Guest guest Posted May 8, 2001 Report Share Posted May 8, 2001 Hi just thought I'd add to the conversation that legalisation of drugs would no doubt result in animal testing to look for health risks. Any serious requests for this would therefore be un vegan. Anne >I'm 100% for the DE-criminalisation of dope, smack and >cocaine. Take the money away from dealing and all/most problems disappear. >The thing that annoys me most is it's the tax payer who's stumped for >health >costs _______________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 8, 2001 Report Share Posted May 8, 2001 > Hi just thought I'd add to the conversation that legalisation of drugs would no doubt result in animal testing to look for health risks. Any serious requests for this would therefore be un vegan. I'm under the impression that these drugs have already been tested on animals already even though much more valid and useful results could be gained from studying those who take them etc. Regards sue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 9, 2001 Report Share Posted May 9, 2001 I'm sure the tests are already happening....however, the real tests would begin when they try to isolate the ACTIVE ingredients. >Hi just thought I'd add to the conversation that legalisation of drugs >would >no doubt result in animal testing to look for health risks. Any serious >requests for this would therefore be un vegan. > >Anne > > >I'm 100% for the DE-criminalisation of dope, smack and > >cocaine. Take the money away from dealing and all/most problems >disappear. > >The thing that annoys me most is it's the tax payer who's stumped for > >health > >costs >_______________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > _______________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 9, 2001 Report Share Posted May 9, 2001 Please! You're reinstating the Vegans and AR only care about animals. The pros far out weigh the cons. If you honestly think this, then you've never really thought about this. Almost all of societies crime is drug related, because it's money related. People already know what the active agents are in " illicit " drugs. If this is unvegan then so is taking any painkiller (eg morphine) as it's been tested on animals. So next time there is a vegan cancer patient dieing on their death bed(which is less likely than a meatie!), you'll be first to tell them the drugs they are taking to relieve there horrendous pain (which no one can imagine until they've gone through it) are un-vegan and should stop? Get a grip mate. There is compassion, and then there is compassion. suzy.grayson [suzy.grayson] 08 May 2001 23:50 vegan-network Re: legalisation > Hi just thought I'd add to the conversation that legalisation of drugs would no doubt result in animal testing to look for health risks. Any serious requests for this would therefore be un vegan. Regards sue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 9, 2001 Report Share Posted May 9, 2001 Besides Anne, if you read my post you'd see I said decriminalisation, not legalisation. Need I explain the difference? Anne Grainger [annejrgrainger] 08 May 2001 21:34 vegan-network legalisation Hi just thought I'd add to the conversation that legalisation of drugs would no doubt result in animal testing to look for health risks. Any serious requests for this would therefore be un vegan. Anne >I'm 100% for the DE-criminalisation of dope, smack and >cocaine. Take the money away from dealing and all/most problems disappear. >The thing that annoys me most is it's the tax payer who's stumped for >health >costs _______________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 9, 2001 Report Share Posted May 9, 2001 What is the difference? > Besides Anne, if you read my post you'd see I said decriminalisation, not > legalisation. Need I explain the difference? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 9, 2001 Report Share Posted May 9, 2001 I`ll leave it to you Rowan....I`m bored explaining this one. > " Lesley Dove " <100706.3632 >vegan-network >vegan-network > Re: legalisation >Wed, 09 May 2001 10:14:23 -0000 > > >What is the difference? > > > Besides Anne, if you read my post you'd see I said >decriminalisation, not > > legalisation. Need I explain the difference? > > _______________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 9, 2001 Report Share Posted May 9, 2001 Alcohol is legalised. IE you (being 18+) can buy it from any licensed " dealer " . You can also drink it your house; and if what I've seen in public is legal, then you may drink in public too (streets). Decriminalised is different, more strict if you like. You may only go somewhere to take the drug, i.e. pharmacy. This is the only place where it is legal to be supplied and take the drug. In places where illicit drugs are decriminalised even for a trial (and the results have been fantastic), addicts are able to admit to their addiction without being charged with an offence. They then receive free (!) drugs daily normally in a pharmacy (private room), where they can inject the drugs with a clean needle under supervision. They are weaned off