Guest guest Posted September 12, 2001 Report Share Posted September 12, 2001 > Good note fraggle.... > > As of right this second, there isn't a shred of proof or even a > government backed unsubstantiated accusation against anyone. One small > good that comes from such tragedies is that the bigots and hatemongers > who generaly hide their views come out in the open...so for the bigots, > without a shred of proof, 450 million Arabs and over 1 billion Muslims > have been indicted. Just like Oklahoma City...all the media was blaming > Arabs and Muslims until they caught McVeigh. Then, even if it turns out > to be an Arab or Muslim group who did this, which is purely speculation > at this point, the bigots will continue to blame the entire ethnicity > and/or religion simply because most Americans are too lazy and > uneducated to learn the differences, which are just as diverse as those > among " whites " and Christians. No one suggested after OKC that all white > Protestants were represented by McVeigh...but its still acceptable to > hate Arabs and Muslims collectively because most Americans are too lazy > to learn anything about this 1/5 of humanity. > > As for the positive reaction of the people on the street in > Palestine...just exactly what would one expect? For eleven months now, > the US has been vetoing any action on behalf of Palestine while IDF > terror troops use US made and supplied helicopter gunships and rockets > to conduct large scale massacres against their people...lobbing US made > and supplied missiles into Palestinian refugee camps, US made and > supplied machineguns to gun down stone throwing children, US made and > supplied bulldozers to wipe out their farms so the land can be stolen by > settlers. Just how would one expect the Palestinians to react? > > Were the terrorist who attacked us today Palestinians? I doubt it, > although no one knows yet. The fact is that there hasn't been a single > Palestinian terrorist attack outside of Israel, the Occupied > Territories, or the border areas of Israel since 1988. (One exception in > Jordan). Most of the internal Palestinian groups (Hamas, Islamic Jihad, > & c) are limited to that general area and incapable of a major operation > in the US. The external Palestinian groups (PFLP, DFLP, & c) are largely > dependent on state sponsorship (Syria, Iraq, et alia) and none of these > states would allow such an operation bcause they know the US would bomb > the shit out of them. > > The number one suspect is O. bin Laden, a crazy Saudi millionaire in > Afghanistan. Contrary to the view of the bigots, he has nothing > whatsoever to do with Palestine or Palestinian groups (yep, utterly > shocking that not all Arabs share the exact same viewpoint). Instead, > he's a militant Wahhabi Muslim (a sect that doesn't even exist in > Palestine) that views the West in general as a corrupting influence on > Islam, and has a particular hatred for the United States. The attacks > today appear very similar to the coordinated attacks he arranged against > the US in Africa a few years back. If he is responsible, we should > definately get him, no doubt about it...but for now, its still just an > " if " . > > The big problem here is that terrorist groups are not states...and being > generally hidden, it becomes a very slow and time consuming process to > find those guilty, especially when the actual terrorists themselves are > dead, as is the case here. It could take months to sift through all the > wreckage, identfy the terrorists, then back track their lives to find > their friends and associates, et cetera. The problem here is that the > public is demanding blood now, which almost negates a proper > investigation...justice plays second chair to political expediency and > public pressure...so chances are Bush will just bomb someone who seems > likely, or at least possible. In which case, Bin Laden and gang in > Afghanistan would appear to be the lesser of potential evils...and also > works from a political-diplomatic angle since there are no real > ramifications to bombing the shit out of Afghanistan (remember how much > press attention our last cruise missile attack against Afghanistan got? > We bombed the shit out of a former Soviet airbase, turned into a Pushtun > shepherd village, and killed thirty some odd women and children since > the men were out with the flocks at the time...virually no reporting of > this here though) > > So...whether guilty or not, I bet Bin Laden gets blamed...and guilty or > not, this is least of possible revenge targets, so I have to support the > notion, since to support anything else would be even worse. Bush has to > kill someone and in view of this it might as well be bin Laden and gang. > > ~Ani > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 12, 2001 Report Share Posted September 12, 2001 Fraggle I think it is terrible that certain groups have been blamed, without any proof at all. Jo > > Good note fraggle.... > > > > As of right this