Guest guest Posted May 16, 2001 Report Share Posted May 16, 2001 What do people think of soy products? I tend to eat a little and will be up'ing it with tempeh kits and the like. There are so many soya death stories circulating. Most are easily debunked, but then there are some that stick to the " uncertain " receptors in my brain. I just don't see the difference between any other bean, soy or not. Anything bad about soy far outweighs the bad about animal products that are so raved about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 16, 2001 Report Share Posted May 16, 2001 > What do people think of soy products? I think most of 'em are yummy and nutritious. > There are so many soya death stories circulating. Most are easily debunked, but then there are some that stick to the " uncertain " receptors in my brain. I've heard that most of the 'soya is bad for you' stories come from sources with vested interests in animal products so take 'em with a pinch of salt or dairy products!! ;-) As the old cliche' goes, if we are to believe everything we hear about food then we wouldn't eat anything! We have to die somehow so we might as well enjoy ourselves whilst we can! Talking about not eating, am considering doing the 'yogic diet' you talked about. That or a de-tox. Does anybody know of a de-tox diet I can follow? Cheers, Suz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 17, 2001 Report Share Posted May 17, 2001 I love the idea of soy products but have to admit there are more than just a few nay-sayers around. Probably the bits that worry me most are: - the anti-nutrients which are said to block uptake of vitamin/mineral content of diet - high aluminium content in soy-protein isolates - however, most brands of soy milk have less aluminium than orange juice so it's just soy-protein based products to watch out for. this could explain the brain-weight/aging noted in high soy-consumers in Hawaii. as we know, research has linked aluminium in diet to alzheimers. I think what is needed is more research, and in particular new methods of refining SPI's to reduce their aluminium content. I've become a 'careful' soy protein consumer, eating tofu maybe twice a week max until I have some unbiased evidence that it's safe. Ash Mccartney, Rowan \(R.N.\) rmccar14 Wed, 16 May 2001 09:04:20 -0400 vegan-network Soya death What do people think of soy products? I tend to eat a little and will be up'ing it with tempeh kits and the like. There are so many soya death stories circulating. Most are easily debunked, but then there are some that stick to the " uncertain " receptors in my brain. I just don't see the difference between any other bean, soy or not. Anything bad about soy far outweighs the bad about animal products that are so raved about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 17, 2001 Report Share Posted May 17, 2001 I love the idea of soy products but have to admit there are more than just a few nay-sayers around. Probably the bits that worry me most are: - the anti-nutrients which are said to block uptake of vitamin/mineral content of diet - there are some vitamins/minerals (e.g. B12, calcium, iron) that vegans need to make sure they are not blocking! - high aluminium content in soy-protein isolates - however, most brands of soy milk have less aluminium than orange juice so it's just soy-protein based products to watch out for. this could explain the brain-weight/aging noted in high soy-consumers in Hawaii. as we know, research has linked aluminium in diet to alzheimers. I think what is needed is more research, and in particular new methods of refining SPI's to reduce their aluminium content. I've become a 'careful' soy protein consumer, eating tofu maybe twice a week max until I have some unbiased evidence that it's safe. Ash Mccartney, Rowan \(R.N.\) rmccar14 Wed, 16 May 2001 09:04:20 -0400 vegan-network Soya death What do people think of soy products? I tend to eat a little and will be up'ing it with tempeh kits and the like. There are so many soya death stories circulating. Most are easily debunked, but then there are some that stick to the " uncertain " receptors in my brain. I just don't see the difference between any other bean, soy or not. Anything bad about soy far outweighs the bad about animal products that are so raved about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 17, 2001 Report Share Posted May 17, 2001 What are these soya deaths ? I haven't heard of any,. Angie - <suzy.grayson <vegan-network > Wednesday, May 16, 2001 10:35 PM Re: Soya death > > > There are so many soya death stories circulating. Most are easily > debunked, > > Suz > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 18, 2001 Report Share Posted May 18, 