Guest guest Posted May 15, 2001 Report Share Posted May 15, 2001 Lesley, I don't mean to be nasty, you do have a tendency to come across as petrified of drugs, when it's the people taking and the system you should worry about. What worries me is young teenagers take soft drugs and either getting a criminal record or being pushed on to harder drugs because this society seems to think it's a good thing to give power and money to dealers. Your position only strengthens societies phobias and escalates the problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 15, 2001 Report Share Posted May 15, 2001 > Lesley, > I don't mean to be nasty, you do have a tendency to come across as petrified > of drugs, when it's the people taking and the system you should worry about. > What worries me is young teenagers take soft drugs and either getting a > criminal record or being pushed on to harder drugs because this society > seems to think it's a good thing to give power and money to dealers. > Your position only strengthens societies phobias and escalates the problem. It's a good think I am petrified of drugs, pity more people aren't, then they won't start taking them in the first place! I want my kids to be afraid of the dangers. It worries me that parents don't teach their children properly what is dangerous. My position is to say no, because drugs are dangerous and can kill. That is certainly not helping the dealers, just the opposite. I don't know how my attitude is escalating the problem. I've never taken an illegal drug in my life and I would always report to the police anyone I knew to be dealing drugs. Lesley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 15, 2001 Report Share Posted May 15, 2001 I'm afraid you telling your kids " just say no! " (reeking of government proper gander) is nothing compared to the peer pressure and drug pushers. Let your kid spend a day with their peers and they'll probably bend. Better keep em locked up ! I think all phobias obscure judgement. I'd be willing to bet if there were a referendum on DE-CRIMINALISING drugs, you'd think twice or worst yet vote no. I was made well aware of the dangers of drugs and STD's at school and by my dad who's a social worker. That never stopped me smoking cannabis. Lesley Dove [100706.3632] 15 May 2001 11:13 vegan-network Re: Drug phobias It's a good think I am petrified of drugs, pity more people aren't, then they won't start taking them in the first place! I want my kids to be afraid of the dangers. It worries me that parents don't teach their children properly what is dangerous. My position is to say no, because drugs are dangerous and can kill. That is certainly not helping the dealers, just the opposite. I don't know how my attitude is escalating the problem. I've never taken an illegal drug in my life and I would always report to the police anyone I knew to be dealing drugs. Lesley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 15, 2001 Report Share Posted May 15, 2001 wrote: > I'm afraid you telling your kids " just say no! " (reeking of government > proper gander) is nothing compared to the peer pressure and drug pushers. > Let your kid spend a day with their peers and they'll probably bend. Better > keep em locked up ! > I think all phobias obscure judgement. I'd be willing to bet if there were > a referendum on DE-CRIMINALISING drugs, you'd think twice or worst yet vote > no. > I was made well aware of the dangers of drugs and STD's at school and by my > dad who's a social worker. That never stopped me smoking cannabis. > Oh please, just because you were a fool and smoked (I don't distinguish between cannabis and tobacco, it's all basically lung- rot), certainly doesn't mean my kids will be like that! They won't be kept uninformed either, because I will show them some of the facts about these terrible drugs as they get older, so they will be able to be the ones exerting the peer pressure on their friends, and give the good health reasons why they should say no. My kids will not be likely to be the weak ones bowing down to the pressure from less intelligent and knowledgeable kids. There's too much of me in them, and I never gave in to peer pressure, it was not in my nature. I was not that weak, although I haven't always been strong in everything, I was always strong in this respect. I'd like to see a pusher try getting my kids to take anything, they will get more flak than they bargained for. I even got the local paper to take my side against the doctor who struck me off for refusing vaccinations, so in the public arena I got the better of a legal drug-pusher, a fairly well-respected GP. The media were on my side, and the side of the Informed Parent, so do you think I am going to allow my kids to be taken in by an illegal drug- pusher, when their lives could be at stake if they have anything to do with such trashy people? I will teach my kids to yell so loud what this person is trying to do that any dealer will go running off proverbial tail between his legs! Lesley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 15, 2001 Report Share Posted May 15, 2001 I'm happy for you then, I'm sure your kids will be able to tell them