, knowing that I'm right and they're wrong. > It's frustrating that you know the answers and you know you're right but > sooner or later these people will realise it. All we can do is keep > patiently explaining to them the rights and wrongs and hope that one day > they listen. People have got used to my rants now so they probably just > switch off but I keep doing it nonetheless!! > > > ---------- > > Mccartney, Rowan (R.N.) > > Reply vegan-network > > Thursday, April 26, 2001 12:58 pm > > 'vegan-network ' > > The Matrix > > > > As my DGF said last night, being vegan is similar to what Keuano Reeves > > felt like in the matrix. > > E.G. > > Today, lunch at work a coleuge was talking about how his baby girl had the > > sh!ts for 2 weeks! After the first week after being bounced around by > > non-committal doctors they took her to hospital where she was diagnosed > > with with food poisoning (dressed up in a fancy name > > intestinal-blah-blah). You just want to start screaming " for f!!cks sake, > > take her off the dairy! " , but I couldn't cause I know that look people > > give you, as if you're mad. Listeria and all the other crap can kill, but > > I have to sit there listening to peoples " woes " not being able to do a > > thing about them. If I were alone in this matrix, I think I'd go mad. > > Also, cause the veggie option had dairy all over it today so when I sat > > down with my potato, salad beans and cabbage, people always comment, " no > > one's gunna wanta sit near you " . Farting is as a result of clearing the > > crap from your intestinal tract, which as I don't eat crap there's non > > there to be cleared, hence... no farting. I'd get another " he's lost the > > plot " look if I'd said that. > > Phew, what a rant. How do people deal with the above situations? > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 26, 2001 Report Share Posted April 26, 2001 Language Andy ! I shall have to speak to your Mother !!Angie - <alwbarnes <vegan-network > Thursday, April 26, 2001 5:21 PM Re: The Matrix > > >Phew, what a rant. How do people deal with the above situations? > > When I was at school I was often told that the vegan diet led me to being weaker. > This was daft cos I played rugby in the top team. > Anyway, (back then) the most logical way to prove that being vegan did not cause me to be a 'weakling' was to... err...deck them. > Ok so this isn't the most compassionate method but it does answer their questions exactly. > > ''You are weaker cos you > don't eat enough meat so > you have no protein!'' > > ...DUF... > ''FUCK OFF!'' > > Problem solved. > You only have to do it once to each one of them. > Anyone want some? > Andy > > -------------------- > talk21 your FREE portable and private address on the net at http://www.talk21.com > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 2001 Report Share Posted April 27, 2001 Angie my dear, even I find you an extremey opinionated self-righteous mouthfull sometimes, so I`d guess those mere mortals in work go crosseyed and painless whenever you start! MrBigkiSs xxxxxxxx when I was interrupted with " You biased SURELY not! " End of >conversation. We can only tell them ,we can't make them listen . > Angie > _______________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 2001 Report Share Posted April 27, 2001 I think it's OK for Angie to be the way she is, she is usually right after all!! Nothing wrong with being confident when we know right from wrong. Lesley > Angie my dear, even I find you an extremey opinionated self- righteous > mouthfull sometimes, so I`d guess those mere mortals in work go crosseyed > and painless whenever you start! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 2001 Report Share Posted April 27, 2001 >I think it's OK for Angie to be the way she is, she is usually right >after all!! >Nothing wrong with being confident when we know right from wrong. >Lesley Hiya, Sounds like you are saying that the idea that 'we are right and they are wrong' is written in stone somehow. Are you implying that 'rightness' and 'wrongness' are objectively verifiable, ie: that the property of 'rightness' or 'wrongness' that belongs to a given phenomenon is 'real' in the same way that a brick is real? I judge meat eaters behaviour using my ethical system, but I do not believe I have the right to judge the validity of their ethical system (yes, they do have one, it's just different). What I mean is that I do what I feel is right, and I believe that meat-eaters are wrong, but I am always aware that those beliefs are nothing more than *subjective* opinions; my ethical system is just as fallible and inconsistent as anyone elses - of course it is - I *make it up as I go along* - we all do. History has important lessons to teach us about the absolute conviction that 'We Are Right And They Are Wrong'... Cheers Matt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 2001 Report Share Posted April 27, 2001 You are correct to introduce a cautionary note, Matt. However, discussions generally structure themselves round points of detail. Details may be more amenable to judgement than systems. There's an alternative way of reading Lesley's sentence, viz.: " If we are able to recognize that someone's claim is wrong (as in valid/invalid, factually correct/incorrect, ...) then