Guest guest Posted March 7, 2002 Report Share Posted March 7, 2002 djules_75 wrote: > > Hi fellow vegans! > > Technically I joined this list ages ago, but stopped using the > internet for ages for several reasons, but now I have it at home and > have more spare time, so heres a recap of me: > > I've been vegan for about four months now and veggie for a few > years, I'm 20 and live in Kent, Uk, I study sciences and like books, > cats, RPGs and lots of punk music, my favourite snack is marzipan > bar with apple, favourite meal is avocado salad, Cool. Hey, did I mention the vegan roleplayers list: prove there's more than two of us! veg-rpg/ -- Ian McDonald http://www.mcdonald.me.uk/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 2002 Report Share Posted March 7, 2002 >Hi fellow vegans! Hi Julien >Technically I joined this list ages ago, but stopped using the >internet for ages for several reasons, but now I have it at home and >have more spare time, so heres a recap of me: I'm about to sign off I think so I'll take one last opportunity to make a posting. >I've been vegan for about four months now and veggie for a few >years, I'm 20 and live in Kent, Uk, I study sciences and like books, >cats, RPGs and lots of punk music, my favourite snack is marzipan >bar with apple, favourite meal is avocado salad, have been trying to >give up smoking for a while now (I only smoke rolling tobacco, that >aren't tested on animals, have no marketing ploys, and as far as i >know are grown ethically and I really DO want to give up but don't >want to use any of that dodgy pharmaceutical replacement stuff, >besides its probably not vegan), don't know any vegans or veggies >personally except my sister who lives miles away so its difficult >being vegan but nothing could make me go back to omnivorism or >carnivorism except possibly starvation in extreme circumstances. was looking so a sentence break in there but couldn't seem to fin one ;-) Avocados are cool, shame they have to come from so far away, usually by air. Quite a few come from Israel and I am trying to boycott Israeli products. Smoking sucks and obviously you know that. But personally I don't think you should kid yourself that roll ups are somehow more ethical. So okay, they don't have the 3000 odd aditives that can be added to cigarettes, and the advertising is less in your face (but still there). BUT THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS ETHICALLY GROWN TOBACCO (i wrote tabasco for a second there). The only vaguely ethical way it could be grown would be home grown and home consumed. When tobacco is grown commercially it means that land is wasted, used to grow cash crops rather than food. Even if this were done on a 'fair trade' basis, it would still mean that productive land was being used to produce an unnecessary and addictive luxury product (deadly too) when the land could have been left to the native biodiversity or used to produce food for humans. Of course you might point out that chocolate, sugar, tea and coffee fall under the same criticism - and I would agree (while still eating chocolate). Anyhow, rant over ;-) You should be able to find other vegans in kent. There is an active sab group in that part of the world (all vegan (mostly)) and local contacts in the vegan. I am always surprised by hearing about how isolated some vegans feel. There are only 250,000 plus adult vegans in the country which is a fairly small percentage but my social circles are predominately vegan. I've been lucky enough to have lived in vegan households, resource centers, communities for the last 12 years so I don't realise how difficult it can be for other vegans. I only really feel 'odd' when trying to eat out (posh style / not chips) or when dating non vegans (which I've only done a couple of times). On the subject (this thread used to come up a lot so I guess it has been covered recently also), I have at times had a personal rule about only sleeping with vegans. I have kinda dropped that now but still feel it makes some sense considering the conflict that can arise over the simplist of things like where to eat. Glad to hear you wouldn't consider reversing your veganism. That is one of my many pet hates - ex vegans. I really can abide the idea that somebody could have acknowledged that there previous lifestyle was unethical and then gone back to it anyway. But I guess I am just being defensive. After all, somebody elses choices forces us to look at our own. That is after all why meat eaters are so upset by vegans - we challenge them even if we say nothing. Our choices indicate a judgement against them and so they turn to the offensive in defence of their way of life. any way, bed now.. bye all Ben P.S. yeah yeah I know I've done this