[100% veg*n ] Vegetarians and little white lies....

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ok, my wife K@, usually posts on here, but i am going to now. k@ works at a

coop that distributes veg*n foods to shops etc. you do not have to be

vegetarian to work there, a couple aren't. she has noticed however, an

attitude by the vegetarians towards the vegans. the vegans ARE portayed as

being " extreme " , " nutters " by the vegetarians. this would really annoy me,

to the extent i think i'd be un-popular. the only reason i can see as guilt.

they are trying to makwe the vegans out to be nutters, to excuse themselves

from being vegan. when i was vegetarian, i knew no others, let alone vegans.

i decided after (eventually)meeting a couple of vegans to go vegan. i didn't

know all the reasons to be vegan, i just knew if people were doing it, then

it was for the benefit of animals. it was hard back in the mid 80's, the

soya milk was naff, the ice cream, well, it was flavoured ice almost! but i

made it. i personally think being vegan is easy.

i do not know why vegetarians, who know vegans, know the arguments do not

take that step. weakness i guess.

waiting the barrage!.....RAT......

 

 

> What I meant about vegetarians not being very understanding was that

> many vegetarians percieve vegans as extremists. I have to admit I

> held this view until I spoke to some. I was actually put off veganism

> by the vegan society-some of their adverising many years ago was

> rather strange and didn't encourage my perception of veganism to be

> more postive at all. However since then my contact with the society

> has been very positive. I didn't mean to offend anyone, obviously! I

> have met many vegetarians who are really great with vegans but some

> have been very strange..it's a kind of , 'oh my god...it's

> vegan...back away slowly, don't show her the cheese....' kind of

> reaction. Scary!! Anyone else ever find that? (my mother did it and

> she's veggie)

> also ...I say 'I'm vegan, can you do this for me..' in restaurants

> but it occured to me I could claim i was veggie and allergic to dairy

> or just allergis to everything...cause then they'd think I was gonna

> die if they fed me anything. But then again, it is lying and it is

> also not letting people know that I disaggree with intensive farming.

> Hmmmmmm....thoughts

> Love

> Charlie xxxx

>

>

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yes a good point, but my view of vegetarians may be the opposite (at

least of those that claim they are doing it for animal rights) because

how can you love animals and extort them at the same time? getting milk

and eggs is extortionary!!! so my view is that i am not extreme, i am

only doing what is morally right, and everyone else just isnt extreme

ENOUGH. i also usually tell people im vegetarian just because i dont

like having to explain what vegan means 10 times a day, and in my opinion,

vegetarianism IS vegan.

 

vegetarian \Veg`e*ta " ri*an\, n. One who holds that vegetables and fruits

are the only proper food for man.

 

thats from dictionary.com folks. think about it. VEGE-tarian, that whole

VEG thing doesnt really imply fish, dairy, or eggs does it? so if a

lacto-ovo-vegetarian

can eat dairy and eggs then why not just go one step further and become

a carno-lacto-ovo-vegetarian?

 

anyway if all else fails i usually tell them im allergic to animal products.

is that really a lie? becauae lactase, the enzyme that digests lactose,

goes away when you dont eat dairy. so we ARE allergic to it.

 

spiggy

 

 

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also thought veganism was extreme back wehn i was in 10th grade....

 

in 11th grade.... i went vegan....on and off...until this past nov

1st.... i became vegan for good now...

 

casey

 

charlie_elise wrote:

>

> What I meant about vegetarians not being very understanding was that

> many vegetarians percieve vegans as extremists. I have to admit I

> held this view until I spoke to some. I was actually put off veganism

> by the vegan society-some of their adverising many years ago was

> rather strange and didn't encourage my perception of veganism to be

> more postive at all. However since then my contact with the society

> has been very positive. I didn't mean to offend anyone, obviously! I

> have met many vegetarians who are really great with vegans but some

> have been very strange..it's a kind of , 'oh my god...it's

> vegan...back away slowly, don't show her the cheese....' kind of

> reaction. Scary!! Anyone else ever find that? (my mother did it and

> she's veggie)

> also ...I say 'I'm vegan, can you do this for me..' in restaurants

> but it occured to me I could claim i was veggie and allergic to dairy

> or just allergis to everything...cause then they'd think I was gonna

> die if they fed me anything. But then again, it is lying and it is

> also not letting people know that I disaggree with intensive farming.

