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> Whats a Condom?

 

I now see why you have a kid with another one on the way!! ;-))

 

How's your wife/girlf getting on with her pregnancy by the way?

 

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Shes doing a lot better than she was when having the first and being just a

veggie.

 

 

We are gonna find out the sex at the next scan. Mind you it doesn`t matter,

all its clothes are made of gold.

 

 

 

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I heard a few years ago that one study had linked a high number of

ultrasound scans to a higher incidence of dyslexia. I don't think

enough studies were done to prove it, but it makes sense to me that

it could have some weird effects on the developing brain to expose it

to high frequency sound.

 

On balance therefore I always opt to only have an ultrasound if there

is a clear medical reason for it.

 

When I was pregnant with my daughter I had no scans at all and I only

had one when I was slightly overdue with my son, because his head had

not engaged. There was a very good medical reason to have a scan to

rule out the possibility of placenta praevia, so I did the sensible

thing and had it, because this is a condition requiring a caesarean.

Fortunately the placenta was in the right place, his head just didn't

engage until labour which is by no means terribly rare.

 

Where we live they don't tell the parents the sex of the baby, in

case some (sick though it is) have abortions because it's the wrong

sex. I think this is a little hypocritical of the doctors, since one

of the reasons for routine ultrasound is to seek out disabled babies

and offer abortions! Medical ethics to me are pretty screwed up.

 

I didn't even get any hassle for refusing routine scans, it might be

different this time, as I will probably be under a different doctor,

but I know that thanks to the internet I can find some groups who

will support the view that scans are only needed for a real medical

reason.

 

As for testing my blood without my permission, which Mertle says

happens, this is very worrying, and I will make sure I get a written

reassurance that no tests will be done without my express permission,

if I give a sample for a particular test, say for iron levels (I'll

need to ask if that test is vegan before I submot any blood for it),

they will not be allowed to do other tests on it or I will kick up

such a stink in the media about informed patient choices and they

will live to regret messing with me!

 

I thought they had to get permission to do tests, for instance

AIDS/HIV testing of donated blood, you can't donate blood unless you

give permission for these tests to be done. I am going to be the

world's most awkward patient, because they are not going to be

allowed to do any non-vegan testing on my blood and I will make sure

of that.

 

Lesley

 

 

> Shes doing a lot better than she was when having the first and

being just a

> veggie.

>

>

> We are gonna find out the sex at the next scan. Mind you it doesn`t

matter,

> all its clothes are made of gold.

>

>

>

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Good Luck Lesley...but from what I`ve heard too....once they get their claws

on your blood, its just something to gain statistics from....You`ll possibly

get the reasurance....but once it gets into the hands of the testers there

will not be any special instructions written

on your test tube.....

 

I suppose you could go in there...make them do the tests, then take all your

blood back...if so, can I come with my video camera?

 

Surely you know Lesley that " their word " means absolutely nothing.

 

 

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> " Lesley Dove " <100706.3632

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> Re: Condoms

>Fri, 11 May 2001 23:31:20 -0000

>

>

>I heard a few years ago that one study had linked a high number of

>ultrasound scans to a higher incidence of dyslexia. I don't think

>enough studies were done to prove it, but it makes sense to me that

>it could have some weird effects on the developing brain to expose it

>to high frequency sound.

>

>On balance therefore I always opt to only have an ultrasound if there

>is a clear medical reason for it.

>

>When I was pregnant with my daughter I had no scans at all and I only

>had one when I was slightly overdue with my son, because his head had

>not engaged. There was a very good medical reason to have a scan to

>rule out the possibility of placenta praevia, so I did the sensible

>thing and had it, because this is a condition requiring a caesarean.

>Fortunately the placenta was in the right place, his head just didn't

>engage until labour which is by no means terribly rare.

>

>Where we live they don't tell the parents the sex of the baby, in

>case some (sick though it is) have abortions because it's the wrong

>sex. I think this is a little hypocritical of the doctors, since one

>of the reasons for routine ultrasound is to seek out disabled babies

>and offer abortions! Medical ethics to me are pretty screwed up.