under medical supervision over time. Obviously they must be able to prove they are addicted to the drug by testing. It removes the dealers and pusher from the equation and they very quickly go out of business. When a drug is decriminalised, dealers-pushers and people using illicit drugs supplied by dealers can still be charged with an offence. I'm not for legalising any drug as we already have too many legal drugs. Dope should be decriminalised so MS suffers and the like can go relieve their symptoms. Anyone who says otherwise like that fascist old bag - Anne Widi-cum (now there's someone I would object to joining a queue of cows at a slaughterhouse) shouldn't complain when their children step on used needles in parks, toilets and beaches. Hope that's helped. Ro Lesley Dove [100706.3632] 09 May 2001 11:14 vegan-network Re: legalisation What is the difference? > Besides Anne, if you read my post you'd see I said decriminalisation, not > legalisation. Need I explain the difference? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 9, 2001 Report Share Posted May 9, 2001 I'd also like to advocate using the very word " un-vegan " is an oxymoron. It's unvegan to say its unvegan to say its unvegan to say its unvegan to say its etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 9, 2001 Report Share Posted May 9, 2001 > Alcohol is legalised. IE you (being 18+) can buy it from any licensed > " dealer " . You can also drink it your house; and if what I've seen in public > is legal, then you may drink in public too (streets). > Decriminalised is different, more strict if you like. > You may only go somewhere to take the drug, i.e. pharmacy. This is the only > place where it is legal to be supplied and take the drug. > In places where illicit drugs are decriminalised even for a trial (and the > results have been fantastic), addicts are able to admit to their addiction > without being charged with an offence. They then receive free (!) drugs > daily normally in a pharmacy (private room), where they can inject the drugs > with a clean needle under supervision. They are weaned off under medical > supervision over time. Obviously they must be able to prove they are > addicted to the drug by testing. It removes the dealers and pusher from the > equation and they very quickly go out of business. > When a drug is decriminalised, dealers-pushers and people using illicit > drugs supplied by dealers can still be charged with an offence. > I'm not for legalising any drug as we already have too many legal drugs. > Dope should be decriminalised so MS suffers and the like can go relieve > their symptoms. I am with you on this, I am in favour of genuine cannabis therapeutic use only, not people abusing it to get out of their heads. If this is the way decriminalisation really works, then I might agree with that, to help the genuine addicts to come off the drugs, and put the pushers out of business. I think alcohol should be un-legalised but maybe decriminalised too, same for tobacco, they should be treated the same as any other dangerous drug. > Anyone who says otherwise like that fascist old bag - Anne Widi-cum (now > there's someone I would object to joining a queue of cows at a > slaughterhouse) shouldn't complain when their children step on used needles > in parks, toilets and beaches. > Hope that's helped. > > Ro > I have to say that even though I have never voted conservative (nor have I any plans to do so), I actually quite like Anne Widdecombe as an individual because of her pro-life stance, and I also heard that she was against fox-hunting, so why are so many people so hateful to her? I would think she is one of the politicians who with the correct influences would tip over the edge and become one of us, or at least lacto-ovo veg, as she already exhibits a good bit of reverence for life, more than most politicians! Lesley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 9, 2001 Report Share Posted May 9, 2001 Oh dear Leslie, Oh dear oh dear oh dear oh dear oh dear.........oh dear oh dear oh dear oh dear...........oh dear oh dear......Ann being influenced to become one of us?....May I please point out...I AM DEFINATELY NOT ONE OF LESLIES " US " ...It takes a hell of a lot more to make a decent human being than a change of diet and a pro-life stance. Among other virtues, it takes tolerance, compassion & understanding. I have certainly never seen Miss W exibit these qualities. I look forward to her awakening though. The last decent polititian was Tony Benn....now theres a man who may have made me vote. mRBIG > " Lesley Dove " <100706.3632 >vegan-network >vegan-network > Re: legalisation >Wed, 09 May 2001 12:07:16 -0000 > > > > Alcohol is legalised. IE you (being 18+) can buy it from any >licensed > > " dealer " . You can also drink it your house; and if what I've seen >in public > > is legal, then you may drink in public too (streets). > > Decriminalised is different, more strict if you like. > > You may only go somewhere to take the drug, i.e. pharmacy. This is >the only > > place where it is legal to be supplied and take the drug. > > In places where illicit