> Hmmmmmm....thoughts

> Love

> Charlie xxxx

>

>

> To to the Digest Mode [ recommended ], send an email to:

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strangeness is in the eye of the beholder, and the culture you are in

why would being vegan be any more extreme then shoving 10 chickens in a cage the

size of a breadbox, feeding them there own dead, then feasting on the remains

yerself..

or how about..its extreme to be vegan, but, eating lots of fatty cholesteral

laden foods , then having high blood pressure and a heart attacks, forcing

someone to cut into yer body, spread yer ribs apart, add a vein from another

part of yer body, then be stuck on medication fer the rest of yer life, no,

thats not extreme..

*rolls eyes*

because i care about the sufffering of others, because i care about the

environment..i'm extreme????????

fraggle

 

 

 

" charlie_elise " <charlie_elise wrote:

 

>What I meant about vegetarians not being very understanding was that

>many vegetarians percieve vegans as extremists. I have to admit I

>held this view until I spoke to some. I was actually put off veganism

>by the vegan society-some of their adverising many years ago was

>rather strange and didn't encourage my perception of veganism to be

>more postive at all. However since then my contact with the society

>has been very positive. I didn't mean to offend anyone, obviously! I

>have met many vegetarians who are really great with vegans but some

>have been very strange..it's a kind of , 'oh my god...it's

>vegan...back away slowly, don't show her the cheese....' kind of

>reaction. Scary!! Anyone else ever find that? (my mother did it and

>she's veggie)

>also ...I say 'I'm vegan, can you do this for me..' in restaurants

>but it occured to me I could claim i was veggie and allergic to dairy

>or just allergis to everything...cause then they'd think I was gonna

>die if they fed me anything. But then again, it is lying and it is

>also not letting people know that I disaggree with intensive farming.

>Hmmmmmm....thoughts

>Love

>Charlie xxxx

>

>

>

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vegans probably get a bad rap as nutter and wot not because a few vegans, face

it, are!!

if that is all you talk about, well..people are going to go " oh gawd, not you

again "

i don't talk about my food habits every place i go, and wouldn't want to be

lectured by others..if it comes up, sure, i'll happliy hop on a soapbox and

pontificate..but, if, all you do is talk about this raw diet, or how much animal

fat was in someones bathsoap at the haus you are visiting, eventually, people

are going to go..ok, go away

it just makes everyone think we are crazy....

tho, sometimes i am

 

:S

*bounce bounce bounce*

fraggle

 

" k@ " <kittyveg wrote:

 

>

>ok, my wife K@, usually posts on here, but i am going to now. k@ works at a

>coop that distributes veg*n foods to shops etc. you do not have to be

>vegetarian to work there, a couple aren't. she has noticed however, an

>attitude by the vegetarians towards the vegans. the vegans ARE portayed as

>being " extreme " , " nutters " by the vegetarians. this would really annoy me,

>to the extent i think i'd be un-popular. the only reason i can see as guilt.

>they are trying to makwe the vegans out to be nutters, to excuse themselves

>from being vegan. when i was vegetarian, i knew no others, let alone vegans.

>i decided after (eventually)meeting a couple of vegans to go vegan. i didn't

>know all the reasons to be vegan, i just knew if people were doing it, then

>it was for the benefit of animals. it was hard back in the mid 80's, the

>soya milk was naff, the ice cream, well, it was flavoured ice almost! but i

>made it. i personally think being vegan is easy.

