Guest guest Posted January 16, 2002 Report Share Posted January 16, 2002 could you imagine the list of ingredients on processed foods?? it will cover 3 wrappers!!! ever see the list of ingredients fer one " artificial color " ??? its like half the bible....... here in the states, ya can get a way with a lot by calling it " natural flavoring " fraggle " steve_pcperson1 " <steve wrote: >There should definetly be a law to make all ingredients show, and all >ingredients it comes in contact with and could possibly be >contiminated by. They do it for nuts because of allergies. > >vegan-network, demo <jallan@f...> wrote: >> no, you are not obsessive at all. >> >> it is a strange thing but i would rather go hungry or eat dry bread >and >> water. >> >> >Phew! Makes me feel better that I'm not the only one who dislikes >the >> >thought of my pots being used for meat. Yippee-I'm not an >obsessive weirdo >> >after all!!! >> >> oh. BTW, there may be a problem with many commercially produced >breads in >> that the greasing agents used by factories often contain animal >products, >> the fats that use to make the bread not stick to tins, for the food >to >> roll along the processing chain. usually caveat, they use whatever >is >> cheapest. >> >> there is one other issue they folks ought to remember buying >supermaket >> food and that is manufacturers do not have to put the complete >> ingredients on the package. i think that it is anything less than 2 >> percent that is not obligatory. of course, you could have 3 items >of less >> than 2 percent which would add up to 6 percent ... >> >> the issue of minor items came up with brands defending their " >trade >> secrets " rights not to disclose everything in their products. >> >> i am not saying that every product has 1.5 per cent slivers of pork >stuck >> in it but it is something to remember. >> >> it is a great reminder that you are doing much more my shopping at >little >> shops that know their stock and buying from small producers who >make >> things by hand in a simple natural process; where you can still >call up >> the actual person that made your grub. >> >> >> hey, any obsessive weirdo macintosh vegans out there? >> >> i found a bunch of funny little veggie custom icons for your files >and >> folders >> >> john > > > >To to the Digest Mode [ recommended ], send an email to: vegan-network-digest > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 16, 2002 Report Share Posted January 16, 2002 Hi, I have to agree with the cost consideration re organic vs processed foods. Although organic foods are certainly more expensive than non-organic produce, both are a helluva lot cheaper than processed foods. I'm often amazed at the supermarket when I see a person ahead of me buying nothing but processed crap and animal products, and how much it costs! You only have to look at the price difference between raw potatoes and potatoes chips (Lays) to see how price increases with processing. As does fat, sugar & salt content, as an aside. I've got a lot of vegetarian friends (not vegan) and am amazed at how much of their food budget they spend on cheese, milk etc. All incredibly expensive. As for processed meat analogues (vegie dogs, vegie burgers etc), they are off the scale price-wise. Although my husband and I used to buy a lot of this sort of stuff, we've moved consistently towards making meals from scratch instead. And the surprising thing is that to make a meal from scratch doesn't take any longer! For instance, last night we had fried rice for dinner. I put the rice cooker on, and it cooked the rice in about fifteen minutes. While this was happening, I chopped up green beans, broccoli, onions, shallots, peas and baby corn, and stir fried them in the wok with soy sauce and a teaspoon of sesame oil. By the time the veggies were ready, the rice was cooked, and I put the rice in the wok, mixed everything together and was done. Total time: about 15 minutes. Total cost: about $1 for the rice, and probably $3-4 for the veggies. Maybe 50c for the sauce (I'm talking Australian dollars here, there's about 55c US to the Australian dollar). What's more, there's enough fried rice left over for lunch today for both my husband and myself. Pretty cheap. Daharja XXX Dee Matheson wrote: > I know the reason some people won't buy organic is because of the > price. I > have found that since I mainly buy fresh food, the weekly shopping > bill > isn't as much as when I used to buy mainly processed foods. I'm not > exactly > rolling in it myself, but a few extra pence is worth it if you don't > want to > eat a mouthful of chemicals or don't want to encourage farmers to ruin > the > environment we live in. Plus organic food tastes nicer. > > Dee > > _______________ > MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: > http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx > > > To to the Digest Mode [ recommended ], send an email to: > vegan-network-digest > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 16, 2002 Report Share Posted January 16, 2002 jeyrb wrote > merkin entomologist friend told me that a certain %age of all grain > is " buggy " . what annoyed her most was that there's a government > permitted bugs-per-tonne limit, Better than the shit-per-pound quota allowed on US approved beef! 2% raw faeces is acceptable in the US. So every 50th mouthful for the typiical meat eater is...you guessed it! Ugh! Better than Australian beef, though. We have no such regulations here. Daharja XXX (Now I *knew* there was a reason I went vegan!!!) :-) > yet some farmers were able to grow > grain that was