drugs are decriminalised even for a trial >(and the > > results have been fantastic), addicts are able to admit to their >addiction > > without being charged with an offence. They then receive free (!) >drugs > > daily normally in a pharmacy (private room), where they can inject >the drugs > > with a clean needle under supervision. They are weaned off under >medical > > supervision over time. Obviously they must be able to prove they >are > > addicted to the drug by testing. It removes the dealers and pusher >from the > > equation and they very quickly go out of business. > > When a drug is decriminalised, dealers-pushers and people using >illicit > > drugs supplied by dealers can still be charged with an offence. > > I'm not for legalising any drug as we already have too many legal >drugs. > > Dope should be decriminalised so MS suffers and the like can go >relieve > > their symptoms. > >I am with you on this, I am in favour of genuine cannabis therapeutic >use only, not people abusing it to get out of their heads. >If this is the way decriminalisation really works, then I might agree >with that, to help the genuine addicts to come off the drugs, and put >the pushers out of business. >I think alcohol should be un-legalised but maybe decriminalised too, >same for tobacco, they should be treated the same as any other >dangerous drug. > > > Anyone who says otherwise like that fascist old bag - Anne Widi-cum >(now > > there's someone I would object to joining a queue of cows at a > > slaughterhouse) shouldn't complain when their children step on used >needles > > in parks, toilets and beaches. > > Hope that's helped. > > > > Ro > > >I have to say that even though I have never voted conservative (nor >have I any plans to do so), I actually quite like Anne Widdecombe as >an individual because of her pro-life stance, and I also heard that >she was against fox-hunting, so why are so many people so hateful to >her? I would think she is one of the politicians who with the correct >influences would tip over the edge and become one of us, or at least >lacto-ovo veg, as she already exhibits a good bit of reverence for >life, more than most politicians! > >Lesley > > _______________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 9, 2001 Report Share Posted May 9, 2001 > Is 'intelligent policeman' an oxymoron? > Not at all. One of my all-time vegan heroines is a policewoman. Have you heard of Kim Hollingsworth, the vegan policewoman from Auz, who is fighting for the right to wear a vegan uniform, she has also fought police corruption and unfair dismissal, having got out of her former life as a stripper and prostitute. http://www.animal-lib.org.au/interviews/kim/ http://www.publicdebate.com.au/special/kimhol/ Interesting reading! Lesley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 9, 2001 Report Share Posted May 9, 2001 I shall say this slowly, yet again, mRBIG, my name is spelled L-E-S-L- E-Y. I swear you are still misspelling it purposely, even when I sign it clearly at the bottom! I would think that Anne Widdecombe already has the awakenings of compassion because she opposes the killing of foxes and unborn children, but maybe I'm not as cynical as you. Change of diet (or even just being anti-hunting) and being pro-life is a bloody good start I think! Some people come across as tolerant, compassionate and understanding and look like nice people on the surface, but it is all surface niceness while they are still eating animals or advocating other killing, so how are they any better than rather less charismatic but life-respecting people? They just con you into thinking they are better, maybe. Anne Widdecombe is more straightforward and honest than most, what you see is what you get! And yet she gets all this flak, from the very people who want honest politicians they can trust. Make your mind up what you want from politicians!! You don't seem to know!! Yes, it does take more than pro-life and being veggie to be a good person but celebrate the positive stuff and build on that! But Tony Benn was good in that he was veggie and good in perhaps other different ways from Anne Widdecombe. Tony Banks is veggie too. Lesley > Oh dear Leslie, Oh dear oh dear oh dear oh dear oh dear.........oh dear oh > dear oh dear oh dear...........oh dear oh dear......Ann being influenced to > become one of us?....May I please point out...I AM DEFINATELY NOT ONE OF > LESLIES " US " ...It takes a hell of a lot more to make a decent human being > than a change of diet and a pro-life stance. > > Among other virtues, it takes tolerance, compassion & understanding. I have > certainly never seen Miss W exibit these qualities. I look forward to her > awakening though. > > The last decent polititian was Tony Benn....now theres a man who may have > made me vote. > > mRBIG > > > > " Lesley Dove " <100706.3632@c...