Cosmetics/Toiletries

[Guest guest]

I've read some of Vernon Coleman's writings as well, in fact you can all have

a look at some of them for free at his website..www.vernoncoleman.com.

He has some strong views whic sometimes overlap with mine. A good read

nonetheless.

Mark

[Guest guest]

Hello

I am using products up at the moment which i was given as presents or

bourght from boots. the problem with presents I find, is that as i didn't

buy them i don't need them. so they don't appear to be going down very fast,

it has been 3 months! (don't mean to sound ungrateful tho') seeing them and

using them makes me feel very unvegan.

I was promised by boots that there products wer'nt tested on animals when I

was vegetarian and so believed them. I think as I'd been veggie for so long

I stopped questioning things and looking back there were other things I

never open my eyes to.

 

what do people think of Vernon Coleman's books? I think he has excellent

points but I think people who don't already agree with his point of view

will be put off by his style. I was really suprised as they came from the

school library! Do you agree with his trail of thought that animal

experimentation is so utterly unscientific that it has never been useful in

medicine and so it is ok to use drug treatments.

 

Love Anne

 

> " Angie Wright " <angiewright

>vegan-network

><vegan-network >

>Re: Cosmetics/Toiletries

>Sun, 29 Apr 2001 15:11:05 +0100

>

>I'd use them because you made the sale so the " harm " has been done.You

>could take them to a charity shop if unused it might delay someone buying

>it as it will be cheaper .Peoples opinions will vary Angie

> -

> Jane Cuming

> vegan-network

> Sunday, April 29, 2001 10:15 AM

> Cosmetics/Toiletries

>

>

> I have cosmetics and toiletries which are not vegan friendly and some

>have definitely been tested on animals - ie. Clinique, Lancome etc. Now

>that I am a vegan I have been purchasing cruelty-free stuff, but I was

>wondering should I throw out the things that I already have, even if the

>bottles are full, or should I use them up? I'd like some help on this one

>as I bagged up all the things yesterday that I won't be buying again, but

>now I don't know what to do with them!

>

> Thanks.

>

> Jane (a new vegan!)

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I always understood Boots were being deceptively pedantic when they

say " We don't test our products on animals " . They either get someone

else to do the testing (so strictly " we don't " is true), or they test

the individual constituents (but the whole product isn't).

 

I could be behind the times on this though, because when I become

vegan 14 years ago I vowed never to use Boots again, and now mostly

ignore anything they say.

 

---

Rob

 

 

vegan-network, " Anne Grainger " <annejrgrainger@h...>

wrote:

> Hello

> I am using products up at the moment which i was given as presents

or

> bourght from boots. the problem with presents I find, is that as i

didn't

> buy them i don't need them. so they don't appear to be going down

very fast,

> it has been 3 months! (don't mean to sound ungrateful tho') seeing

them and

> using them makes me feel very unvegan.

> I was promised by boots that there products wer'nt tested on animals

when I

> was vegetarian and so believed them. I think as I'd been veggie for

so long

> I stopped questioning things and looking back there were other

things I

> never open my eyes to.

>

> what do people think of Vernon Coleman's books? I think he has

excellent

> points but I think people who don't already agree with his point of

view

> will be put off by his style. I was really suprised as they came

from the

> school library! Do you agree with his trail of thought that animal

> experimentation is so utterly unscientific that it has never been

useful in

> medicine and so it is ok to use drug treatments.

>

> Love Anne

>

> > " Angie Wright " <angiewright@n...>

> >vegan-network

> ><vegan-network>

> >Re: Cosmetics/Toiletries

> >Sun, 29 Apr 2001 15:11:05 +0100

> >

> >I'd use them because you made the sale so the " harm " has been

done.You

> >could take them to a charity shop if unused it might delay someone

buying

> >it as it will be cheaper .Peoples opinions will vary Angie

> > -

> > Jane Cuming

> > vegan-network

> > Sunday, April 29, 2001 10:15 AM

> > Cosmetics/Toiletries

> >

> >

> > I have cosmetics and toiletries which are not vegan friendly and

some

> >have definitely been tested on animals - ie. Clinique, Lancome etc.

Now

> >that I am a vegan I have been purchasing cruelty-free stuff, but I

was

> >wondering should I throw out the things that I already have, even

if the

> >bottles are full, or should I use them up? I'd like some help on

this one

> >as I bagged up all the things yesterday that I won't be buying

again, but

> >now I don't know what to do with them!

> >

> > Thanks.

> >

> > Jane (a new vegan!)

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

what I did was finish off everything I had that wasn't animal friendly and

as they ran out replaced them with animal friendly versions. I'm now

completely animal friendly. I think this is the accepted thing to do, as

you've already bought the goods so throwing them out will make no difference

in the long run. Lots of vegans I know have leather belts/shoes but had them

years before they became vegan but they still wear them. I'm not sure if I'd

go that far, but moisturiser etc. is gonna run out.

