Guest guest Posted July 2, 2001 Report Share Posted July 2, 2001 I don't want to take sides in this discussion, and worse still would be to prolong it, but that's what I'm about to do... Motive aside in this case, I'm just wondering where people stand on public art? I'm thinking of examples like Nelson's column, or smaller like Eros or any of the hundreds of sculptures you see around central London or in other cities. Michael Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 2, 2001 Report Share Posted July 2, 2001 Did you read John's e-mail this morning??? He told us to think before writing and reminded us that this is a vegan list. I just wondered what your message had to do with veganism. Just curious .......... Jane - " Mavreela " <nec.lists <vegan-network > Monday, July 02, 2001 9:41 AM Art was Re: [100% veg*n ] 3 rants > I don't want to take sides in this discussion, and worse still would be to > prolong it, but that's what I'm about to do... > > Motive aside in this case, I'm just wondering where people stand on public > art? I'm thinking of examples like Nelson's column, or smaller like Eros > or any of the hundreds of sculptures you see around central London or in > other cities. > > Michael > > > To to the Digest Mode [ recommended ], send an email to: vegan-network-digest > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 2, 2001 Report Share Posted July 2, 2001 Jane, I thank you for your questions, although I am confused as to their connection with veganism. Anyway I do hope I am able to respond to them in a satisfactory manner in order that I may clear up any problems or confusion I may have caused. > Did you read John's e-mail this morning??? Sadly I do not have a permanent 24 hour internet connection and as such I wrote my email first thing, then went online to both send and download new emails accumulated since I last checked (at about 11pm last night). Therefore at the time of writing no I had not read John's email. For this I can only apologize for this occurrence and any future ones because until Kingston Communications see fit to offer ASDL for computers, and that it is offered at an affordable price, there is little I can do to prevent repeat offences. > He told us to think before writing and reminded us that this is a vegan list. Yes and yes. I did think before writing and I was aware that this was a vegan list. Maybe though you could further assistance here though by telling me what is meant by this being a vegan list? Is it purely for dietary concerns or are the ethical considerations also valid topics? And if they are where does the line get drawn between a valid vegan ethical concern and something which is inappropriate. Recently expressed attitudes held that PVC was not vegan because of the environmental impacts which, undeniably, do affect animals. But is it vegan? If animals are not directly effected should it count, or does consideration of indirect effects also apply? If so what about money which could be spent on animal cause being spent on frivolous items like a foun... oops, sorry I was stepping ahead of your questions there. > I just wondered what your message had to do with veganism. Just curious ........... Well unless I had mistakenly followed the discussion (sans the ugly pettyness) then the position being taken was that the three million pounds being spent on a tribute fountain was a waste as it could and should have been better spent on other causes. These other causes while not necessarily being directly affected vegan ones do come under the ethics of veganism such as helping those in need (compassionate causes if you will). Also I'm sure some people will have been thinking the money should have been better spent towards animal causes. So in that way it was connected to veganism. Also, and in continuation from my questions to you, does vegan thinking about animals include humans? If so then surely purely human welfare issues (such as giving money to those who cannot afford to feed themselves) are very much to do with veganism, unless you wish to draw arbitrary lines based on species. But my question was asked simply because I was confused by the line of argument given in opposition to this fountain. If all money has to be spent in the ways being suggested there would be no room for public money to ever go towards art and similar projects which have aesthetic rather than direct practical cause. And I've not even yet asked the question of whether the fountain could raise enough public money (via taxes) over time through tourism to exceed construction costs allowing money to be spent on good causes which would otherwise have not been possible. You know in a sly kind of way my post could have been taken as defending your position although it was not my direct intent. My cynicism towards the media induced public attitudes to Diana's death is the same as those who oppose the fountain. Well I hope that sufficiently explains and justifies my position in a lucid manner and I look forward to your response to my questions so that I may avoid any further infractions on this list. And to John I hope he does not find that I have done anything wrong, although I do hope he would have realized the few hours between his mail and mine is one of the unfortunate affects caused by the delay in receiving email and so would have refrained from pouncing on me for it. Michael Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 2, 2001 Report Share Posted July 2, 2001 Hi Michael > I'm just wondering where people stand on public art? Well, usually on the top - but only if it's got a flat surface. :-) (Sorry) Personally, I don't think there's anything which can match a decent forest - so, if you've got the money to spend on " public art " , spend it on planting trees! BB Peter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 3, 2001 Report Share Posted July 3, 2001 I like eros because he's no one . I'd like to see a statue in nottingham of Notts man /woman /child Not a famous name just a human being who could be anyone of us Like the unknown soldier . I'm opposed to hero worshipping the famous they are rarely worth it IMO Angie - Mavreela vegan-network Monday, July 02, 2001 9:41 AM Art was Re: [100% veg*n ] 3 rants I don't want to take sides in this discussion, and worse still would be to prolong it, but that's what I'm about to do... Motive aside in this case, I'm just wondering where people stand on public art? I'm thinking of examples like Nelson's column, or smaller like Eros or any of the hundreds of sculptures you see around central London or in other cities. Michael Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 3, 2001 Report Share Posted July 3, 2001 I am happy with stone-henge but today money (what the world rotates on apparently) should be better allocated. I'm not against art. I just like to think that the pain of some animals (inc. man) should be a priority to the need to have art of the wealthy developed nations. Same opinion on all luxuries really. It is luxury vs necessity for me. >Motiveaside in this case, I'm just wondering where people stand on public >art I'm thinking of examples like Nelson's column, or smaller like Eros >orany of the hundreds of sculptures you see around central London or in >othercities. > >Michael > > Andrew Barnes 07970 075905 -------------------- talk21 your FREE portable and private address on the net at http://www.talk21.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 3, 2001 Report Share Posted July 3, 2001 > Did you read John's e-mail this morning??? He told us to think before > writing and reminded us that this is a vegan list. I just wondered what > your message had to do with veganism. Just curious .......... How much is there to discuss about veganism? There are recipes, the whereabouts of restaurants and holiday b*bs etc. Animal rights presumably counts, as would vegan products. Any more ideas? Jo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 3, 2001 Report Share Posted July 3, 2001 >How much is there to discuss about veganism? Well I am hoping that Jane will reply to my email so as to put us all straight. But I think it is fair to say that we probably all have different ideas of what it means for ourselves to be vegan, whether it is dietary, ethical or political etc. And so there is no such thing as veganism. Or at least veganism is what we individually see as being important to our way of life, in which case anything we deem important enough to talk about should be valid simply because it is what is important to a vegan. Michael Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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