>i do not know why vegetarians, who know vegans, know the arguments do not

>take that step. weakness i guess.

>waiting the barrage!.....RAT......

>

>

>> What I meant about vegetarians not being very understanding was that

>> many vegetarians percieve vegans as extremists. I have to admit I

>> held this view until I spoke to some. I was actually put off veganism

>> by the vegan society-some of their adverising many years ago was

>> rather strange and didn't encourage my perception of veganism to be

>> more postive at all. However since then my contact with the society

>> has been very positive. I didn't mean to offend anyone, obviously! I

>> have met many vegetarians who are really great with vegans but some

>> have been very strange..it's a kind of , 'oh my god...it's

>> vegan...back away slowly, don't show her the cheese....' kind of

>> reaction. Scary!! Anyone else ever find that? (my mother did it and

>> she's veggie)

>> also ...I say 'I'm vegan, can you do this for me..' in restaurants

>> but it occured to me I could claim i was veggie and allergic to dairy

>> or just allergis to everything...cause then they'd think I was gonna

>> die if they fed me anything. But then again, it is lying and it is

>> also not letting people know that I disaggree with intensive farming.

>> Hmmmmmm....thoughts

>> Love

>> Charlie xxxx

>>

>>

>>

>> To to the Digest Mode [ recommended ], send an email to:

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Thats a good one - i never actually looked at it like that, I'll need to

remember this for my next discussion/explanation/defence of veganism, which

seems to be a daily occurence!

 

Ewan.

 

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>EBbrewpunx

>vegan-network

>RE: [100% veg*n ] Vegetarians and little white lies....

>Tue, Jan 8, 2002, 12:42 am

>

 

> strangeness is in the eye of the beholder, and the culture you are in

> why would being vegan be any more extreme then shoving 10 chickens in a

> cage the size of a breadbox, feeding them there own dead, then feasting on

> the remains yerself..

> or how about..its extreme to be vegan, but, eating lots of fatty

> cholesteral laden foods , then having high blood pressure and a heart

> attacks, forcing someone to cut into yer body, spread yer ribs apart, add a

> vein from another part of yer body, then be stuck on medication fer the

> rest of yer life, no, thats not extreme..

> *rolls eyes*

> because i care about the sufffering of others, because i care about the

> environment..i'm extreme????????

>

> fraggle

>

>

>

> " charlie_elise " <charlie_elise wrote:

>

>>What I meant about vegetarians not being very understanding was that

>>many vegetarians percieve vegans as extremists. I have to admit I

>>held this view until I spoke to some. I was actually put off veganism

>>by the vegan society-some of their adverising many years ago was

>>rather strange and didn't encourage my perception of veganism to be

>>more postive at all. However since then my contact with the society

>>has been very positive. I didn't mean to offend anyone, obviously! I

>>have met many vegetarians who are really great with vegans but some

>>have been very strange..it's a kind of , 'oh my god...it's

>>vegan...back away slowly, don't show her the cheese....' kind of

>>reaction. Scary!! Anyone else ever find that? (my mother did it and

>>she's veggie)

>>also ...I say 'I'm vegan, can you do this for me..' in restaurants

>>but it occured to me I could claim i was veggie and allergic to dairy

>>or just allergis to everything...cause then they'd think I was gonna

>>die if they fed me anything. But then again, it is lying and it is

>>also not letting people know that I disaggree with intensive farming.

>>Hmmmmmm....thoughts

>>Love

>>Charlie xxxx

>>

>>

>>

>>To to the Digest Mode [ recommended ], send an email to:

> vegan-network-digest

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A lot of people think vegans imagine everything to be animal-related and I

tell them, " Uh...no, it's a fact that animal ingredients are so cheap and

easy to get from slaughterhouses that a lot of products contain them! You

think we like to pretend that we are hurting animals? It is vegans'

ultimate wish that people do no exploit (and hurt and kill) animals , so

that every product on the market wouldn't be animal-derived. "

 

When I first told my friends that I turned vegan, my best friend went,

" What??? Vegan??? I'd understand if you went vegetarian, but going vegan

is COMPLETELY psycho! You'll die! Think about it...no more leather, no

more silk, no more chewing gum, and no more a lot of things! " That's

basically the kind of reaction that a lot of non-vegans gave me, too.

