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right, well i agree that we should definitely avoid things we know would

be cooked together, but i always feel guilty about sending my food back,

since thats one more person that could have been fed, but isnt because

im being picky. a tid bit of butter appearing in my food because i told

them i was allergic instaed of a half hour debate just so i can get some

dinner isnt going to kill me. that doesnt mean im going to go seek out

foods cooked with butter and feign ignorance. im just saying that if

they tell me its free of animal products and it turns out to be a lie,

im not going to go to the nearest toilet and make myself throw up. its

about doing what you CAN. even the most extreme vegan isnt really vegan.

i go to movies, movies arent vegan. i eat sugar, which is undoubtedly

processed with bone char. but these are things we cant do anything about

and if factory farming was phased out, uses of animal products in other

places would phase out as well. lets not forget why we are vegan in the

first place.

 

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if i find out it has butter in it

A. i told them i was allergic, or couldn't eat it..that is now there fault

B. i'm going to get sick

c. i want my meal for free, and cooked the way i asked..

it is a service industry..they are performin a service

i am also very apologetic about it, i don't make a fuss, i just explain, i can't

eat so and so

most folks are very understanding

if there not

" well, its just a little butter "

" really, well, do you know some folks like to eat sh*t? would you like me to

cook some of that up with some rice, then go, oh, its just a little sh*t, want

me scrap it off "

:)

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>right, well i agree that we should definitely avoid things we know would

>be cooked together, but i always feel guilty about sending my food back,

>since thats one more person that could have been fed, but isnt because

>im being picky. a tid bit of butter appearing in my food because i told

>them i was allergic instaed of a half hour debate just so i can get some

>dinner isnt going to kill me. that doesnt mean im going to go seek out

>foods cooked with butter and feign ignorance. im just saying that if

>they tell me its free of animal products and it turns out to be a lie,

>im not going to go to the nearest toilet and make myself throw up. its

>about doing what you CAN. even the most extreme vegan isnt really vegan.

>i go to movies, movies arent vegan. i eat sugar, which is undoubtedly

>processed with bone char. but these are things we cant do anything about

>and if factory farming was phased out, uses of animal products in other

>places would phase out as well. lets not forget why we are vegan in the

>first place.

>

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I agree, veganism, to me anyway, is about not supporting what goes into

raising an animal for human consumption. Not being an anal ass about eating.

While I couldn't bring myself to eat chunks of flesh if it was accidentally

brought in my food, i wouldn't turn back something with a bit of dairy. It's

just going to get thrown in the trash anyway, then they bring you something

new and you just consume that much more. Just give a bit of a lecture

and a crappy tip, make sure they don't do it next time.

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you know thats not what i meant! i wsant saying its ok im saying that

what the hell gives ME the right to be so picky and waste so much food

when theyre just going to spit in it anyway (beleive me theyre doing

this to your food no matter HOW appologetic you are)?? i dont appreciate

it, but honestly its unlikely youll ever find out, unless they use a

ton of it, or put dead chunks of flesh in it as well. this is the reason

that i much prefer vegan restaurants, because i know these problems wont

occur

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Hmmm...fair enough, I suppose. I understand what you've posited, but I

think that, along with our mission to end factory (well, animal farming,

really...full stop) farming, it is feasible to marry the process with

another important action: demand for vegan products. There ARE alternatives

to bone-char processed sugar. There are new alternatives to gelatin-coated

film. I think that it is well within our jurisdiction as vegans to apply

the pressure for non-animal options.

 

xxk@xx

 

 

Priscilla Pelkey [spiggy]

08 January 2002 11:27

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right, well i agree that we should definitely avoid things we know would

be cooked together, but i always feel guilty about sending my food back,

since thats one more person that could have been fed, but isnt because

im being picky. a tid bit of butter appearing in my food because i told

them i was allergic instaed of a half hour debate just so i can get some

dinner isnt going to kill me. that doesnt mean im going to go seek out

foods cooked with butter and feign ignorance. im just saying that if

they tell me its free of animal products and it turns out to be a lie,

im not going to go to the nearest toilet and make myself throw up. its

about doing what you CAN. even the most extreme vegan isnt really vegan.

i go to movies, movies arent vegan. i eat sugar, which is undoubtedly

processed with bone char. but these are things we cant do anything about

and if factory farming was phased out, uses of animal products in other

places would phase out as well. lets not forget why we are vegan in the

first place.