already but... http://swiops.tincan.co.uk/ go there. try it out. comments and suggests welcome (but not spelling corrections) >Julien > > > >To to the Digest Mode [ recommended ], send an email to: >vegan-network-digest > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 2002 Report Share Posted March 7, 2002 Up the fuckin Punx!!!! What bands u like? Ewan. ---------- > " djules_75 " <djules_75 >vegan-network >[100% veg*n ] Hello >Wed, Mar 6, 2002, 11:56 pm > > Hi fellow vegans! > > Technically I joined this list ages ago, but stopped using the > internet for ages for several reasons, but now I have it at home and > have more spare time, so heres a recap of me: > > I've been vegan for about four months now and veggie for a few > years, I'm 20 and live in Kent, Uk, I study sciences and like books, > cats, RPGs and lots of punk music, my favourite snack is marzipan > bar with apple, favourite meal is avocado salad, have been trying to > give up smoking for a while now (I only smoke rolling tobacco, that > aren't tested on animals, have no marketing ploys, and as far as i > know are grown ethically and I really DO want to give up but don't > want to use any of that dodgy pharmaceutical replacement stuff, > besides its probably not vegan), don't know any vegans or veggies > personally except my sister who lives miles away so its difficult > being vegan but nothing could make me go back to omnivorism or > carnivorism except possibly starvation in extreme circumstances. > > Julien > > > > To to the Digest Mode [ recommended ], send an email to: > vegan-network-digest > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2002 Report Share Posted March 8, 2002 Awesome Ian I'll check it out vegan-network, Dr Ian McDonald <ian@m...> wrote: > djules_75 wrote: > > > > Hi fellow vegans! > > > > Technically I joined this list ages ago, but stopped using the > > internet for ages for several reasons, but now I have it at home and > > have more spare time, so heres a recap of me: > > > > I've been vegan for about four months now and veggie for a few > > years, I'm 20 and live in Kent, Uk, I study sciences and like books, > > cats, RPGs and lots of punk music, my favourite snack is marzipan > > bar with apple, favourite meal is avocado salad, > > Cool. Hey, did I mention the vegan roleplayers list: prove there's more > than two of us! > > veg-rpg/ > > -- > Ian McDonald > > http://www.mcdonald.me.uk/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2002 Report Share Posted March 8, 2002 Prop[aghandi, Bad religion, Dead Kennedys, Samian, 59 time the pain, Rancid, are a few, what aboput you? Jules vegan-network, " Ewan " <subvert_normality@n...> wrote: > Up the fuckin Punx!!!! What bands u like? > Ewan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2002 Report Share Posted March 8, 2002 propaghandi, bad religion, Samian, 59 time the pain, Rancid, Daed Kennedys, how about you? JUles vegan-network, " Ewan " <subvert_normality@n...> wrote: > Up the fuckin Punx!!!! What bands u like? > Ewan. > > ---------- > > " djules_75 " <djules_75> > >vegan-network > >[100% veg*n ] Hello > >Wed, Mar 6, 2002, 11:56 pm > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2002 Report Share Posted March 8, 2002 I wasn't directly asked but I'll throw my 2 cents in here anyway. I like to listen to punk music to and go to shows. I like alot of the old stuff, Crass, Subhumans, Aus Rotten and Conflict, Citizen Fish, Dead Kennedys. + much more -Lacie djules_75 <djules_75 wrote: propaghandi, bad religion, Samian, 59 time the pain, Rancid, Daed Kennedys, how about you? JUles vegan-network, " Ewan " <subvert_normality@n...> wrote: > Up the fuckin Punx!!!! What bands u like? > Ewan. > > ---------- > > " djules_75 " <djules_75> > >vegan-network > >[100% veg*n ] Hello > >Wed, Mar 6, 2002, 11:56 pm > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2002 Report Share Posted March 8, 2002 yay aus rotten!!! helps me get to sleep at night. anyone going to see cheap trick after spring break? oh, and in case anyone doesnt already know about this, just thought id share. www.angryyoungandpoor.com -tell your friends spiggy -- Priscilla Pelkey spiggy - email (210) 576-2701 x5770 - voicemail/fax ---- lacie farmer <laciefarmer wrote: [Non text/plain message body suppressed] FREE voicemail, email, and fax...all in one place. Sign Up Now! http://www.onebox.