practically bug-free. what happened was that the very- > buggy grain was diluted with the bug-less stuff til it averaged out > at bang on the government permitted max. trying to work out why some > farmers were able to get it right obviously isn't in anyones interest > > > ;-jey > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 16, 2002 Report Share Posted January 16, 2002 also called carmine from the cochineal insect from mexico they crush em and make a red dye from em..and its in everything, from soda to candy to paint to perfume sheeesh fraggle In a message dated 1/16/02 5:23:46 PM Pacific Standard Time, spiggy writes: << yeah i know, i usually call the companies to ask them to clarify if their natural flavours are animal derived, unfortunately this is a bugger of a thing to do so most times i just leave the grocery store without the product. and beware of red40 everyone on this list from the US. apparently red40 covers several different types of red colouring, one of which is a small gray bug that, if pregnant, when crushed will turn into a fine looking red powder... kinda *bugs* me. har har. (by the way the UK equivalent is E120) spiggy >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 17, 2002 Report Share Posted January 17, 2002 wot the heck is wrong with amaranth?? its a grain fer bacchus sake..wot is wrong with it *runs to eat bowl of amaranth cereal before he finds out he can't eat it* fraggle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 17, 2002 Report Share Posted January 17, 2002 here in the states, they are trying to make it ILLEGAL to label something as not containin GMO's.. most bloody fawked up thing i've ever ever heard grrrrr fraggle In a message dated 1/16/02 8:54:14 PM Pacific Standard Time, daharja writes: << I know that Australian labelling laws will be changing late this year. As from late 2002, foods will have to list *all* ingredients, and list all genetically modified ingredients, no matter how minute.Bout bloody time! :-) Of course, the reason it hasn't happened up until now has been due to intensive lobbying by the food industries and the GE food industry. The last thing they want is for customers to start getting informed! Daharja XXX >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 17, 2002 Report Share Posted January 17, 2002 unfortunately i live in a flat with 5 other girls that eat meat, i dont have a choice over this, and since my pans are the nicest ones everyone uses them to cook. one morning after i made myself vegan pancakes i walked in the kitchen to get a drink and someone was using the same pan to cook bacon. i forgot about the drink and just left. i also dont like the ingredients thing. in america it *is* a law to list all ingredients and most of the time if theres a milk-derived ingredient it says 'contains dairy' since some people are allergic to it. dunno why they havent done that over here spiggy -- Priscilla Pelkey spiggy - email (210) 576-2701 x5770 - voicemail/fax ---- " steve_pcperson1 " <steve wrote: [Non text/plain message body suppressed] FREE voicemail, email, and fax...all in one place. Sign Up Now! http://www.onebox.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 17, 2002 Report Share Posted January 17, 2002 here tho, they can get away with labeling something as natural flavoring, or artificial flavoring dirt is a natural flavor.. as is beef fat as is soy it depends on the manufacturer, and wot he wants to hide as his " flavoring " fraggle " Priscilla Pelkey " <spiggy wrote: >unfortunately i live in a flat with 5 other girls that eat meat, i dont >have a choice over this, and since my pans are the nicest ones everyone >uses them to cook. one morning after i made myself vegan pancakes i walked >in the kitchen to get a drink and someone was using the same pan to cook >bacon. i forgot about the drink and just left. i also dont like the ingredients >thing. in america it *is* a law to list all ingredients and most of the >time if theres a milk-derived ingredient it says 'contains dairy' since >some people are allergic to it. dunno why they havent done that over >here >spiggy > >-- >Priscilla Pelkey >spiggy - email >(210) 576-2701 x5770 - voicemail/fax > > > >---- " steve_pcperson1 " <steve wrote: >[Non text/plain message body suppressed] > > > >FREE voicemail, email, and fax...all in one place. >Sign Up Now! http://www.onebox.com > > >To to the Digest Mode [ recommended ], send an email to: vegan-network-digest > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 17, 2002 Report Share Posted January 17, 2002 yeah i know, i usually call the companies to ask them to clarify if their natural flavours are animal derived, unfortunately this is a bugger of a thing to do so most times i just leave the grocery store without the product. and beware of red40 everyone on this list from the US. apparently red40 covers several different types of red colouring, one of which is a small gray bug that, if pregnant, when crushed will turn into a fine looking red powder... kinda *bugs* me. har har. (by the way the UK equivalent is E120) spiggy -- Priscilla Pelkey spiggy - email (210) 576-2701 x5770 - voicemail/fax ---- EBbrewpunx wrote: [Non text/plain message body suppressed] FREE voicemail, email, and fax...all in one place. Sign Up Now! http://www.onebox.