 

> ----------

> Jane Cuming

> Reply vegan-network

> Sunday, April 29, 2001 10:15 am

> vegan-network

> Cosmetics/Toiletries

>

> I have cosmetics and toiletries which are not vegan friendly and some have

> definitely been tested on animals - ie. Clinique, Lancome etc. Now that I

> am a vegan I have been purchasing cruelty-free stuff, but I was wondering

> should I throw out the things that I already have, even if the bottles are

> full, or should I use them up? I'd like some help on this one as I bagged

> up all the things yesterday that I won't be buying again, but now I don't

> know what to do with them!

>

> Thanks.

>

> Jane (a new vegan!)

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

If you,ve got vernon coleman,s book in your school then you,ve probably got

a sympathetic teacher or librarian .check it out Angie

-

" Anne Grainger " <annejrgrainger

<vegan-network >

Sunday, April 29, 2001 6:07 PM

Cosmetics/Toiletries

 

 

> Hello

> I am using products up at the moment which i was given as presents or

> bourght from boots. the problem with presents I find, is that as i didn't

> buy them i don't need them. so they don't appear to be going down very

fast,

> it has been 3 months! (don't mean to sound ungrateful tho') seeing them

and

> using them makes me feel very unvegan.

> I was promised by boots that there products wer'nt tested on animals when

I

> was vegetarian and so believed them. I think as I'd been veggie for so

long

> I stopped questioning things and looking back there were other things I

> never open my eyes to.

>

> what do people think of Vernon Coleman's books? I think he has excellent

> points but I think people who don't already agree with his point of view

> will be put off by his style. I was really suprised as they came from the

> school library! Do you agree with his trail of thought that animal

> experimentation is so utterly unscientific that it has never been useful

in

> medicine and so it is ok to use drug treatments.

>

> Love Anne

>

> > " Angie Wright " <angiewright

> >vegan-network

> ><vegan-network >

> >Re: Cosmetics/Toiletries

> >Sun, 29 Apr 2001 15:11:05 +0100

> >

> >I'd use them because you made the sale so the " harm " has been done.You

> >could take them to a charity shop if unused it might delay someone buying

> >it as it will be cheaper .Peoples opinions will vary Angie

> > -

> > Jane Cuming

> > vegan-network

> > Sunday, April 29, 2001 10:15 AM

> > Cosmetics/Toiletries

> >

> >

> > I have cosmetics and toiletries which are not vegan friendly and some

> >have definitely been tested on animals - ie. Clinique, Lancome etc. Now

> >that I am a vegan I have been purchasing cruelty-free stuff, but I was

> >wondering should I throw out the things that I already have, even if the

> >bottles are full, or should I use them up? I'd like some help on this

one

> >as I bagged up all the things yesterday that I won't be buying again, but

> >now I don't know what to do with them!

> >

> > Thanks.

> >

> > Jane (a new vegan!)

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Yeah i've read it, my school seams to be quite opened minded, two of my

teachers previously worked for greenpeace. however the town as a whole is

very mono cultured and people keep asking how i can be bothered!

Anne

 

 

> " Angie Wright " <angiewright

>vegan-network

><vegan-network >

>Re: Cosmetics/Toiletries

>Mon, 30 Apr 2001 19:26:21 +0100

>

>If you,ve got vernon coleman,s book in your school then you,ve probably got

>a sympathetic teacher or librarian .check it out Angie

>-

> " Anne Grainger " <annejrgrainger

><vegan-network >

>Sunday, April 29, 2001 6:07 PM

> Cosmetics/Toiletries

>

>

> > Hello

> > I am using products up at the moment which i was given as presents or

> > bourght from boots. the problem with presents I find, is that as i

>didn't

> > buy them i don't need them. so they don't appear to be going down very

>fast,

> > it has been 3 months! (don't mean to sound ungrateful tho') seeing them

>and

> > using them makes me feel very unvegan.

> > I was promised by boots that there products wer'nt tested on animals

>when

>I

> > was vegetarian and so believed them. I think as I'd been veggie for so

>long

> > I stopped questioning things and looking back there were other things I

> > never open my eyes to.

> >

> > what do people think of Vernon Coleman's books? I think he has excellent

> > points but I think people who don't already agree with his point of view

> > will be put off by his style. I was really suprised as they came from

>the

> > school library! Do you agree with his trail of thought that animal

> > experimentation is so utterly unscientific that it has never been useful

>in

> > medicine and so it is ok to use drug treatments.

