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Sod it. I wasn't going to say all this but I will anyway.

 

to Lesley -

 

I'm not so arrogant as those on this list who

> have tried illegal drugs and still think it's OK to do that and

> advocate it to others.

 

I think that Mr Big, Mertle & I (and a few others it seems ) just agree

that certain 'drugs' enable particular insights to come about that

cannot be gained without first hand experience, and that someone who

wants to speak authoritatively about the experience will need to have

had the experience for themselves in order to know what they are

talking about.

 

Same with everything - you can't really say what Egypt is like unless

you've been to Egypt, although you might know some things that are said

about it.

 

The external appearance of someone who takes drugs will not necessarily

reflect their internal, personal experience - most drugs are not like

alcohol where you can tell what someone is going through by their

actions and facial expression.

 

Ofcourse drugs are not appropriate for everyone and what suits some

people won't suit others. The drugs that I have found work well with

me, have certainly helped me deal with a lot of personal issues that

years of counselling did not help with prior to drug use. Even the bad

trips were only bad because they forced me to deal productively with

things otherwise buried and damaging to me.

 

Leslie - you've met me, you've seen me with my daughter, you know how

well we get on, and how happy we are together ~ how healthy and well

adjusted she is. How can you say that because someone has or has not

taken drugs will affect thir capabilities as a parent? It is not a fair

criticism of Mr Big. No more fair than it is to say that vegans are not

fit parents. All of us live our lives in a different way from each

other.

 

There is a huge difference between the different 'drugs'. There is also

a huge difference between sharing information and dealing or

incitement.

 

There is also a huge difference between people who mow down old ladies

on crack and people who gain personal insight through 'hallucinogens'

or explore creative experience and thought with cannabis.

 

I hope that I am able to help my daughter understand the difference as

she grows up - so that she can make informed choices, and will

(whatever her choices are,) be able to trust my opinion and advice -

(about both dangers and positive experiences,) knowing that my

knowledge, passed on to her, comes from direct experience not media

bullshit or paranoia.

 

She will know then, (if she finds in her life experiences that what I

have told her about rings true,) that I really mean it when I say I

will always be there for her - and she may also then take my word for

it about avoiding some dangerous situations. This way, I will always

know she will be safe. Will your children be able to turn to you if

they have a bad experience with something you dissapprove of or have

warned them against? Drugs or otherwise? What if they try meat and get

food poisening? They will need your comfort, love and advice, not your

criticism.

 

I know you love your children and it is right for you to be cautious,

but please be careful - take it from an ex-drug user - they might

respect your views much more if you are gentler with how you express

your views and why you fear for their safety. I was never able to talk

to my parents about it all. Don't risk alienating them whatever you do -

this doesn't mean you have to comprimise your views - but try not to

judge too harshly and keep an open mind.

 

I'm proved wrong about something every day - but I'm sure of this one.

I know in myself that just as alcohol brings out violence in violent

people, cannabis brings out the creative in me, and LSD brings out the

thinker in me - and ofcourse the insights I gain change my way of

thinking. It is just like any learning experience in this respect.

 

Buddha says that removing ignorance is like the pain of removing a

thorn.

 

Acid has taught me that none of us have got it right. Not when we stop

and tell other people what to believe.

 

And mertle - you too! You know what I'm talking about. You should know

why Leslie is so defensive.

 

Can't we all just stop fighting and start being a vegan support group?

Hannah

 

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