2001 The Al. content has been debunked. They could have looked at any food that has water in it and said it had high levels of Al, as it was in the water. What a useless study. Most of the anti-nutrient stuff doesn't worry me, the bits that do makes me wonder how much we know about digestion and what our bodies are capable of. The " anti-nutrients " cited are in most foods I eat. Ashley Hooper [ash_hooper] 17 May 2001 21:04 vegan-network Re: Soya death I love the idea of soy products but have to admit there are more than just a few nay-sayers around. Probably the bits that worry me most are: - the anti-nutrients which are said to block uptake of vitamin/mineral content of diet - there are some vitamins/minerals (e.g. B12, calcium, iron) that vegans need to make sure they are not blocking! - high aluminium content in soy-protein isolates - however, most brands of soy milk have less aluminium than orange juice so it's just soy-protein based products to watch out for. this could explain the brain-weight/aging noted in high soy-consumers in Hawaii. as we know, research has linked aluminium in diet to alzheimers. I think what is needed is more research, and in particular new methods of refining SPI's to reduce their aluminium content. I've become a 'careful' soy protein consumer, eating tofu maybe twice a week max until I have some unbiased evidence that it's safe. Ash Mccartney, Rowan \(R.N.\) rmccar14 Wed, 16 May 2001 09:04:20 -0400 vegan-network Soya death What do people think of soy products? I tend to eat a little and will be up'ing it with tempeh kits and the like. There are so many soya death stories circulating. Most are easily debunked, but then there are some that stick to the " uncertain " receptors in my brain. I just don't see the difference between any other bean, soy or not. Anything bad about soy far outweighs the bad about animal products that are so raved about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 18, 2001 Report Share Posted May 18, 2001 Soya death was a figure of speech, no one (to my knowledge) has ever died of soya consumption, unless they choked to death! Some people; who can normally be traced to dairy or otherwise interested parties, would like to advocate it's a toxic poison and we should be drinking dairy like real men... RAR. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 18, 2001 Report Share Posted May 18, 2001 Just in case anyone has seen a dairy/meat add recently.... I remember a mushroom advert in Auz to counter the countless milk/meat adds that run. Went something along the line of " it's got more protein/iron per weight than beef.... Mushrooms.... it's meat for Vegetarians " . I know it's atypical, but still better than a beef advert. I cringe when I think about my meat pies at school. I swear you could actually see the cholesterol. What a great country. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 18, 2001 Report Share Posted May 18, 2001 Well I daily consume Soya Protein shakes (looking for a good rice protein powder if anyone can help) for my gym training, which are renowned to be high in aluminium content. I don't doubt you but to put my (and other peoples') minds at rest do you have any links to some of the news articles/science sites that debunk these claims? che' Ash vegan-network, " Mccartney, Rowan (R.N.) " <rmccar14@v...> wrote: > The Al. content has been debunked. They could have looked at any food that > has water in it and said it had high levels of Al, as it was in the water. > What a useless study. Most of the anti-nutrient stuff doesn't worry me, the > bits that do makes me wonder how much we know about digestion and what our > bodies are capable of. The " anti-nutrients " cited are in most foods I eat. > > > Ashley Hooper [ash_hooper] > 17 May 2001 21:04 > vegan-network > Re: Soya death > > > I love the idea of soy products but have to admit there are more than just a > few nay-sayers around. Probably the bits that worry me most are: > > - the anti-nutrients which are said to block uptake of vitamin/mineral > content of diet - there are some vitamins/minerals (e.g. B12, calcium, iron) > that vegans need to make sure they are not blocking! > - high aluminium content in soy-protein isolates - however, most brands of > soy milk have less aluminium than orange juice so it's just soy- protein > based products to watch out for. this could explain the brain- weight/aging > noted in high soy-consumers in Hawaii. as we know, research has linked > aluminium in diet to alzheimers. > > I think what is needed is more research, and in particular new methods of > refining SPI's to reduce their aluminium content. I've become a 'careful' > soy protein consumer, eating tofu maybe twice a week max