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vegan-network, EBbrewpunx@c... wrote:

 

> hey...i just remember someone stating " punk " was " horrible noise " ,

usefull

> for scaring mice...

> i think it was lesley

> *pouts in her direction*

 

 

OK rant to follow, you asked for it Fraggle!

 

Yes, that was when Dee was saying that the mice in her house liked

the Beatles music she was playing.

From what I remember when I was young and punk was fashionable, it

was horrible noise, and the type of people making this so-called

music were frequently uncouth and ignorant youngsters. Despite being

young myself I still could not relate to their behaviour, even though

I shared some, and in fact many, of the political views they were

expressing.

 

I remember the Sex Pistols being very rude and swearing on camera a

lot and smoking like chimneys on some interview. Their message,

whatever it was, such as their anti-monarchist viewpoint, was lost

because of the way they behaved. I saw it as wasted opportunity to

make people really think. They did not know how to present themselves

in any way other than to shock people. They just presented a very bad

impression to most normal people.

 

If you want to put across a political viewpoint by music, which many

of them were doing, they should at least have made the words audible

above the racket, and tried to come across in public as rational

human beings! I do remember many prominent punks such as Captain

Sensible being into animal rights, and I quite liked him for that,

but just because I was a young person into animal rights, didn't mean

I had to follow the prevailing fashions among the like-minded crowd

of young people, and have weird hair, wear strange clothes, and stick

pins in myself - yeuch, I do not like such mutilation! I knew who I

was without such outward displays, and I noticed that among youth

culture, although the young were supposedly rebelling against

conformity, but they were actually quite slavish to conformity within

their own circles.

 

When I was younger I was in an animal rights group full of the punky

types, they were largely anarchists and wore a lot of black, but

although I was vegan like them and as much for animal rights as any

of them, and genuinely tried to make friends, I was treated as an

outsider and not really one of them, just because I was not about to

conform to their ways and I didn't wear black. Somehow I resented

their almost Stepford-like attitude towards other young people in

their AR group. What did it matter so long as we all cared about the

important issues which was why we were in the AR movement? We could

have been friends despite differences in clothes, etc. It seemed that

they were pretty shallow rejecting me for such differences.

 

I just liked anything with a catchy tune and was not into any

particular youth culture, just did not see the need for it for

myself. Stuck out like a sore thumb cos I wore bright colours, and

was not fitting into any particular category just to please my peers,

so they didn't quite know how to take me.

 

I am very keen to bring my kids up to stand up strongly against

damaging and hurtful peer pressure because of my own experiences.

So maybe I am a little biased against punk because from my experieces

I associate it with a certain type of person, but I still do think it

is largely unintelligible noise anyway.

 

Final note, must remember to paragraph this rant or Zeus will boot me!

 

Lesley