Lesley's drug raving

[Guest guest]

Lesley Dove, I have listened to a lot of your rants about how bad drugs

are for everybody. I've had enough, and I can't sit still and

listen to it any more. You don't know what's right for everyone

else.

 

First off, how do you even define drugs? In the past couple of years I've

found a lot of things in daily life that are drugs but people don't know

it. Fast food, that's a drug. It's peddled + pushed, and in America at

least a lot of people are hooked and it'll kill them. Television is a

drug. It pacifies and numbs, and again, here in the US, people are

hooked. After being vegan for one year, then in a time of extreme stress

breaking down and eating a whole pint of ice cream, I discovered that ice

cream too is a drug. I'm not exaggerating, I was high for a couple of

hours and had very strange dreams. Fasting is a drug. It brings about

types of awareness and enlightenment. And makes me want more. Sex is

certainly a drug. Oh, yes. My point, everything has an effect on

your mental state. When you understand this, you realize that it's not so

clear what is a 'drug' and what is not.

 

But far more important than this is the simple fact that nothing is

inherently good or bad. And don't start thinking of murder, because for

goodness sake euthenasia is sometimes the best option. Everything is

situation dependent. I have experimented with some drugs in my life. I

have found that different people are affected by things in different

ways. I cannot stand weed - it makes me too quiet and paranoid. This does

not happen to everyone. Some people shouldn't drink alcohol b/c it makes

them violent. I do not advocate the use of most drugs by most people, but

I do know people who have found a substance that helps them in ways they

were unable to do otherwise. I know one person who really did have ADD,

and ritilin has made his world over into a comfortable place in which to

live, instead of the chaoctic hell he knew before. My mother has found

that St. John's wort has turned her life around. After 30 years of

deppresion, she is a new woman now. I know several artists and musicians

who use drugs to channel their creative energy. It works for them.

 

Therefore, I think the best mindset that children could be raised with is

that of respecting and knowing themselves (their own mind + body). Saying

" these drugs are bad for you and those are good for you " is

disempowering. Everyone must come to know themselves for

themselves. Certainly, it is important to help eachother on that path (my

friend is allergic to ginko, and had a hard time pinpointing what kept

making him so crazy, until I noticed the pattern). But it is no one's

place to tell anyone else, even their own children, what is good or bad

for them. Information is important to have though, such as the medical

documentation of how a drug affects you. Unfortunately, the war on drugs

has made this information stigmatised and unavailable for any substances

which society deems undesirable. But the most important thing for an

individual to have in life is knowledge, in this case that is knowledge

both of themselves and of the particular " drug " under debate.

 

I do agree that inflicting drug use upon your young children is bad. This

is for the same reason as why it's bad to inflict fear and paranoia of

drugs upon your children. That reason is just that you cannot know

yourself how it affects them. I'm glad you plan to educate your children

about the dangers, but I hope to god you do the same for your cola

drinks. Don't you know that stuff is about as bas as cigarettes? It's

disgusting what it does to one's body. Not to mention what a 'drug' it

is. It hooks me harder than any other drug I've tried - including tobacco

and some very addictive illegal ones.

 

And remember, a lot of the dangers of drugs are due to ignorance. That is

to say, people hurt themselves with drugs when they lack an understanding

of what it is that they are doing to they're body. Or they know, but are

addicted (perhaps like you and the cola ;| ). The fear that you have

towards drugs would be more suitably directed as a fear of uninformed

decisions, and also government support of killers like tobacco, alcohol,

and automobiles!

 

Quit the soda, don't let your kids see you drink it, and for god's sake,

don't let them touch it, please.

 

Meghan

[Guest guest]

>

> Lesley Dove, I have listened to a lot of your rants about how bad

drugs

> are for everybody. I've had enough, and I can't sit still and

> listen to it any more. You don't know what's right for everyone

> else.

