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vegan-network, " Mccartney, Rowan (R.N.) " <rmccar14@v...>

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> Absolutely, all vegan women should be constantly pregnant. We

could get a

> rota of vegan men going. ONLY KIDDING!

> Better yet, adopt non-vegan children (discrimination permitting)

and you'd

> even better off. Tax bonus all around is what I say!

>

I was on the phone recently with a vegan mother who wants to adopt,

and was told she would not have a chance, being vegan.

My advice was that she should remind them of the existence of the new

anti-discrimination law, the Human Rights Act, which outlaws

religious and beliefs-based discrimination.

I believe that vegans can and should where necessary use this law to

their advantage, whether they are discriminated against by social

services, or in the workplace.

 

Lesley

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>I was on the phone recently with a vegan mother who wants to adopt,

>and was told she would not have a chance, being vegan.

 

That is absolutely outrageous! I had no idea being vegan could prevent

someone from giving a child a loving home! I guess a lot of people are

ignorant about the health benefits of a vegan diet and think that this would

be 'abusing' a child in some way, perhaps? If that is the case, maybe they

should look at what others are feeding their adopted children.

That sounds like good advice you gave her. I really hope something comes of

it.

Dee>

>

 

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vegan-network, " Dee Matheson " <dmatheson72@h...> wrote:

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> >I was on the phone recently with a vegan mother who wants to adopt,

> >and was told she would not have a chance, being vegan.

>

> That is absolutely outrageous! I had no idea being vegan could

prevent

> someone from giving a child a loving home! I guess a lot of people

are

> ignorant about the health benefits of a vegan diet and think that

this would

> be 'abusing' a child in some way, perhaps? If that is the case,

maybe they

> should look at what others are feeding their adopted children.

> That sounds like good advice you gave her. I really hope something

comes of

> it.

> Dee>

> >

 

You don't know the half of it, there are at this moment several vegan

families (I know of at least four) facing the possibility of having

their children taken into care, and mostly because of anti-vegan

prejudice and ignorance from social services. There is someone on the

Vegan Society council who is supporting these parents, but it's a

pretty bad time for them.

This is why vegans need to get tough and use anti-discrimination law

to protect our right to live this way.

I'm angry that they would prefer to target vegans rather than the

many parents and pregnant women who smoke and who are clearly harming

their kids, but they get away with it mostly because they live and

eat fairly conventionally. They have their priorities totally messed

up when it comes to child protection.

One vegan mum is being picked on because her child is not potty

trained (she is not three yet!), and because she lets her sleep with

her, and she is still breastfeeding.

 

Lesley

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& You don't know the half of it, there are at this

moment several vegan <BR>

families (I know of at least four) facing the

possibility of having <BR>

their children taken into care, and mostly because of

anti-vegan <BR>

prejudice and ignorance from social services.

 

i was brought up vegan and my parents had no problems

as far as i know, with the social sevices. i know the

schools had a problem with it so when my dad died, my

mum then brought us up vegetarian as she couldnt deal

with the pressure. (this is 18 years ago). i then

returned to veganism when i was 17.

 

and because she lets her sleep with <BR>

her, and she is still breastfeeding.<BR>

 

my mum brought her children up sleeping with her

untill they felt comfortable to sleep on their own. i

stopped when i was about 8/9

 

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Chance 'ud be a fine thing Angie Oh was it only a joke Rowan?????

 

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Wednesday, May 23, 2001 1:43 PM

RE: Re: population ethics (not the subject change

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> Absolutely, all vegan women should be constantly pregnant. We could get a

> rota of vegan men going. ONLY KIDDING!

!)

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We need to know where and when this kind of bullying goes on.We should all

band together {Especially those who have vegan children ]to defend our

lifestyles.

We could all write letters to the authorities concerned.,and write to the

local newspapers. Bullies only get away with it in secret .The facts have to

be made public.These families need our support surely Angie--

 

 

 

 

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" Lesley Dove " <100706.3632

<vegan-network >

Wednesday, May 23, 2001 7:43 PM

Re: population ethics (not the subject change !)

>

> You don't know the half of it, there are at this moment several vegan

> families (I know of at least four) facing the possibility of having

> their children taken into care, and mostly because of anti-vegan

> prejudice and ignorance from social services. There is someone on the

> Vegan Society council who is supporting these parents, but it's a

> pretty bad time for them.