second, there isn't a shred of proof or even a > > government backed unsubstantiated accusation against anyone. One > small > > good that comes from such tragedies is that the bigots and > hatemongers > > who generaly hide their views come out in the open...so for the > bigots, > > without a shred of proof, 450 million Arabs and over 1 billion > Muslims > > have been indicted. Just like Oklahoma City...all the media was > blaming > > Arabs and Muslims until they caught McVeigh. Then, even if it turns > out > > to be an Arab or Muslim group who did this, which is purely > speculation > > at this point, the bigots will continue to blame the entire > ethnicity > > and/or religion simply because most Americans are too lazy and > > uneducated to learn the differences, which are just as diverse as > those > > among " whites " and Christians. No one suggested after OKC that all > white > > Protestants were represented by McVeigh...but its still acceptable > to > > hate Arabs and Muslims collectively because most Americans are too > lazy > > to learn anything about this 1/5 of humanity. > > > > As for the positive reaction of the people on the street in > > Palestine...just exactly what would one expect? For eleven months > now, > > the US has been vetoing any action on behalf of Palestine while IDF > > terror troops use US made and supplied helicopter gunships and > rockets > > to conduct large scale massacres against their people...lobbing US > made > > and supplied missiles into Palestinian refugee camps, US made and > > supplied machineguns to gun down stone throwing children, US made > and > > supplied bulldozers to wipe out their farms so the land can be > stolen by > > settlers. Just how would one expect the Palestinians to react? > > > > Were the terrorist who attacked us today Palestinians? I doubt it, > > although no one knows yet. The fact is that there hasn't been a > single > > Palestinian terrorist attack outside of Israel, the Occupied > > Territories, or the border areas of Israel since 1988. (One > exception in > > Jordan). Most of the internal Palestinian groups (Hamas, Islamic > Jihad, > > & c) are limited to that general area and incapable of a major > operation > > in the US. The external Palestinian groups (PFLP, DFLP, & c) are > largely > > dependent on state sponsorship (Syria, Iraq, et alia) and none of > these > > states would allow such an operation bcause they know the US would > bomb > > the shit out of them. > > > > The number one suspect is O. bin Laden, a crazy Saudi millionaire in > > Afghanistan. Contrary to the view of the bigots, he has nothing > > whatsoever to do with Palestine or Palestinian groups (yep, utterly > > shocking that not all Arabs share the exact same viewpoint). > Instead, > > he's a militant Wahhabi Muslim (a sect that doesn't even exist in > > Palestine) that views the West in general as a corrupting influence > on > > Islam, and has a particular hatred for the United States. The > attacks > > today appear very similar to the coordinated attacks he arranged > against > > the US in Africa a few years back. If he is responsible, we should > > definately get him, no doubt about it...but for now, its still just > an > > " if " . > > > > The big problem here is that terrorist groups are not states...and > being > > generally hidden, it becomes a very slow and time consuming process > to > > find those guilty, especially when the actual terrorists themselves > are > > dead, as is the case here. It could take months to sift through all > the > > wreckage, identfy the terrorists, then back track their lives to > find > > their friends and associates, et cetera. The problem here is that > the > > public is demanding blood now, which almost negates a proper > > investigation...justice plays second chair to political expediency > and > > public pressure...so chances are Bush will just bomb someone who > seems > > likely, or at least possible. In which case, Bin Laden and gang in > > Afghanistan would appear to be the lesser of potential evils...and > also > > works from a political-diplomatic angle since there are no real > > ramifications to bombing the shit out of Afghanistan (remember how > much > > press attention our last cruise missile attack against Afghanistan > got? > > We bombed the shit out of a former Soviet airbase, turned into a > Pushtun > > shepherd village, and killed thirty some odd women and children > since > > the men were out with the flocks at the time...virually no > reporting of > > this here though) > > > > So...whether guilty or not, I bet Bin Laden gets blamed...and > guilty or > > not, this is least of possible revenge targets, so I have to > support the > > notion, since to support anything else would be even worse. Bush > has to > > kill someone and in view of this it might as well be bin Laden and > gang. > > > > ~Ani > > > > > > > To send an email to - > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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