Guest guest Posted May 3, 2001 Report Share Posted May 3, 2001 BTW, no one has ever explained to me how fish was a natural food for cats. i have never met a cat that could stand getting one hair wet voluntarly. > [ Aside: My statement that I prefer women to not vote does have > substance to it - Thacher would have not won the '79 election > if only men had made up the electorate. ] Aye, and if Thatcher had not been voted to power by women, all you students and your younger brothers and sisters would have still been receiving free education, we would have had a cheap nationalised railway system to travel on etc. the point you make is fair, there is a flipside to racial, class, sexual differences where one should not be distracted by what ever someone presents. someone may be black, female, from working class background but horrendously self centred or ignorant of facts. i think it is a great shame when minority uses their " disadvantage " to their own ends. in a way, the whole veggie/vegan/eco thing is one of the first social movement *not* to be wholy concerned with gaining advantages for itself. i have just been reading up about the histroy of the East End of London where i live. it turns out to have the real birth place of democracy with The Chartists meeting in what is now Victoria Park to campaign for votes for the working classes, the right to representation, a secret ballot at elections, the end of privileges for MPs and so on. the manifesto written by a chippie and his mate. the movement and protests were at the time a failure. 500 policemen were sent in with cutlases, hundred more in reserve, a regiment of Guardsman at the ready. but look what changes happened to modern politics. i just mention it post May Day because, how ever bad and messy these things look, it is hard to tell what changes they make. likewise with food politics. to be honest, if i see someone from a background that has suffered persecution, was emancipated and yet does nothing to pass on that favour; i probably do think less of them that an outspoken " fascist " . one needs patience... but i dont think that the planet has the capacity to absorb generations more of dumb senseless materialist consumers and situations like the rape of Palestine are awful to watch. this is where the bite is going to happen. who gets to say who lives, eats and enjoys and who gets to die in economic slavery. the world seems awfully savage to me still. not noble. john [ a Celt not a WASP ] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 3, 2001 Report Share Posted May 3, 2001 My cat caught a fish the week I got pregnant with Jade. It was all sparkly and rainbow coloured. - " john allan " <jallan " Cosmetics/Toiletries " <vegan-network > Thursday, May 03, 2001 6:40 AM re: Cosmetic Politics > BTW, no one has ever explained to me how fish was a natural food for > cats. i have never met a cat that could stand getting one hair wet > voluntarly. > > > [ Aside: My statement that I prefer women to not vote does have > > substance to it - Thacher would have not won the '79 election > > if only men had made up the electorate. ] > > Aye, > > and if Thatcher had not been voted to power by women, all you students > and your younger brothers and sisters would have still been receiving > free education, we would have had a cheap nationalised railway system to > travel on etc. > > the point you make is fair, there is a flipside to racial, class, sexual > differences where one should not be distracted by what ever someone > presents. someone may be black, female, from working class background but > horrendously self centred or ignorant of facts. i think it is a great > shame when minority uses their " disadvantage " to their own ends. > > in a way, the whole veggie/vegan/eco thing is one of the first social > movement *not* to be wholy concerned with gaining advantages for itself. > i have just been reading up about the histroy of the East End of London > where i live. it turns out to have the real birth place of democracy with > The Chartists meeting in what is now Victoria Park to campaign for votes > for the working classes, the right to representation, a secret ballot at > elections, the end of privileges for MPs and so on. the manifesto written > by a chippie and his mate. > > the movement and protests were at the time a failure. 500 policemen were > sent in with cutlases, hundred more in reserve, a regiment of Guardsman > at the ready. but look what changes happened to modern politics. i just > mention it post May Day because, how ever bad and messy these things > look, it is hard to tell what changes they make. likewise with food > politics. > > to be honest, if i see someone from a background that has suffered > persecution, was emancipated and yet does nothing to pass on that favour; > i probably do think less of them that an outspoken " fascist " . one needs > patience... but i dont think that the planet has the capacity to absorb > generations more of dumb senseless materialist consumers and situations > like the rape of Palestine are awful to watch. > > this is where the bite is going to happen. who gets to say who lives, > eats and enjoys and who gets to die in economic slavery. > > the world seems awfully savage to me still. not noble. > > john [ a Celt not a WASP ] > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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