 

Whenever I bake cakes and I ask my family to taste them, my mom usually

goes, " No thanks..it's vegan. " She acts as if I've added poison or

something!

 

And I agree with K@'s husband, that perhaps a lot of vegetarians perceive

vegans as extremists so that they can remain 'normal' and, at the same time,

they can eat dairy and eggs...it's sad...

 

I was thinking about recording what goes on in slaughterhouses. But here's

the problem: people tend to deny the cruelty involved. When shown all the

blood and stuff, they'd go, " Ewwww, don't show us that! That's disgusting!

You sick freaks! " Well, yeah, that's the point, you idiots! It's sick,

isn't it? But they'd much rather overlook the cruelty and continue enjoying

their steaks.

 

This can get so frustrating...I don't want to give people the chance to

think me extreme, but at the same time, I'm unwilling to give in to eating

something without first asking what's in it (amongst other habits like

checking what materials clothes are made of when I'm shopping). My family

hates it when I ask what's in this, what's in that at restaurants, so they

have already concluded that vegans are a lot of trouble and are just plain

weird.

 

ARRRRGGGGGHHHH!

 

Honor

 

 

 

 

>

>also thought veganism was extreme back wehn i was in 10th grade....

>

>in 11th grade.... i went vegan....on and off...until this past nov

>1st.... i became vegan for good now...

>

> casey

>

>charlie_elise wrote:

> >

> > What I meant about vegetarians not being very understanding was that

> > many vegetarians percieve vegans as extremists. I have to admit I

> > held this view until I spoke to some. I was actually put off veganism

> > by the vegan society-some of their adverising many years ago was

> > rather strange and didn't encourage my perception of veganism to be

> > more postive at all. However since then my contact with the society

> > has been very positive. I didn't mean to offend anyone, obviously! I

> > have met many vegetarians who are really great with vegans but some

> > have been very strange..it's a kind of , 'oh my god...it's

> > vegan...back away slowly, don't show her the cheese....' kind of

> > reaction. Scary!! Anyone else ever find that? (my mother did it and

> > she's veggie)

> > also ...I say 'I'm vegan, can you do this for me..' in restaurants

> > but it occured to me I could claim i was veggie and allergic to dairy

> > or just allergis to everything...cause then they'd think I was gonna

> > die if they fed me anything. But then again, it is lying and it is

> > also not letting people know that I disaggree with intensive farming.

> > Hmmmmmm....thoughts

> > Love

> > Charlie xxxx

> >

> >

> > To to the Digest Mode [ recommended ], send an email to:

>vegan-network-digest

> >

> >

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right on, honor! soemtimes i get tired of phoning up companies and asking

for ingredients lists... but ive found out a lot of interesting things

that way. i really hate it when people think i am unhealthy. how can

people be SO ignorant to assume that i am not getting any protein or

calcium. HELLO cows are vegan (perhaps not in the uk) how do THEY get

their protein? truth is, most people have too MUCH protein because of

eating meat. too much protein causes things like bowel cancer, and it

leaches calcium from your bones. so how am i unhealthy? last semester

i took a nutrition class, and fought constantly with my professor. everyone

in the class hated me, including the vegetarians! i proved to her that

half ehr lecture material was unfounded and completely WRONG, and yet

she never changed her notes. i felt like i was living in a dairy advert.

yeah my parents also think i am nuts for not wearing wool. theyre like

'dont you get cold?' well yeah, but theres synthetic fabrics much warmer

and thinner and less itchy than wool, that dont cause harm to sheep!

although i have to admit i have a couch that i just recently found out

is made of a type of silk. but its my favourite posession, and i dont

want to give it up!!!! its like a million years old and been in the family

for years.