we should be willing to confidently point it out to them. " Hopefully they would do us the same courtesy. To make a different point: being unable to decide whether someone has said something that is correct/incorrect is an effective way of losing confidence in your own position, and thereby losing the opportunity for an illuminating discussion for all parties. Paul -- Paul Philbrow pp http://www.dcs.gla.ac.uk/~pp > " Lesley Dove " <100706.3632 >Fri, 27 Apr 2001 11:59:14 -0000 > >Nothing wrong with being confident when we know right from wrong. > " Matt " <matt >Fri, 27 Apr 2001 15:23:55 +0100 > >Sounds like you are saying that the idea that 'we are right and they >are wrong' is written in stone somehow. Are you implying that >'rightness' and 'wrongness' are objectively verifiable, ie: that the >property of 'rightness' or 'wrongness' that belongs to a given >phenomenon is 'real' in the same way that a brick is real? > >I judge meat eaters behaviour using my ethical system, but I do not >believe I have the right to judge the validity of their ethical system >(yes, they do have one, it's just different). > >What I mean is that I do what I feel is right, and I believe that >meat-eaters are wrong, but I am always aware that those beliefs are >nothing more than *subjective* opinions; my ethical system is just as >fallible and inconsistent as anyone elses - of course it is - I *make >it up as I go along* - we all do. > >History has important lessons to teach us about the absolute >conviction that 'We Are Right And They Are Wrong'... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 2001 Report Share Posted April 27, 2001 You say the sweetest things,but at least I can spell, my darling Mr Big? No one remembers those who don't have opinions,and I've had mine since before you were born.Even the kids I don't know{teacher]know I'm against killing animals Who knows in time some may go veggie !!!!Fingers crossed Angie - " mr big " <pervyempire <vegan-network > Friday, April 27, 2001 12:50 PM Re: The Matrix > Angie my dear, even I find you an extremey opinionated self-righteous > mouthfull sometimes, so I`d guess those mere mortals in work go crosseyed > and painless whenever you start! > > > MrBigkiSs > > xxxxxxxx > > > > > > when I was interrupted with " You biased SURELY not! " End of > >conversation. We can only tell them ,we can't make them listen . > > Angie > > > > _______________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 2001 Report Share Posted April 27, 2001 Thanks Lesley I think we make a great team! Angie - " Lesley Dove " <100706.3632 <vegan-network > Friday, April 27, 2001 12:59 PM Re: The Matrix > > I think it's OK for Angie to be the way she is, she is usually right > after all!! > Nothing wrong with being confident when we know right from wrong. > > Lesley > > > > Angie my dear, even I find you an extremey opinionated self- > righteous > > mouthfull sometimes, so I`d guess those mere mortals in work go > crosseyed > > and painless whenever you start! > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 2001 Report Share Posted April 27, 2001 Very interesting Matt {didn't understand a word] But if Lesley reckons I am usually right then I'll go along with that [after all she's usually right too ] Is it anything to do with being female? - " Matt " <matt <vegan-network > Friday, April 27, 2001 3:23 PM RE: Re: The Matrix > >I think it's OK for Angie to be the way she is, she is usually right > >after all!! > >Nothing wrong with being confident when we know right from wrong. > >Lesley > > Hiya, > > Sounds like you are saying that the idea that 'we are right and they are > wrong' is > written in stone somehow. Are you implying that 'rightness' and 'wrongness' > are > objectively verifiable, ie: that the property of 'rightness' or 'wrongness' > that > belongs to a given phenomenon is 'real' in the same way that a brick is > real? > > I judge meat eaters behaviour using my ethical system, but I do not believe > I > have the right to judge the validity of their ethical system (yes, they do > have one, > it's just different). > > What I mean is that I do what I feel is right, and I believe that > meat-eaters are > wrong, but I am always aware that those beliefs are nothing more than > *subjective* > opinions; my ethical system is just as fallible and inconsistent as anyone > elses > - of course it is - I *make it up as I go along* - we all do. > > History has important lessons to teach us about the absolute conviction > that 'We Are Right And They Are Wrong'... > > Cheers > Matt > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 2001 Report Share Posted April 27, 2001 I do see your point tho' Matt. I must understand, that rapists/muggers of the elderly/paedophiles/car thieves/hunters/vivisectionists etc are all entitled to their view and that I shouldn't judge them So, when someone decides to hurt an animal/frail person I'll forget my viewpoint, I wont accept theirs but I'll consider the 3rd party [had you forgotten the 3rd party?].I always take the side of the weakest against the bully so I''ll still condemn the rapist/hunter etc Not because my view is different from theirs but because the victim didn't want to be raped/hunted .How am I so sure ? Because they struggle and try to escape.I'll never care about the agressor