mummy said no. You obviously don't have rebellious teenagers. As a legitimate warning. When one of you children comes home from their friends and says, " mummy, I'm going to bed now, I'm tired " . You may not even realise why. My parents thought just like you. I'm glad I had friend who did drugs, it gave me a perspective on life you'll never get as an adult. Please remember that (quote): " just because you were a fool and smoked " is your opinion. I'd add IMO or IMHO after that so people don't think you're stating it as fact. Peer pressure isn't about being weak. You can be as strong or weak as you like. Lesley Dove [100706.3632] 15 May 2001 12:00 vegan-network Re: Drug phobias wrote: > I'm afraid you telling your kids " just say no! " (reeking of government > proper gander) is nothing compared to the peer pressure and drug pushers. > Let your kid spend a day with their peers and they'll probably bend. Better > keep em locked up ! > I think all phobias obscure judgement. I'd be willing to bet if there were > a referendum on DE-CRIMINALISING drugs, you'd think twice or worst yet vote > no. > I was made well aware of the dangers of drugs and STD's at school and by my > dad who's a social worker. That never stopped me smoking cannabis. > Oh please, just because you were a fool and smoked (I don't distinguish between cannabis and tobacco, it's all basically lung- rot), certainly doesn't mean my kids will be like that! They won't be kept uninformed either, because I will show them some of the facts about these terrible drugs as they get older, so they will be able to be the ones exerting the peer pressure on their friends, and give the good health reasons why they should say no. My kids will not be likely to be the weak ones bowing down to the pressure from less intelligent and knowledgeable kids. There's too much of me in them, and I never gave in to peer pressure, it was not in my nature. I was not that weak, although I haven't always been strong in everything, I was always strong in this respect. I'd like to see a pusher try getting my kids to take anything, they will get more flak than they bargained for. I even got the local paper to take my side against the doctor who struck me off for refusing vaccinations, so in the public arena I got the better of a legal drug-pusher, a fairly well-respected GP. The media were on my side, and the side of the Informed Parent, so do you think I am going to allow my kids to be taken in by an illegal drug- pusher, when their lives could be at stake if they have anything to do with such trashy people? I will teach my kids to yell so loud what this person is trying to do that any dealer will go running off proverbial tail between his legs! Lesley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 15, 2001 Report Share Posted May 15, 2001 > I'm happy for you then, I'm sure your kids will be able to tell them mummy > said no. You obviously don't have rebellious teenagers. No, my kids will not just be able to say Mummy said no, you really don't get it, do you? They will know why they are saying no, and be able to explain some of the reasons why they don't want to take something that might kill or injure them! It's very important that they can tell their friends that these things are dangerous and even some of the terrible things that could happen. They will be empowered by knowledge, not just because they have a strong mummy! They are not teenagers yet, but they will be well brought up enough to have some good common sense, and avoid danger. Not all teenagers are especially rebellious anyway, how I hate that generalisation. > As a legitimate warning. When one of you children comes home from their > friends and says, " mummy, I'm going to bed now, I'm tired " . > You may not even realise why. My parents thought just like you. I'm glad I > had friend who did drugs, it gave me a perspective on life you'll never get > as an adult. I will remember that although it's all a few years off yet, they are only 8, 5, and about minus 5 months. If I have any suspicions I will make sure I know where they are and that the friend's parents know there might be something funny going on. Please explain this perspective, it just sounds like some form of subtle propaganda to convince people that those who experiment are somehow better and wiser in their perspectives than those who don't. It's bullshit, I definitely have not missed out from saying no, and not hanging around as a teenager with people who did drugs is no loss in my life. I'm sure I was better off without people like that in my life. MrBig thinks he has gained something from taking drugs, you think you have gained a certain perspective from your friend. My perspective is fine and clear for having not taken drugs, thank you. And I did know a few dopeheads in an AR group once. All I learned from them is that they were not very nice people, because they thought I was weird for not having anything to do with drugs, they were the most conformist people I have ever met in my whole life. They didn't like AR people like me who dressed differently, talked differently, didn't do drugs, etc. They were a bit cultish and odd. Of course they