 

yeah i get frustrated when people refuse to taste my marvelous cooking

jsut cos it doenst have anything that was slaughtered (unless you count

plants yanked out of the ground as slaughtering)!!

 

spiggs

 

 

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i tend to look at a lot of things that way..silly me

wot..global warming may or may not be occuring?

well, lets see, we can spend some $$, change our economic base, stop polluting,

maybe have some economic hardships along the way...and stop dumping tons of

organo-phosphates, ozone, CO2, and other things into our environment

or..we can keep up with wot we are doing, and maybe, just maybe MELT THE POLAR

ICECAPS, FLOOD COASTAL AREAS, SPREAD DROUGHT, SPREAD DISEASE, UNBALANCE THE

WORLD'S CLIMATE, ENCOURAGE THE EXPANSION OF DESERTS,CAUSE FAMINE AND STARVATION

ON AN EVEN LARGER SCALE THEN WE ALREADY SEE, SPEED UP THE DECLINE OF ECOSYSTEMS

WORLDWIDE, AND DESTROY DESTROY DESTROY!!!

*jumps up and down yelling and hollerin*

*pant pant pant*

oh..sorry..was that me???

ahem

fraggle

 

 

 

" Ewan " <subvert_normality wrote:

 

>Thats a good one - i never actually looked at it like that, I'll need to

>remember this for my next discussion/explanation/defence of veganism, which

>seems to be a daily occurence!

>

>Ewan.

>

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>>EBbrewpunx

>>vegan-network

>>RE: [100% veg*n ] Vegetarians and little white lies....

>>Tue, Jan 8, 2002, 12:42 am

>>

>

>> strangeness is in the eye of the beholder, and the culture you are in

>> why would being vegan be any more extreme then shoving 10 chickens in a

>> cage the size of a breadbox, feeding them there own dead, then feasting on

>> the remains yerself..

>> or how about..its extreme to be vegan, but, eating lots of fatty

>> cholesteral laden foods , then having high blood pressure and a heart

>> attacks, forcing someone to cut into yer body, spread yer ribs apart, add a

>> vein from another part of yer body, then be stuck on medication fer the

>> rest of yer life, no, thats not extreme..

>> *rolls eyes*

>> because i care about the sufffering of others, because i care about the

>> environment..i'm extreme????????

>>

>> fraggle

>>

>>

>>

>> " charlie_elise " <charlie_elise wrote:

>>

>>>What I meant about vegetarians not being very understanding was that

>>>many vegetarians percieve vegans as extremists. I have to admit I

>>>held this view until I spoke to some. I was actually put off veganism

>>>by the vegan society-some of their adverising many years ago was

>>>rather strange and didn't encourage my perception of veganism to be

>>>more postive at all. However since then my contact with the society

>>>has been very positive. I didn't mean to offend anyone, obviously! I

>>>have met many vegetarians who are really great with vegans but some

>>>have been very strange..it's a kind of , 'oh my god...it's

>>>vegan...back away slowly, don't show her the cheese....' kind of

>>>reaction. Scary!! Anyone else ever find that? (my mother did it and

>>>she's veggie)

>>>also ...I say 'I'm vegan, can you do this for me..' in restaurants

>>>but it occured to me I could claim i was veggie and allergic to dairy

>>>or just allergis to everything...cause then they'd think I was gonna

>>>die if they fed me anything. But then again, it is lying and it is

>>>also not letting people know that I disaggree with intensive farming.

>>>Hmmmmmm....thoughts

>>>Love

>>>Charlie xxxx

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>To to the Digest Mode [ recommended ], send an email to:

>> vegan-network-digest

>>>

>>>