 

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definitely, i try to promote vegan alernatives to everything that i possibly

can, and when my suggestions arent taken seriously i take to protesting.

i cant say ive done anything substantial recently, but last year i did

lead my own animal rights group (http://orgs.unt.edu/ala). id love to

be more active here but my skool works been slacking. =p

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skoffx wrote:

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> I agree, veganism, to me anyway, is about not supporting what goes into

> raising an animal for human consumption. Not being an anal ass about eating.

> While I couldn't bring myself to eat chunks of flesh if it was accidentally

> brought in my food, i wouldn't turn back something with a bit of dairy. It's

> just going to get thrown in the trash anyway, then they bring you something

> new and you just consume that much more. Just give a bit of a lecture

> and a crappy tip, make sure they don't do it next time.

 

This reminds me of when I was last home. My mum moved knives between her

(dairy) margarine, and my bread. When I insisted on cleaning the

bread-knife before cutting my slice, her reaction was " Well how does

that help the animals. "

 

She's right. Worrying about cross-contamination doesn't really help the

animals, apart from putting a cost on you and the people who might

cross-contaminate. But I am still much much happier without accidental

traces of dairy on my toast. I'm not sure why. I think it's partially

that drawing a clear line in the sand might make it easier to get taken

seriously. ( " Oh, but they got some butter on your bread, how is that

different? " ) Plus, as I carry on being vegan with, barring restaurants,

relatively little hassle, I get less patient with the rest of the planet

acting as if I'm some off-the-wall radical.

 

And she still used her knife to get my slice out of the toaster, which

was disappointing.

 

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to each there own

IMO, and personally, i don't eat animal flesh, er wot another animal to

suffer....soto me..butter is butter is animal

we all draw the lines somewhere..yer lines are no less valid then mine

 

i wouldn't want to have baby flesh in my pasta either, " but, its just a little

baby flesh "

:)

besides, if ya make judgements on a little butter, then , is leather ok, the

animal was already dead

and by the way, i still have my leather jacket, which is probably older then a

bunch of folks on this list...does that make me an ass?? maybe

...i will replace it when i can..until then, it is toooo damn cold to ride a

motorcycle w/o my coat

i got it years and years before i was even veggie

like i said, we all draw the line somewhere

fraggle

 

 

Dr Ian McDonald <ian.mcdonald wrote:

 

>skoffx wrote:

>>

>> I agree, veganism, to me anyway, is about not supporting what goes into

>> raising an animal for human consumption. Not being an anal ass about eating.

>> While I couldn't bring myself to eat chunks of flesh if it was accidentally

>> brought in my food, i wouldn't turn back something with a bit of dairy. It's

>> just going to get thrown in the trash anyway, then they bring you something

>> new and you just consume that much more. Just give a bit of a lecture

>> and a crappy tip, make sure they don't do it next time.

>

>This reminds me of when I was last home. My mum moved knives between her

>(dairy) margarine, and my bread. When I insisted on cleaning the

>bread-knife before cutting my slice, her reaction was " Well how does

>that help the animals. "

>

>She's right. Worrying about cross-contamination doesn't really help the

>animals, apart from putting a cost on you and the people who might

>cross-contaminate. But I am still much much happier without accidental

>traces of dairy on my toast. I'm not sure why. I think it's partially

>that drawing a clear line in the sand might make it easier to get taken

>seriously. ( " Oh, but they got some butter on your bread, how is that

>different? " ) Plus, as I carry on being vegan with, barring restaurants,

>relatively little hassle, I get less patient with the rest of the planet

>acting as if I'm some off-the-wall radical.

>

>And she still used her knife to get my slice out of the toaster, which

>was disappointing.

>

>--

>Ian McDonald

>

>http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~type40/alternative.html

>http://travel.to/startrekcolony - Star Trek: Colony site & .mov

>http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~type40/who-rpg.html - Dr. Who RPGs

>

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