Guest guest Posted June 21, 2001 Report Share Posted June 21, 2001 Hi Lola, Don't get leather confused with animal skin. Animal skin is treated with chemicals to become the man made material leather. No vegan ever buys leather, seconds hand leather is debatable. My stance is once my leather has worn out I won't by anymore, second-hand or not. Mostly because I'm trying to set an example so people can see I don't ware it. May stance on leather and oil materials. I'll buy man made chemical material over man made animal skin material treated with chemicals any day. I'd much rather stick to natural fibres like hemp (what a shame it's not used more, we've got the anti-cannabis brigade to thank for that). Cotton is the most heavily peciticised crop around apparently. Interestingly, it's also rotated with peanut crop. Hence the reason one will only find organic peanut products in my house. The bottom line is " waste " isn't a definite term. Yes it's wasteful to not use animal skin if the animal were to die anyway, but waste is everywhere around us. I don't want the animal to die in the first place. Then again, how is returning animal skin to the earth wasteful in the big picture? Waste is a man made term that defines waste one our terms. I think it's wasteful to waist resources on animal products in the first place, even more wasteful to waist money on those products. Money is the bottom line after all. I doubt the animal industry would bother using the skins if they had no value. This is when the definition of waist would kick in, in a different meaning. I.E. they have no value therefore are waste. Just rambling. RM Lola [sunsetlola] i dont know whether producing leather from the animal to the state it is sold in is bad for the environment (perhaps someone can tell me), but i do know that producing pvc releases a lot or bad chemicals. so if an animal is going to be killed anyway for meat, isnt it better to use the skin than to waste it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2001 Report Share Posted June 21, 2001 - Lola vegan-network Thursday, June 21, 2001 10:08 AM [100% veg*n ] gothic clothing i dont know whether producing leather from the animal to the state it is sold in is bad for the environment (perhaps someone can tell me) Hey Lola, Producing leather can be damaging to the environment, this page explains it well:http://unreasonable.org/vegan/leather-substitutes.html (and click environmental considerations) I see ya point about re-using leather since the skin is a by product but as Vegans we oppose the meat and dairy industries.. and leather exists because of them. I personally wouldn't feel comfortable wearing the skin of an animal which most likely had lived a miserable life and suffered an awful death, especially when u know there's animal and environmentally friendly alternatives available, also " fashion-wise " we shouldn't be promoting animal skins. Helen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2001 Report Share Posted June 21, 2001 vegan-network, " Mccartney, Rowan (R.N.) " <rmccar14@v...> wrote: > I'd much rather stick to natural fibres > like hemp (what a shame it's not used more, we've got the anti- cannabis > brigade to thank for that). Rubbish, non-drug hemp is perfectly legal, and rightly so, besides we have been warned the cannabis issue is off-topic, so quit baiting me! Anti-drug people don't have a problem with hemp seed bars, " Mother Hemp " vegan ice cream or hemp clothes being available as far as I know. That Mother Hemp stuff has a bitter taste I can't get on with though. Lesley I edited, happy now Zeus? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 22, 2001 Report Share Posted June 22, 2001 so, i was in my local deathburger franchise, and decided to have a hamburger, because , i mean, come on, the animal was already killed for its leather.... and i had this big glass of pus filled milk,..mmmm..cuz, like, the calf was already locked up in a little dawghaus somewhere, and if i didn't drink it, it would just go to waste...... then went down the street beating up small children and kicking puppies...tossing kittens down sewers,...... *attempts to pull tongue out of cheek* fraggle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 25, 2001 Report Share Posted June 25, 2001 Hello Lola, Thursday, June 21, 2001, 12:08:54 PM, you wrote: L> i dont know whether producing leather from the animal L> to the state it is sold in is bad for the environment L> (perhaps someone can tell me) I can tell you that for tanning are used many chemicals in our days, and that it is very environmentally unfriendly. -------- Best regards, Sergio, CEO vegan http://www.royalwebhosting.com Royal Web Hosting - Royal Quality Hosting Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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