> >

> > Love Anne

> >

> > > " Angie Wright " <angiewright

> > >vegan-network

> > ><vegan-network >

> > >Re: Cosmetics/Toiletries

> > >Sun, 29 Apr 2001 15:11:05 +0100

> > >

> > >I'd use them because you made the sale so the " harm " has been done.You

> > >could take them to a charity shop if unused it might delay someone

>buying

> > >it as it will be cheaper .Peoples opinions will vary Angie

> > > -

> > > Jane Cuming

> > > vegan-network

> > > Sunday, April 29, 2001 10:15 AM

> > > Cosmetics/Toiletries

> > >

> > >

> > > I have cosmetics and toiletries which are not vegan friendly and

>some

> > >have definitely been tested on animals - ie. Clinique, Lancome etc.

>Now

> > >that I am a vegan I have been purchasing cruelty-free stuff, but I was

> > >wondering should I throw out the things that I already have, even if

>the

> > >bottles are full, or should I use them up? I'd like some help on this

>one

> > >as I bagged up all the things yesterday that I won't be buying again,

>but

> > >now I don't know what to do with them!

> > >

> > > Thanks.

> > >

> > > Jane (a new vegan!)

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

town as a whole is

>very mono cultured and people keep asking how i can be bothered!

>Anne

>

>

I always find the people who cannot be bothered interesting, especially if they

are black or female.

 

I casually mention that similar types of people as myself would have been

campaigning for womens' rights or black rights should I have existed at that

time. It so happens that now the main issue appears to be animals.

 

I go on to explain to them that to be honest if women didn't have to vote life

would be easier for me (male) and so effectivly some women do not do justice to

that fact people once campained for their freedom.

 

I am sure men used to be questioned (when campigning for the right of women to

vote), their colleauges lauged at their judgemnt.

 

(Aside: My statement that I prefer women to not vote does have substance to it -

Thacher would have not won the '79 election if only men had made up the

electorate.)

 

It is a hurtful subject to us caring folk but, it is so tempting to tell the

black person who says to me I have my priorities wrong, that they could still be

slaves to whites, because, when someone campaigned for his fathers/

grandfather's freedom they actually listened and stopped campaigning.

 

This does not mean I believe it ok for the white middle class male anglo-saxon

to be devoid of blame, but I would have though the once underprivaledged would

appreciate being equal, and they most of all should not ridicule the campaigner.

 

So, the next time anyone who may have been underprivaledged (a hundered years

ago) questions your attempts to rectify todays mass unneccesary economic

slaughter of animals, just remind them that the person who helped free them

would have been laughed at too.

 

And to upset them - tell them they (as an unthanking individual) didn't deserve

the freedom they have now.

 

I just mention that I am nether a racist or a sexist person, but dabble in

philosophy and this is what I have come up with so far.

 

Please help if you think I am driving on the wrong side of the road but please

do so constructivly.

 

Practiacally - it is going to take someone who is really winding me up for me to

tell them what I think. I have not actually done it...yet.

 

The lovable Andy

 

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I just decided to use all af my old products up and then I've been replacing them with friendly products as i go along. i just hate to waste things (my friends call me the mad recycler) but that's just me I plan on wearing my old boots until they fall apart when people question me I just tell them " i had them before I became a vegan and I'm going to wear them until they fall apart then replace then with vegan shoes."

It works for me I couldn't give my make up away because i have darker skin then my mother , sister and roomates (I got the italian skin from my dad, he doesn't wear makeup) and I wear a larger size shoe then even my dad 10 in mens US so I had a hard enogh time finding women's shoes to fit my feet.

That was my decision.

Also, if any one knows of a really good shampoo and conditioner let me know I'm using one from kiss my face and it'd drying my hair out. I have very,very thick and wavy hair and it just leaves it too dry. Also any advice on web pages that sell cosmetics would be of help. The natural foods store here only sells basics, toothpaste and soap. The cosmetics I have were the only brand that was completely vegan I would like to shop around a bit and find what I like best.

Thanks,

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I like "lush" soap shampoos Particularly the camomile one Angie

 

-

Erin Sanna

vegan-network

Wednesday, May 02, 2001 4:33 AM

Re: Cosmetics/Toiletries

 

 

 

 

I just decided to use all af my old products up and then I've been replacing them with friendly products as i go along. i just hate to waste things (my friends call me the mad recycler) but that's just me I plan on wearing my old boots until they fall apart when people question me I just tell them " i had them before I became a vegan and I'm going to wear them until they fall apart then replace then with vegan shoes."

It works for me I couldn't give my make up away because i have darker skin then my mother , sister and roomates (I got the italian skin from my dad, he doesn't wear makeup) and I wear a larger size shoe then even my dad 10 in mens US so I had a hard enogh time finding women's shoes to fit my feet.

That was my decision.

Also, if any one knows of a really good shampoo and conditioner let me know I'm using one from kiss my face and it'd drying my hair out. I have very,very thick and wavy hair and it just leaves it too dry. Also any advice on web pages that sell cosmetics would be of help. The natural foods store here only sells basics, toothpaste and soap. The cosmetics I have were the only brand that was completely vegan I would like to shop around a bit and find what I like best.

Thanks,

Erin

 

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