were actually weak, most of them, needing to be the same as the crowd they were in. Of course for a lot of these fickle people AR and being vegan was just a fad which some of them abandoned when they decided to be " normal " , conformity again. > Please remember that (quote): > " just because you were a fool and smoked " > is your opinion. I'd add IMO or IMHO after that so people don't think > you're stating it as fact. Ah, but I am stating it as self-evident fact that anyone who takes such poison is something of a fool. I'm not implying that you are a fool now, you seem to be very into healthy living now, and would be entitled to call me a fool for eating too much junk food, and I would not argue with that! > Peer pressure isn't about being weak. You can be as strong or weak as you > like. > I disagree, giving in to peer pressure is very much about being weak, and not standing up for what you know is right and healthy for you. Lesley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 15, 2001 Report Share Posted May 15, 2001 I'm with you ,Lesley but not as knowledgeable as you,I didn't rebel as a teen ager and nor have my oldest kids They know all drugs even paracetamol etc are dangerous and best avoided.One of my sons is silly enough to have dabbled with pot,but has now,I hope grown out of it [.Mainly because of peer pressure at uni.].We can only hope that our kids stand up to the pressure.,appreciating that parents care for their health far more than so called friends . Angie ---- Original Message ----- " Lesley Dove " <100706.3632 <vegan-network > Tuesday, May 15, 2001 1:02 PM Re: Drug phobias > > > I'm happy for you then, I'm sure your kids will be able to tell > them mummy > > said no. You obviously don't have rebellious teenagers. > > No, my kids will not just be able to say Mummy said no, you really > don't get it, do you? They will know why they are saying no, and be > able to explain some of the reasons why they don't want to take > something that might kill or injure them! It's very important that > they can tell their friends that these things are dangerous and even > some of the terrible things that could happen. They will be empowered > by knowledge, not just because they have a strong mummy! > They are not teenagers yet, but they will be well brought up enough > to have some good common sense, and avoid danger. > Not all teenagers are especially rebellious anyway, how I hate that > generalisation. > > > As a legitimate warning. When one of you children comes home from > their > > friends and says, " mummy, I'm going to bed now, I'm tired " . > > You may not even realise why. My parents thought just like you. > I'm glad I > > had friend who did drugs, it gave me a perspective on life you'll > never get > > as an adult. > > I will remember that although it's all a few years off yet, they are > only 8, 5, and about minus 5 months. > If I have any suspicions I will make sure I know where they are and > that the friend's parents know there might be something funny going > on. > Please explain this perspective, it just sounds like some form of > subtle propaganda to convince people that those who experiment are > somehow better and wiser in their perspectives than those who don't. > It's bullshit, I definitely have not missed out from saying no, and > not hanging around as a teenager with people who did drugs is no loss > in my life. I'm sure I was better off without people like that in my > life. > MrBig thinks he has gained something from taking drugs, you think you > have gained a certain perspective from your friend. My perspective is > fine and clear for having not taken drugs, thank you. > And I did know a few dopeheads in an AR group once. All I learned > from them is that they were not very nice people, because they > thought I was weird for not having anything to do with drugs, they > were the most conformist people I have ever met in my whole life. > They didn't like AR people like me who dressed differently, talked > differently, didn't do drugs, etc. They were a bit cultish and odd. > Of course they were actually weak, most of them, needing to be the > same as the crowd they were in. Of course for a lot of these fickle > people AR and being vegan was just a fad which some of them abandoned > when they decided to be " normal " , conformity again. > > > Please remember that (quote): > > " just because you were a fool and smoked " > > is your opinion. I'd add IMO or IMHO after that so people don't > think > > you're stating it as fact. > > Ah, but I am stating it as self-evident fact that anyone who takes > such poison is something of a fool. > I'm not implying that you are a fool now, you seem to be very into > healthy living now, and would be entitled to call me a fool for > eating too much junk food, and I would not argue with that! > > > Peer pressure isn't about being weak. You can be as strong or weak > as you > > like. > > > I disagree, giving in to peer pressure is very much about being weak, > and not standing up for what you know is right and healthy for you. > > Lesley > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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