> This is why vegans need to get tough and use anti-discrimination law

> to protect our right to live this way.> One vegan mum is being picked on

because her child is not potty

> trained (she is not three yet!), and because she lets her sleep with

> her, and she is still breastfeeding.

>

> Lesley

>

>

>

>

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vegan-network, " Angie Wright " <angiewright@n...> wrote:

> We need to know where and when this kind of bullying goes on.We

should all

> band together {Especially those who have vegan children ]to defend

our

> lifestyles.

> We could all write letters to the authorities concerned.,and write

to the

> local newspapers. Bullies only get away with it in secret .The

facts have to

> be made public.These families need our support surely Angie--

>

 

The problem is that they are scared and not ready to go public as far

as I know. They and only they can make that decision, although it is

frustrating to know this is happening, and not being made public. If

it was me, I would go to the media in a big way and make it public,

but it isn't my choice. One has been advised by her solicitor not to

annoy the authorities but I think she should be complaining and suing

right now. They are getting good support from Stephen Walsh of the

Vegan Society council, and those who are long-term breastfeeding I

think have La Leche League support and information to pass on to the

authorities.

I know that it is happening in Manchester, in a couple of London

boroughs, both north and south London, and Hertfordshire, but that is

all I can say.

Obviously I can't discuss who these people are, but those I know

slightly seem very stable and responsible parents.

I wish I could do more.

 

Lesley

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How can we EVER expect children to report bullying when adults keep

quiet.!!All the vegans +all long term breast feeders would be a formidable

group to fight against .One isolated family is easy to knock down.

Do solicitors always get it right? Is the solicitor knowledgeable about the

issues?Does he'/she care?

 

I bet most vegan mothers breastfeed for longer than the " norm " .What is the

time accepted by the Social Services anyway,?

DO these families know each other.they would feel less isolated if in

contact..

 

I sometimes think those in power are too full of their own importance.The

doctor who told me my son could be made a ward of court{because I wantd to

leave hospital 2 days after the birth as originally decided.--She wanted me

to stay to get my diet sorted out and for the milk to come thro'--I'd been

vegan for 12yrs at the time!!!___

Per haps she thought vegans wouldn't produce milk!!! ]

 

Another woman in the ward was constipated for 7 days/had her newborn

circumcised/Used to go out to smoke/the child was heavily jaundiced/the

child was put in the nursery at night/and bottle fed[her choice]. This

mother was fussed over -no threats!She had a bowl ful of fruit and never ate

it !] Strange world we live in Angie

 

 

r-

" Lesley Dove " <100706.3632

<vegan-network >

Wednesday, May 23, 2001 11:36 PM

Re: population ethics (not the subject change !)

 

 

> vegan-network, " Angie Wright " <angiewright@n...> wrote:

> > We need to know where and when this kind of bullying goes on.We

> > . Bullies only get away with it in secret .The

> facts have to

> > be made public.These families need our support surely Angie--

> >

>

> The problem is that they are scared and not ready to go public as far

.. One has been advised by her solicitor not to

> annoy the authorities . They are getting good support from Stephen Walsh

of the

> Vegan Society council, and those who are long-term breastfeeding I

> think have La Leche League support and information to pass on to the

> authorities.

>

> Lesley

>

>

>

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>there are at this moment several vegan

>families (I know of at least four) facing the possibility of having

>their children taken into care, and mostly because of anti-vegan

>prejudice and ignorance from social services. There is someone on the

>Vegan Society council who is supporting these parents, but it's a

>pretty bad time for them.

>This is why vegans need to get tough and use anti-discrimination law

>to protect our right to live this way.

>I'm angry that they would prefer to target vegans rather than the

>many parents and pregnant women who smoke and who are clearly harming

>their kids, but they get away with it mostly because they live and

>eat fairly conventionally.

 

It is so unfair how they would rather target vegans, who in most cases are

very caring people. It also makes me angry that a former neighbour of mine

was a drug abuser, was in and out of jail all the time for assault and yet

he still has his kids!! It's insane!

 

They have their priorities totally messed

>up when it comes to child protection.

>One vegan mum is being picked on because her child is not potty

>trained (she is not three yet!), and because she lets her sleep with

>her, and she is still breastfeeding.

>

>Lesley

>

>

 

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