>

> First off, how do you even define drugs? In the past couple of

years I've

> found a lot of things in daily life that are drugs but people don't

know

> it. Fast food, that's a drug. It's peddled + pushed, and in America

at

> least a lot of people are hooked and it'll kill them. Television is

a

> drug. It pacifies and numbs, and again, here in the US, people are

> hooked. After being vegan for one year, then in a time of extreme

stress

> breaking down and eating a whole pint of ice cream, I discovered

that ice

> cream too is a drug. I'm not exaggerating, I was high for a couple

of

> hours and had very strange dreams. Fasting is a drug. It brings

about

> types of awareness and enlightenment. And makes me want more. Sex is

> certainly a drug. Oh, yes. My point, everything has an effect on

> your mental state. When you understand this, you realize that it's

not so

> clear what is a 'drug' and what is not.

>

> But far more important than this is the simple fact that nothing is

> inherently good or bad. And don't start thinking of murder, because

for

> goodness sake euthenasia is sometimes the best option. Everything is

> situation dependent. I have experimented with some drugs in my

life. I

> have found that different people are affected by things in different

> ways. I cannot stand weed - it makes me too quiet and paranoid.

This does

> not happen to everyone. Some people shouldn't drink alcohol b/c it

makes

> them violent. I do not advocate the use of most drugs by most

people, but

> I do know people who have found a substance that helps them in ways

they

> were unable to do otherwise. I know one person who really did have

ADD,

> and ritilin has made his world over into a comfortable place in

which to

> live, instead of the chaoctic hell he knew before. My mother has

found

> that St. John's wort has turned her life around. After 30 years of

> deppresion, she is a new woman now. I know several artists and

musicians

> who use drugs to channel their creative energy. It works for them.

>

> Therefore, I think the best mindset that children could be raised

with is

> that of respecting and knowing themselves (their own mind + body).

Saying

> " these drugs are bad for you and those are good for you " is

> disempowering. Everyone must come to know themselves for

> themselves. Certainly, it is important to help eachother on that

path (my

> friend is allergic to ginko, and had a hard time pinpointing what

kept

> making him so crazy, until I noticed the pattern). But it is no

one's

> place to tell anyone else, even their own children, what is good or

bad

> for them. Information is important to have though, such as the

medical

> documentation of how a drug affects you. Unfortunately, the war on

drugs

> has made this information stigmatised and unavailable for any

substances

> which society deems undesirable. But the most important thing for an

> individual to have in life is knowledge, in this case that is

knowledge

> both of themselves and of the particular " drug " under debate.

>

> I do agree that inflicting drug use upon your young children is

bad. This

> is for the same reason as why it's bad to inflict fear and paranoia

of

> drugs upon your children. That reason is just that you cannot know

> yourself how it affects them. I'm glad you plan to educate your

children

> about the dangers, but I hope to god you do the same for your cola

> drinks. Don't you know that stuff is about as bas as cigarettes?

It's

> disgusting what it does to one's body. Not to mention what a 'drug'

it

> is. It hooks me harder than any other drug I've tried - including

tobacco

> and some very addictive illegal ones.

>

> And remember, a lot of the dangers of drugs are due to ignorance.

That is

> to say, people hurt themselves with drugs when they lack an

understanding

> of what it is that they are doing to they're body. Or they know,

but are

> addicted (perhaps like you and the cola ;| ). The fear that you have

> towards drugs would be more suitably directed as a fear of

uninformed

> decisions, and also government support of killers like tobacco,

alcohol,

> and automobiles!

>

> Quit the soda, don't let your kids see you drink it, and for god's

sake,

> don't let them touch it, please.

>

I agree somewhat with you, I know I have some bad habits that need

working on changing, I'm not so arrogant as those on this list who

have tried illegal drugs and still think it's OK to do that and

advocate it to others. I am humble enough to know I have some

unhealthy habits and don't need or want any more!

I certainly don't tell people, even my kids, that it's good to drink

cola drinks, and we do put limits on them, and yet MrBig has strongly

advocated trying LSD (some of the things he says on this list are

probably tantamount to incitement and might be against the law, so he

should be careful), I don't think you can compare my rants to his

craziness!

 

Lesley

 

>

> Meghan