because the aggressor doesn't care about the victim only his/her selfish pleasure . Angie / - " Matt " <matt <vegan-network > Friday, April 27, 2001 3:23 PM RE: Re: The Matrix > >I think it's OK for Angie to be the way she is, she is usually right > >after all!! > >Nothing wrong with being confident when we know right from wrong. > >Lesley > > Hiya, > > Sounds like you are saying that the idea that 'we are right and they are > wrong' is > written in stone somehow. Are you implying that 'rightness' and 'wrongness' > are > objectively verifiable, ie: that the property of 'rightness' or 'wrongness' > that > belongs to a given phenomenon is 'real' in the same way that a brick is > real? > > I judge meat eaters behaviour using my ethical system, but I do not believe > I > have the right to judge the validity of their ethical system (yes, they do > have one, > it's just different). > > What I mean is that I do what I feel is right, and I believe that > meat-eaters are > wrong, but I am always aware that those beliefs are nothing more than > *subjective* > opinions; my ethical system is just as fallible and inconsistent as anyone > elses > - of course it is - I *make it up as I go along* - we all do. > > History has important lessons to teach us about the absolute conviction > that 'We Are Right And They Are Wrong'... > > Cheers > Matt > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 28, 2001 Report Share Posted April 28, 2001 I love your messages Angie. You're very witty!!! ] Jane - " Angie Wright " <angiewright <vegan-network > Friday, April 27, 2001 10:40 PM Re: Re: The Matrix > Very interesting Matt {didn't understand a word] But if Lesley reckons I am > usually right then I'll go along with that [after all she's usually right > too ] Is it anything to do with being female? > - > " Matt " <matt > <vegan-network > > Friday, April 27, 2001 3:23 PM > RE: Re: The Matrix > > > > >I think it's OK for Angie to be the way she is, she is usually right > > >after all!! > > >Nothing wrong with being confident when we know right from wrong. > > >Lesley > > > > Hiya, > > > > Sounds like you are saying that the idea that 'we are right and they are > > wrong' is > > written in stone somehow. Are you implying that 'rightness' and > 'wrongness' > > are > > objectively verifiable, ie: that the property of 'rightness' or > 'wrongness' > > that > > belongs to a given phenomenon is 'real' in the same way that a brick is > > real? > > > > I judge meat eaters behaviour using my ethical system, but I do not > believe > > I > > have the right to judge the validity of their ethical system (yes, they do > > have one, > > it's just different). > > > > What I mean is that I do what I feel is right, and I believe that > > meat-eaters are > > wrong, but I am always aware that those beliefs are nothing more than > > *subjective* > > opinions; my ethical system is just as fallible and inconsistent as anyone > > elses > > - of course it is - I *make it up as I go along* - we all do. > > > > History has important lessons to teach us about the absolute conviction > > that 'We Are Right And They Are Wrong'... > > > > Cheers > > Matt > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 28, 2001 Report Share Posted April 28, 2001 Thanks Jane .We aim to please! Angie - " Jane Cuming " <jane.cuming <vegan-network > Saturday, April 28, 2001 12:12 AM Re: Re: The Matrix > I love your messages Angie. You're very witty!!! ] > > Jane > > > - > " Angie Wright " <angiewright > <vegan-network > > Friday, April 27, 2001 10:40 PM > Re: Re: The Matrix > > > > Very interesting Matt {didn't understand a word] But if Lesley reckons I > am > > usually right then I'll go along with that [after all she's usually right > > too ] Is it anything to do with being female? > > - > > " Matt " <matt > > <vegan-network > > > Friday, April 27, 2001 3:23 PM > > RE: Re: The Matrix > > > > > > > >I think it's OK for Angie to be the way she is, she is usually right > > > >after all!! > > > >Nothing wrong with being confident when we know right from wrong. > > > >Lesley > > > > > > Hiya, > > > > > > Sounds like you are saying that the idea that 'we are right and they are > > > wrong' is > > > written in stone somehow. Are you implying that 'rightness' and > > 'wrongness' > > > are > > > objectively verifiable, ie: that the property of 'rightness' or > > 'wrongness' > > > that > > > belongs to a given phenomenon is 'real' in the same way that a brick is > > > real? > > > > > > I judge meat eaters behaviour using my ethical system, but I do not > > believe > > > I > > > have the right to judge the validity of their ethical system (yes, they > do > > > have one, > > > it's just different). > > > > > > What I mean is that I do what I feel is right, and I believe that > > > meat-eaters are > > > wrong, but I am always aware that those beliefs are nothing more than > > > *subjective* > > > opinions; my ethical system is just as fallible and inconsistent as > anyone > > > elses > > > - of course it is - I *make it up as I go along* - we all do. > > > > > > History has important lessons to teach us about the absolute conviction > > > that 'We Are Right And They Are Wrong'... > > > > > > Cheers > > > Matt > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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