>

>I didn't even get any hassle for refusing routine scans, it might be

>different this time, as I will probably be under a different doctor,

>but I know that thanks to the internet I can find some groups who

>will support the view that scans are only needed for a real medical

>reason.

>

>As for testing my blood without my permission, which Mertle says

>happens, this is very worrying, and I will make sure I get a written

>reassurance that no tests will be done without my express permission,

>if I give a sample for a particular test, say for iron levels (I'll

>need to ask if that test is vegan before I submot any blood for it),

>they will not be allowed to do other tests on it or I will kick up

>such a stink in the media about informed patient choices and they

>will live to regret messing with me!

>

>I thought they had to get permission to do tests, for instance

>AIDS/HIV testing of donated blood, you can't donate blood unless you

>give permission for these tests to be done. I am going to be the

>world's most awkward patient, because they are not going to be

>allowed to do any non-vegan testing on my blood and I will make sure

>of that.

>

>Lesley

>

>

> > Shes doing a lot better than she was when having the first and

>being just a

> > veggie.

> >

> >

> > We are gonna find out the sex at the next scan. Mind you it doesn`t

>matter,

> > all its clothes are made of gold.

> >

> >

> >

> >

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> I heard a few years ago that one study had linked a high number of

> ultrasound scans to a higher incidence of dyslexia. I don't think enough

> studies were done to prove it, but it makes sense to me that it could have

> some weird effects on the developing brain to expose it to high frequency

> sound.

 

Personally, I doubt very much whether the low power involved in an

ultrasound would have any significant effect on the fetal brain. A recent

review of the effect of ultrasound found no such effects. The abtsract says:

 

" The present paper summarizes some of the epidemiological studies of in

utero ultrasound exposure and subsequent childhood development, Emphasis is

placed on birthweight, childhood malignancies and neurological development.

A meta-analysis, including neurological outcomes such as handedness, speech

development, motor development, hearing and vision, is presented. The

epidemiological evidence does not indicate any association between

diagnostic ultrasound exposure during pregnancy and reduced birthweight,

childhood malignancies or, neurological maldevelopment. The possible

association between ultrasound and nonright-handedness among boys needs

further evaluation. "

 

From

Salvesen KA, Eik-Nes SH (1999) Ultrasound during pregnancy and birthweight,

childhood malignancies and neurological development. Ultrasound in Medicine

and Biology. 25 (7), 1025-1031

 

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> > I heard a few years ago that one study had linked a high number of

> > ultrasound scans to a higher incidence of dyslexia. I don't think

enough

> > studies were done to prove it, but it makes sense to me that it

could have

> > some weird effects on the developing brain to expose it to high

frequency

> > sound.

>

> Personally, I doubt very much whether the low power involved in an

> ultrasound would have any significant effect on the fetal brain. A

recent

> review of the effect of ultrasound found no such effects. The

abtsract says:

>

> " The present paper summarizes some of the epidemiological studies

of in

> utero ultrasound exposure and subsequent childhood development,

Emphasis is

> placed on birthweight, childhood malignancies and neurological

development.

> A meta-analysis, including neurological outcomes such as

handedness, speech

> development, motor development, hearing and vision, is presented.

The

> epidemiological evidence does not indicate any association between

> diagnostic ultrasound exposure during pregnancy and reduced

birthweight,

> childhood malignancies or, neurological maldevelopment. The

possible

> association between ultrasound and nonright-handedness among boys

needs

> further evaluation. "

>

Thanks for the reassurance, but the implication here is surely that

left-handedness is a problem?

I'm not sure why anyone ever thought that left-handedness was a

problem or disability. It used to be frowned upon. My mother's cousin

was a natural left-hander forced to write with the right hand and he

ended up with a stutter! This happened to many left-handers forced to

use their right.

I'm left-handed and it hasn't caused me any problems, my mother would

have never allowed me to be forced to use my non-dominant hand. By

the time I was in school the teachers had abandoned such cruel and

outdated practices anyway.

 

Lesley

 

>

> From

> Salvesen KA, Eik-Nes SH (1999) Ultrasound during pregnancy and

birthweight,

> childhood malignancies and neurological development. Ultrasound in

Medicine

> and Biology. 25 (7), 1025-1031

>

> Vaughan

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>I'm not sure why anyone ever thought that left-handedness was a

>problem or disability. It used to be frowned upon.

