Guest guest Posted January 8, 2002 Report Share Posted January 8, 2002 right, well i agree that we should definitely avoid things we know would be cooked together, but i always feel guilty about sending my food back, since thats one more person that could have been fed, but isnt because im being picky. a tid bit of butter appearing in my food because i told them i was allergic instaed of a half hour debate just so i can get some dinner isnt going to kill me. that doesnt mean im going to go seek out foods cooked with butter and feign ignorance. im just saying that if they tell me its free of animal products and it turns out to be a lie, im not going to go to the nearest toilet and make myself throw up. its about doing what you CAN. even the most extreme vegan isnt really vegan. i go to movies, movies arent vegan. i eat sugar, which is undoubtedly processed with bone char. but these are things we cant do anything about and if factory farming was phased out, uses of animal products in other places would phase out as well. lets not forget why we are vegan in the first place. -- Priscilla Pelkey spiggy - email (210) 576-2701 x5770 - voicemail/fax ---- Ashley Hooper <ash_hooper wrote: [Non text/plain message body suppressed] FREE voicemail, email, and fax...all in one place. Sign Up Now! http://www.onebox.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2002 Report Share Posted January 8, 2002 if i find out it has butter in it A. i told them i was allergic, or couldn't eat it..that is now there fault B. i'm going to get sick c. i want my meal for free, and cooked the way i asked.. it is a service industry..they are performin a service i am also very apologetic about it, i don't make a fuss, i just explain, i can't eat so and so most folks are very understanding if there not " well, its just a little butter " " really, well, do you know some folks like to eat sh*t? would you like me to cook some of that up with some rice, then go, oh, its just a little sh*t, want me scrap it off " fraggle " Priscilla Pelkey " <spiggy wrote: >right, well i agree that we should definitely avoid things we know would >be cooked together, but i always feel guilty about sending my food back, >since thats one more person that could have been fed, but isnt because >im being picky. a tid bit of butter appearing in my food because i told >them i was allergic instaed of a half hour debate just so i can get some >dinner isnt going to kill me. that doesnt mean im going to go seek out >foods cooked with butter and feign ignorance. im just saying that if >they tell me its free of animal products and it turns out to be a lie, >im not going to go to the nearest toilet and make myself throw up. its >about doing what you CAN. even the most extreme vegan isnt really vegan. >i go to movies, movies arent vegan. i eat sugar, which is undoubtedly >processed with bone char. but these are things we cant do anything about >and if factory farming was phased out, uses of animal products in other >places would phase out as well. lets not forget why we are vegan in the >first place. > >-- >Priscilla Pelkey >spiggy - email >(210) 576-2701 x5770 - voicemail/fax > > > >---- Ashley Hooper <ash_hooper wrote: >[Non text/plain message body suppressed] > > > >FREE voicemail, email, and fax...all in one place. >Sign Up Now! http://www.onebox.com > > >To to the Digest Mode [ recommended ], send an email to: vegan-network-digest > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2002 Report Share Posted January 8, 2002 I agree, veganism, to me anyway, is about not supporting what goes into raising an animal for human consumption. Not being an anal ass about eating. While I couldn't bring myself to eat chunks of flesh if it was accidentally brought in my food, i wouldn't turn back something with a bit of dairy. It's just going to get thrown in the trash anyway, then they bring you something new and you just consume that much more. Just give a bit of a lecture and a crappy tip, make sure they don't do it next time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2002 Report Share Posted January 8, 2002 you know thats not what i meant! i wsant saying its ok im saying that what the hell gives ME the right to be so picky and waste so much food when theyre just going to spit in it anyway (beleive me theyre doing this to your food no matter HOW appologetic you are)?? i dont appreciate it, but honestly its unlikely youll ever find out, unless they use a ton of it, or put dead chunks of flesh in it as well. this is the reason that i much prefer vegan restaurants, because i know these problems wont occur spiggs -- Priscilla Pelkey spiggy - email (210) 576-2701 x5770 - voicemail/fax ---- EBbrewpunx wrote: [Non text/plain message body suppressed] FREE voicemail, email, and fax...all in one place. Sign Up Now! http://www.onebox.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2002 Report Share Posted January 8, 2002 Hmmm...fair enough, I suppose. I understand what you've posited, but I think that, along with our mission to end factory (well, animal farming, really...full stop) farming, it is feasible to marry the process with another important action: demand for vegan products. There ARE alternatives to bone-char processed sugar. There are new alternatives to gelatin-coated film. I think that it is well within our jurisdiction as vegans to apply the pressure for non-animal options. xxk@xx Priscilla Pelkey [spiggy] 08 January 2002 11:27 vegan-network Re: [100% veg*n ] cross-contamination right, well i agree that we should definitely avoid things we know would be cooked together, but i always feel guilty about sending my food back, since thats one more person that could have been fed, but isnt because im being picky. a tid bit of butter appearing in my food because i told them i was allergic instaed of a half hour debate just so i can get some dinner isnt going to kill me. that doesnt mean im going to go seek out foods cooked with butter and feign ignorance. im just saying that if they tell me its free of animal products and it turns out to be a lie, im not going to go to the nearest toilet and make myself throw up. its about doing what you CAN. even the most extreme vegan isnt really vegan. i go to