> > >vegan-network > >vegan-network > > Re: legalisation > >Wed, 09 May 2001 12:07:16 -0000 > > > > > > > Alcohol is legalised. IE you (being 18+) can buy it from any > >licensed > > > " dealer " . You can also drink it your house; and if what I've seen > >in public > > > is legal, then you may drink in public too (streets). > > > Decriminalised is different, more strict if you like. > > > You may only go somewhere to take the drug, i.e. pharmacy. This is > >the only > > > place where it is legal to be supplied and take the drug. > > > In places where illicit drugs are decriminalised even for a trial > >(and the > > > results have been fantastic), addicts are able to admit to their > >addiction > > > without being charged with an offence. They then receive free (!) > >drugs > > > daily normally in a pharmacy (private room), where they can inject > >the drugs > > > with a clean needle under supervision. They are weaned off under > >medical > > > supervision over time. Obviously they must be able to prove they > >are > > > addicted to the drug by testing. It removes the dealers and pusher > >from the > > > equation and they very quickly go out of business. > > > When a drug is decriminalised, dealers-pushers and people using > >illicit > > > drugs supplied by dealers can still be charged with an offence. > > > I'm not for legalising any drug as we already have too many legal > >drugs. > > > Dope should be decriminalised so MS suffers and the like can go > >relieve > > > their symptoms. > > > >I am with you on this, I am in favour of genuine cannabis therapeutic > >use only, not people abusing it to get out of their heads. > >If this is the way decriminalisation really works, then I might agree > >with that, to help the genuine addicts to come off the drugs, and put > >the pushers out of business. > >I think alcohol should be un-legalised but maybe decriminalised too, > >same for tobacco, they should be treated the same as any other > >dangerous drug. > > > > > Anyone who says otherwise like that fascist old bag - Anne Widi- cum > >(now > > > there's someone I would object to joining a queue of cows at a > > > slaughterhouse) shouldn't complain when their children step on used > >needles > > > in parks, toilets and beaches. > > > Hope that's helped. > > > > > > Ro > > > > >I have to say that even though I have never voted conservative (nor > >have I any plans to do so), I actually quite like Anne Widdecombe as > >an individual because of her pro-life stance, and I also heard that > >she was against fox-hunting, so why are so many people so hateful to > >her? I would think she is one of the politicians who with the correct > >influences would tip over the edge and become one of us, or at least > >lacto-ovo veg, as she already exhibits a good bit of reverence for > >life, more than most politicians! > > > >Lesley > > > > > > ____________________ ___ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 9, 2001 Report Share Posted May 9, 2001 I was under the impression Ken Livingstone wasn't a bad bloke but he seemed against the may day demonstrations and pleased at the police actions...anyone in a position to elaborate? > Oh dear Leslie, Oh dear oh dear oh dear oh dear oh dear.........oh dear oh >dear oh dear oh dear...........oh dear oh dear......Ann being influenced to >become one of us?....May I please point out...I AM DEFINATELY NOT ONE OF >LESLIES " US " ...It takes a hell of a lot more to make a decent human being >than a change of diet and a pro-life stance. > >Among other virtues, it takes tolerance, compassion & understanding. I have >certainly never seen Miss W exibit these qualities. I look forward to her >awakening though. > >The last decent polititian was Tony Benn....now theres a man who may have >made me vote. > >mRBIG > > > " Lesley Dove " <100706.3632 >vegan-network >vegan-network > Re: legalisation >Wed, 09 May 2001 12:07:16 -0000 > > > > Alcohol is legalised. IE you (being 18+) can buy it from any >licensed > > " dealer " . You can also drink it your house; and if what I've seen >in public > > is legal, then you may drink in public too (streets). > > Decriminalised is different, more strict if you like. > > You may only go somewhere to take the drug, i.e. pharmacy. This is >the only > > place where it is legal to be supplied and take the drug. > > In places where illicit drugs are decriminalised even for a trial >(and the > > results have been fantastic), addicts are able to admit to their >addiction > > without being charged with an offence. They then receive free (!) >drugs > > daily normally in a pharmacy (private room), where they can inject >the drugs > > with a clean needle under supervision. They are weaned off under >medical > > supervision over time. Obviously they must be able to prove they >are > > addicted to the drug by testing. It removes the dealers and pusher >from the > > equation and they very quickly go out of business. > > When a drug is decriminalised, dealers-pushers and people using >illicit > > drugs supplied by dealers can still be charged with an offence. > > I'm not for legalising any drug as we already have too many legal >drugs. > > Dope should be decriminalised so MS suffers and the like can go >relieve > > their symptoms. > >I am with you on this, I am in favour of genuine cannabis therapeutic >use only, not people abusing it to get out of their heads. >If this is