 

Being left handed means that if you buy a guitar it will cost around 10% more.

I am not left handed - I just wondered if anyone else knew this.

 

Andy

 

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> > The possibleassociation between ultrasound and nonright-handedness among

> > boys needsfurther evaluation. "

> >

> Thanks for the reassurance, but the implication here is surely that

> left-handedness is a problem?

 

Not really, they're just pointing out a statistical occurence in their

study. There could be two reasons why this is happening.

 

One is that is simply a statistical anomaly, and does not reflect any

significant effect (which I would think is the most likely considering the

very low powers used in ultrasound). The other is that ultrasound is causing

a greater incidence of left handedness, in which case it may be having an

effect on the fetal brain (since handedness is determined by the

organisation of the brain). A value judgement on the nature of left or right

handedness isn't implied.

 

Similarly, almost all the studies done on mobile phone use have shown that

the low levels of radiation actually improve cognitive performance (e.g.

improving memory performance). However, this is just as worrying since it

may show that mobile phones are having a definite effect on the brain, which

in the long term might be damaging.

 

Vaughan

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> > > The possibleassociation between ultrasound and nonright-

handedness among

> > > boys needsfurther evaluation. "

> > >

> > Thanks for the reassurance, but the implication here is surely

that

> > left-handedness is a problem?

>

> Not really, they're just pointing out a statistical occurence in

their

> study. There could be two reasons why this is happening.

>

> One is that is simply a statistical anomaly, and does not reflect

any

> significant effect (which I would think is the most likely

considering the

> very low powers used in ultrasound). The other is that ultrasound

is causing

> a greater incidence of left handedness, in which case it may be

having an

> effect on the fetal brain (since handedness is determined by the

> organisation of the brain). A value judgement on the nature of left

or right

> handedness isn't implied.

>

At one time left-handedness was very much frowned upon to the point

that people were murdered for it.

There may be some societies which still persecute left-handers.

>

> Similarly, almost all the studies done on mobile phone use have

shown that

> the low levels of radiation actually improve cognitive performance

(e.g.

> improving memory performance). However, this is just as worrying

since it

> may show that mobile phones are having a definite effect on the

brain, which

> in the long term might be damaging.

>

I did hear that there was a correlation between mobile phone use and

the incidence of certain types of brain tumours.

 

Lesley

>

> Vaughan

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Lesley Dove [100706.3632]

15 May 2001 11:20

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Re: Condoms

 

 

 

> > > The possibleassociation between ultrasound and nonright-

handedness among

> > > boys needsfurther evaluation. "

> > >

> > Thanks for the reassurance, but the implication here is surely

that

> > left-handedness is a problem?

>

> Not really, they're just pointing out a statistical occurence in

their

> study. There could be two reasons why this is happening.

>

> One is that is simply a statistical anomaly, and does not reflect

any

> significant effect (which I would think is the most likely

considering the

> very low powers used in ultrasound). The other is that ultrasound

is causing

> a greater incidence of left handedness, in which case it may be

having an

> effect on the fetal brain (since handedness is determined by the

> organisation of the brain). A value judgement on the nature of left

or right

> handedness isn't implied.

>

At one time left-handedness was very much frowned upon to the point

that people were murdered for it.

There may be some societies which still persecute left-handers.

>

> Similarly, almost all the studies done on mobile phone use have

shown that

> the low levels of radiation actually improve cognitive performance

(e.g.

> improving memory performance). However, this is just as worrying

since it

> may show that mobile phones are having a definite effect on the

brain, which

> in the long term might be damaging.

>

I did hear that there was a correlation between mobile phone use and

the incidence of certain types of brain tumours.

 

Lesley

>

> Vaughan

 

 

 

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Who care's---But you're lovely with it !!!!! Angie

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Monday, May 14, 2001 11:24 PM

Re: Re: Condoms

 

 

>

>>

> Being left handed means that if you buy a guitar it will cost around 10%

more.

> I am not left handed - I just wondered if anyone else knew this.

>

> Andy

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