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 17, 2002 Report Share Posted January 17, 2002 Hi, I know that Australian labelling laws will be changing late this year. As from late 2002, foods will have to list *all* ingredients, and list all genetically modified ingredients, no matter how minute.Bout bloody time! :-) Of course, the reason it hasn't happened up until now has been due to intensive lobbying by the food industries and the GE food industry. The last thing they want is for customers to start getting informed! Daharja XXX - " Priscilla Pelkey " <spiggy Thursday, January 17, 2002 11:30 am Re: [100% veg*n ] Re: obsessive weirdos > <html><body> > > > <tt> > unfortunately i live in a flat with 5 other girls that eat meat, i > dont > have a choice over this, and since my pans are the nicest ones > everyone > uses them to cook. one morning after i made myself vegan pancakes > i walked > > in the kitchen to get a drink and someone was using the same pan > to cook > > bacon. i forgot about the drink and just left. i also dont like > the ingredients > > thing. in america it *is* a law to list all ingredients and most > of the > > time if theres a milk-derived ingredient it says 'contains dairy' > since > some people are allergic to it. dunno why they havent done that over > > here > > spiggy > > > > -- > > Priscilla Pelkey > > spiggy - email > > (210) 576-2701 x5770 - voicemail/fax > ---- & quot;steve_pcperson1 & quot; <steve & gt; wrote: > > [Non text/plain message body suppressed] > > > > > > > > FREE voicemail, email, and fax...all in one place. > > Sign Up Now! http://www.onebox.com > > > > </tt> > > > > > <tt> > To to the Digest Mode [ recommended ], send an email to: > vegan-network-digest > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 17, 2002 Report Share Posted January 17, 2002 i know i knpow i heard about that!! they said it would be unfair to farmers who " cant " grow organic food. what the hell is up with that? -- Priscilla Pelkey spiggy - email (210) 576-2701 x5770 - voicemail/fax ---- EBbrewpunx wrote: [Non text/plain message body suppressed] FREE voicemail, email, and fax...all in one place. Sign Up Now! http://www.onebox.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 17, 2002 Report Share Posted January 17, 2002 Eh??? In the UK, most of the major supermarkets (bar Tesco, though they will send you their list of vegan products)either label suitable for vegetarian and/or cow's milk free (Safeway <Slaveway>) or suitable for vegetarians/vegans (Co-Op and Sainsbury's). I was born in the States and I don't really think that their FDA regulations are all that superior. There's no law, f'rinstance, governing the disclosure of actual components of " natural flavouring " or " natural colouring " . Over here, at least, insofar as colours, it'll say whether it's cochineal. I dunno'... I'm just surprised by your statement, that's all. xxk@xx Priscilla Pelkey [spiggy] 17 January 2002 00:30 vegan-network Re: [100% veg*n ] Re: obsessive weirdos unfortunately i live in a flat with 5 other girls that eat meat, i dont have a choice over this, and since my pans are the nicest ones everyone uses them to cook. one morning after i made myself vegan pancakes i walked in the kitchen to get a drink and someone was using the same pan to cook bacon. i forgot about the drink and just left. i also dont like the ingredients thing. in america it *is* a law to list all ingredients and most of the time if theres a milk-derived ingredient it says 'contains dairy' since some people are allergic to it. dunno why they havent done that over here spiggy -- Priscilla Pelkey spiggy - email (210) 576-2701 x5770 - voicemail/fax ---- " steve_pcperson1 " <steve wrote: [Non text/plain message body suppressed] FREE voicemail, email, and fax...all in one place. Sign Up Now! http://www.onebox.com To to the Digest Mode [ recommended ], send an email to: vegan-network-digest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 19, 2002 Report Share Posted January 19, 2002 *raises paw* as someone currently residing in the former english colonies, i would have to say, or ingredient listing sux..sorry spriggs ya spend 15 minutes because ya have to try and figure out where calcium propinate came from, if something that is labeled natural flavoring has butter in it, if they snuck some other ingredient in there ..pain in the butt but..it doesn't matter..its a burden we have to bear on both sides of the ponds fraggle In a message dated 1/19/02 7:28:57 AM Pacific Standard Time, spiggy writes: << k@, i jsut meant that its frustrating as hell to walk into a store and pick up a package, spend 5 minutes looking for ingredients and not find any! that doenst happen in america, and i agree its a hassle with all the natural flavouring shite, but id rather have some vague idea of wahts in my food than none at all. yes a lot of foods so say suitable for vegetarian/vegan, then again some vegan products just say suitable for vegetarians, or dont say anything at all. spiggs >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 19, 2002 Report Share Posted January 19, 2002 k@, i jsut meant that its frustrating as hell to walk into a store and pick up a package, spend 5 minutes looking for ingredients and not find any! that doenst happen in america, and i agree its a hassle with all the natural flavouring shite, but id rather have some vague idea of wahts in my food than none at all. yes a lot of foods so say suitable for vegetarian/vegan, then again some vegan products just say suitable for vegetarians, or dont say anything at all. spiggs -- Priscilla Pelkey spiggy - email (210) 576-2701 x5770 - voicemail/fax ---- " k@ " <kittyveg wrote: [Non text/plain message body suppressed] FREE voicemail, email, and fax...all in one place. Sign Up Now! http://www.onebox.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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