the way decriminalisation really works, then I might agree >with that, to help the genuine addicts to come off the drugs, and put >the pushers out of business. >I think alcohol should be un-legalised but maybe decriminalised too, >same for tobacco, they should be treated the same as any other >dangerous drug. > > > Anyone who says otherwise like that fascist old bag - Anne Widi-cum >(now > > there's someone I would object to joining a queue of cows at a > > slaughterhouse) shouldn't complain when their children step on used >needles > > in parks, toilets and beaches. > > Hope that's helped. > > > > Ro > > >I have to say that even though I have never voted conservative (nor >have I any plans to do so), I actually quite like Anne Widdecombe as >an individual because of her pro-life stance, and I also heard that >she was against fox-hunting, so why are so many people so hateful to >her? I would think she is one of the politicians who with the correct >influences would tip over the edge and become one of us, or at least >lacto-ovo veg, as she already exhibits a good bit of reverence for >life, more than most politicians! > >Lesley > > > >_______________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at <a Target='_new' Href='http://talk21.btopenworld.com/redirect.html?http://www.hotmail.com'>http:/\ /www.hotmail.com</a> > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 9, 2001 Report Share Posted May 9, 2001 > i hope i didn't offend anyone btw - i might have easily used the old > 'trusted politician' !!! > > lol No offence to me, it just reminded me to refer people here to Kim's story. Just because AR people and other protesters often see the bad side of policing, it's probably not accurate to pigeonhole the police as all bad. I met a vegan once who said there were veggie and vegan police officers in his local veggie group, and I'd say that we need more Ethical Vegans in that profession, because they are less likely to be corrupt and unethical than anyone else! I'd certainly urge intelligent vegans to join professions where they can make a positive difference, and the police force seems as good a place as any other. A vegan police officer would surely be far less likely than a non-vegan police officer to abuse their power and get heavy handed on AR protesters. I'm sure there would be less trouble between protesters and the police if there were more ethical people joining the profession, people like Kim, who is not only a vegan but has stood up to police corruption. Lesley > > > Is 'intelligent policeman' an oxymoron? > > > > > >Not at all. > >One of my all-time vegan heroines is a policewoman. > > > >Have you heard of Kim Hollingsworth, the vegan policewoman from Auz, > >who is fighting for the right to wear a vegan uniform, she has also > >fought police corruption and unfair dismissal, having got out of her > >former life as a stripper and prostitute. > > > ><a Target='_new' Href='http://talk21.btopenworld.com/redirect.html? http://www.animal-lib.org.au/interviews/kim/'>http://www.animal- lib.org.au/interviews/kim/</a> > > > ><a Target='_new' Href='http://talk21.btopenworld.com/redirect.html? http://www.publicdebate.com.au/special/kimhol/'>http://www.publicdebat e.com.au/special/kimhol/</a> > > > >Interesting reading! > > > >Lesley > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 9, 2001 Report Share Posted May 9, 2001 i hope i didn't offend anyone btw - i might have easily used the old 'trusted politician' !!! lol > > Is 'intelligent policeman' an oxymoron? > > >Not at all. >One of my all-time vegan heroines is a policewoman. > >Have you heard of Kim Hollingsworth, the vegan policewoman from Auz, >who is fighting for the right to wear a vegan uniform, she has also >fought police corruption and unfair dismissal, having got out of her >former life as a stripper and prostitute. > ><a Target='_new' Href='http://talk21.btopenworld.com/redirect.html?http://www.animal-lib.org.au/i\ nterviews/kim/'>http://www.animal-lib.org.au/interviews/kim/</a> > ><a Target='_new' Href='http://talk21.btopenworld.com/redirect.html?http://www.publicdebate.com.au\ /special/kimhol/'>http://www.publicdebate.com.au/special/kimhol/</a> > >Interesting reading! > >Lesley > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 9, 2001 Report Share Posted May 9, 2001 Hello Anne, Tuesday, May 08, 2001, 11:33:51 PM, you wrote: AG> Hi just thought I'd add to the conversation that legalisation of drugs would AG> no doubt result in animal testing to look for health risks. Any serious AG> requests for this would therefore be un vegan. Ei da! Most of this drugs have been already tested on humans, so scientists just must to gather results. >>I'm 100% for the DE-criminalisation of dope, smack and >>cocaine. Take the money away from dealing and all/most problems disappear. >>The thing that annoys me most is it's the tax payer who's stumped for >>health >>costs -------- Best regards, Sergio, CEO vegan http://www.royalwebhosting.com Royal Web Hosting - Royal Quality Hosting Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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