until I have some > unbiased evidence that it's safe. > > Ash Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 18, 2001 Report Share Posted May 18, 2001 I think to eat too much of one particular food cant be healthy, I drink a glass of calcium enriched soya milk a day and eat tofu no more than once a fortnight, and buy in the occasional soya sausage. Soya products are everywhere now, it`s good to have a wide range of vegan substitutes but I limit myself with them, I wont buy soya margerine because there are vegetable ones out there,for example...as well as substituting animal products it`s also a good thing, im sure, to try and find " some " alternative soya ones aswell. what do you all think? mertle _______________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 18, 2001 Report Share Posted May 18, 2001 I definitely agree, I alternate soya milk with Oat, Rice, Almond milk etc (xcept I ain't found any almond milk in the UK yet) and I tend to only have Tofu when I eat out. vegan-network, " mertle blu " <mertleblu@h...> wrote: > > > > I think to eat too much of one particular food cant be healthy, I drink a > glass of calcium enriched soya milk a day and eat tofu no more than once a > fortnight, and buy in the occasional soya sausage. > > Soya products are everywhere now, it`s good to have a wide range of vegan > substitutes but I limit myself with them, I wont buy soya margerine because > there are vegetable ones out there,for example...as well as substituting > animal products it`s also a good thing, im sure, to try and find " some " > alternative soya ones aswell. > > > > what do you all think? > > mertle > > ____________________ ___ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 18, 2001 Report Share Posted May 18, 2001 Hi there, >I definitely agree, I alternate soya milk with Oat, Rice, Almond milk >etc (xcept I ain't found any almond milk in the UK yet) and I tend to >only have Tofu when I eat out. I know here is almond milk in the U.K, just bought a packet in my local healthshop in Leeds! I haven't tried it yet though, but look forward to open it, it looks very nice! I usually buy soyamilk, sometimes with vanillaflawour - it's so sweet & nice and I've got a BIG sweet tooth you know. But now I'm gonna try to vary it a bit and start to taste the almond milk! Where about do you live? LOVE SandraGet Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 18, 2001 Report Share Posted May 18, 2001 I live and work in London, but really I'm a legal alien on loan from New Zealand. vegan-network, " Sandra Pehrsson " <sandrapehr@h...> wrote: > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 18, 2001 Report Share Posted May 18, 2001 Granovita or the other brand do a combined Soya almond milk that is excellent. > Regards, > > Rowan McCartney > Undergraduate Placement Student > Electronic Throttle Control > Visteon ETS > Room GB-28/861 > Visteon Technical Centre > Laindon, Basildon, Essex > SS15 6EE, England. > > * +44-(0)1268-40-6212 > FordNet : 738-6212 > * Rmccar14 ash_hooper [ash_hooper] 18 May 2001 13:16 vegan-network Re: Soya death I definitely agree, I alternate soya milk with Oat, Rice, Almond milk etc (xcept I ain't found any almond milk in the UK yet) and I tend to only have Tofu when I eat out. vegan-network, " mertle blu " <mertleblu@h...> wrote: > > > > I think to eat too much of one particular food cant be healthy, I drink a > glass of calcium enriched soya milk a day and eat tofu no more than once a > fortnight, and buy in the occasional soya sausage. > > Soya products are everywhere now, it`s good to have a wide range of vegan > substitutes but I limit myself with them, I wont buy soya margerine because > there are vegetable ones out there,for example...as well as substituting > animal products it`s also a good thing, im sure, to try and find " some " > alternative soya ones aswell. > > > > what do you all think? > > mertle > > ____________________ ___ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 19, 2001 Report Share Posted May 19, 2001 hi i dont take any notice of what the media say about soya. if meat eaters moan at me for eating soya i tell them to look at what they are eating. soya hasnt affected me in any way that i know of and if it is to blame for deaths it has killed such a small percentage of the population i dont think its worth taking much notice of. there are many perple that have benifited from soya - soya is supposed to prevent cancer if you dont already have it and make it worse if you do. love lola __________ Get your free @.co.uk address at http://mail..co.uk or your free @.ie address at http://mail..ie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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