movies, movies arent vegan. i eat sugar, which is undoubtedly processed with bone char. but these are things we cant do anything about and if factory farming was phased out, uses of animal products in other places would phase out as well. lets not forget why we are vegan in the first place. -- Priscilla Pelkey spiggy - email (210) 576-2701 x5770 - voicemail/fax ---- Ashley Hooper <ash_hooper wrote: [Non text/plain message body suppressed] FREE voicemail, email, and fax...all in one place. Sign Up Now! http://www.onebox.com To to the Digest Mode [ recommended ], send an email to: vegan-network-digest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2002 Report Share Posted January 8, 2002 definitely, i try to promote vegan alernatives to everything that i possibly can, and when my suggestions arent taken seriously i take to protesting. i cant say ive done anything substantial recently, but last year i did lead my own animal rights group (http://orgs.unt.edu/ala). id love to be more active here but my skool works been slacking. =p spiggs -- Priscilla Pelkey spiggy - email (210) 576-2701 x5770 - voicemail/fax ---- " k@ " <kittyveg wrote: [Non text/plain message body suppressed] FREE voicemail, email, and fax...all in one place. Sign Up Now! http://www.onebox.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2002 Report Share Posted January 8, 2002 thank you! =) -- Priscilla Pelkey spiggy - email (210) 576-2701 x5770 - voicemail/fax ---- skoffx wrote: [Non text/plain message body suppressed] FREE voicemail, email, and fax...all in one place. Sign Up Now! http://www.onebox.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 9, 2002 Report Share Posted January 9, 2002 skoffx wrote: > > I agree, veganism, to me anyway, is about not supporting what goes into > raising an animal for human consumption. Not being an anal ass about eating. > While I couldn't bring myself to eat chunks of flesh if it was accidentally > brought in my food, i wouldn't turn back something with a bit of dairy. It's > just going to get thrown in the trash anyway, then they bring you something > new and you just consume that much more. Just give a bit of a lecture > and a crappy tip, make sure they don't do it next time. This reminds me of when I was last home. My mum moved knives between her (dairy) margarine, and my bread. When I insisted on cleaning the bread-knife before cutting my slice, her reaction was " Well how does that help the animals. " She's right. Worrying about cross-contamination doesn't really help the animals, apart from putting a cost on you and the people who might cross-contaminate. But I am still much much happier without accidental traces of dairy on my toast. I'm not sure why. I think it's partially that drawing a clear line in the sand might make it easier to get taken seriously. ( " Oh, but they got some butter on your bread, how is that different? " ) Plus, as I carry on being vegan with, barring restaurants, relatively little hassle, I get less patient with the rest of the planet acting as if I'm some off-the-wall radical. And she still used her knife to get my slice out of the toaster, which was disappointing. -- Ian McDonald http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~type40/alternative.html http://travel.to/startrekcolony - Star Trek: Colony site & .mov http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~type40/who-rpg.html - Dr. Who RPGs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 9, 2002 Report Share Posted January 9, 2002 to each there own IMO, and personally, i don't eat animal flesh, er wot another animal to suffer....soto me..butter is butter is animal we all draw the lines somewhere..yer lines are no less valid then mine i wouldn't want to have baby flesh in my pasta either, " but, its just a little baby flesh " besides, if ya make judgements on a little butter, then , is leather ok, the animal was already dead and by the way, i still have my leather jacket, which is probably older then a bunch of folks on this list...does that make me an ass?? maybe ...i will replace it when i can..until then, it is toooo damn cold to ride a motorcycle w/o my coat i got it years and years before i was even veggie like i said, we all draw the line somewhere fraggle Dr Ian McDonald <ian.mcdonald wrote: >skoffx wrote: >> >> I agree, veganism, to me anyway, is about not supporting what goes into >> raising an animal for human consumption. Not being an anal ass about eating. >> While I couldn't bring myself to eat chunks of flesh if it was accidentally >> brought in my food, i wouldn't turn back something with a bit of dairy. It's >> just going to get thrown in the trash anyway, then they bring you something >> new and you just consume that much more. Just give a bit of a lecture >> and a crappy tip, make sure they don't do it next time. > >This reminds me of when I was last home. My mum moved knives between her >(dairy) margarine, and my bread. When I insisted on cleaning the >bread-knife before cutting my slice, her reaction was " Well how does >that help the animals. " > >She's right. Worrying about cross-contamination doesn't really help the >animals, apart from putting a cost on you and the people who might >cross-contaminate. But I am still much much happier without accidental >traces of dairy on my toast. I'm not sure why. I think it's partially >that drawing a clear line in the sand might make it easier to get taken >seriously. ( " Oh, but they got some butter on your bread, how is that >different? " ) Plus, as I carry on being vegan with, barring restaurants, >relatively little hassle, I get less patient with the rest of the planet >acting as if I'm some off-the-wall radical. > >And she still used her knife to get my slice out of the toaster, which >was disappointing. > >-- >Ian McDonald > >http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~type40/alternative.html >http://travel.to/startrekcolony - Star Trek: Colony site & .mov >http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~type40/who-rpg.html - Dr. Who RPGs > > >To to the Digest Mode [ recommended ], send an email to: vegan-network-digest > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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