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2002 Report Share Posted March 9, 2002 In a message dated 3/6/02 4:33:28 PM Pacific Standard Time, ian writes: << Cool. Hey, did I mention the vegan roleplayers list: prove there's more than two of us! veg-rpg/ >> *glares at ian* wot, cuz i only work at chaosium i don't count anymore??? *pouts* that's it..no lovecraft books fer the likes of you!!! *cries and runs off* fraggle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2002 Report Share Posted March 9, 2002 Yeah, i mostly prefer older punk stuff, but quite a mixture, of the top of my head; Crass, Misfits, Clash, Rancid, Conflict, Discharge, Subhumans, Pistols, Dead Kennedys, Zounds, Ramones, Chaos UK, Dead Boys, Partisans, Exploited, GBH, One Way System, Swingin Utters, Pogues, Newtown Neurotics, Levellers, New Model Army, UK Subs, Cramps, Oxymoron, Iggy pop/Stooges, Ex-Cathedra, Stiff Little Fingers, Meteors, Ruts, Specials, Slackers etc. I also love Nick Cave and the Bad Seeds and i have an extensive Reggae collection but i'd still say punk is my main thing. Cheers, Ewan. ---------- >lacie farmer <laciefarmer >vegan-network >Re: [100% veg*n ] Hello >Fri, Mar 8, 2002, 9:00 pm > > > I wasn't directly asked but I'll throw my 2 cents in here anyway. I like > to listen to punk music to and go to shows. I like alot of the old stuff, > Crass, Subhumans, Aus Rotten and Conflict, Citizen Fish, > Dead Kennedys. + much more -Lacie > djules_75 <djules_75 wrote: propaghandi, bad religion, Samian, > 59 time the pain, Rancid, Daed > Kennedys, how about you? > > JUles > vegan-network, " Ewan " <subvert_normality@n...> wrote: >> Up the fuckin Punx!!!! What bands u like? >> Ewan. >> >> ---------- >> > " djules_75 " <djules_75> >> >vegan-network >> >[100% veg*n ] Hello >> >Wed, Mar 6, 2002, 11:56 pm >> > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2002 Report Share Posted March 9, 2002 Awesome list Ewan. I got to see Conflict ans Citizen Fish last year. Back in 98 I saw Subhumans, GBH and Stratford Mercenaries. Jello Biafria mc'd in San Francisco for an Alternative Tenacles show. That's definately not all I'm into but it's my heart. I like some mellow stuff too, listening to the Cure right now. -Lacie Ewan <subvert_normality wrote: Yeah, i mostly prefer older punk stuff, but quite a mixture, of the top of my head; Crass, Misfits, Clash, Rancid, Conflict, Discharge, Subhumans, Pistols, Dead Kennedys, Zounds, Ramones, Chaos UK, Dead Boys, Partisans, Exploited, GBH, One Way System, Swingin Utters, Pogues, Newtown Neurotics, Levellers, New Model Army, UK Subs, Cramps, Oxymoron, Iggy pop/Stooges, Ex-Cathedra, Stiff Little Fingers, Meteors, Ruts, Specials, Slackers etc. I also love Nick Cave and the Bad Seeds and i have an extensive Reggae collection but i'd still say punk is my main thing. Cheers, Ewan. ---------- >lacie farmer <laciefarmer >vegan-network >Re: [100% veg*n ] Hello >Fri, Mar 8, 2002, 9:00 pm > > > I wasn't directly asked but I'll throw my 2 cents in here anyway. I like > to listen to punk music to and go to shows. I like alot of the old stuff, > Crass, Subhumans, Aus Rotten and Conflict, Citizen Fish, > Dead Kennedys. + much more -Lacie > djules_75 <djules_75 wrote: propaghandi, bad religion, Samian, > 59 time the pain, Rancid, Daed > Kennedys, how about you? > > JUles > vegan-network, " Ewan " <subvert_normality@n...> wrote: >> Up the fuckin Punx!!!! What bands u like? >> Ewan. >> >> ---------- >> > " djules_75 " <djules_75> >> >vegan-network >> >[100% veg*n ] Hello >> >Wed, Mar 6, 2002, 11:56 pm >> > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2002 Report Share Posted March 9, 2002 EBbrewpunx wrote: > > In a message dated 3/6/02 4:33:28 PM Pacific Standard Time, > ian writes: > > << Cool. Hey, did I mention the vegan roleplayers list: prove there's more > than two of us! > > veg-rpg/ >> > > *glares at ian* > > wot, cuz i only work at chaosium i don't count anymore??? > *pouts* > > that's it..no lovecraft books fer the likes of you!!! > *cries and runs off* > > fraggle No, come back. I want those free Chasoium books! Call of Cthulhu is *cool*! Yog Yog Soggoth! No, we will grow, and we will become ... and army of roleplayers. Nay, even, a sought after demographic. Cons will provide food we can eat. And I will be able to say I'm a vegan without someone on the panel saying " Seriously? You're a vegan? " as if he were asking about my plant of origin and not my diet. Well, I can dream, can't I? -- Ian McDonald http://www.mcdonald.me.uk/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2002 Report Share Posted March 10, 2002 In a message dated 3/8/02 12:49:43 PM Pacific Standard Time, djules_75 writes: << propaghandi, bad religion, Samian, 59 time the pain, Rancid, Daed Kennedys, how about you? >> ah *remembers the days when bad religion where good* just my opinion mind ya..i'm a curmudgeony fart sometimes *cheeky smile* Lesley! run! yer surrounded by punx!! *giggles* just kiddin with ya *bounds into the shadows* fraggle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2002 Report Share Posted March 10, 2002 vegan-network, EBbrewpunx@c... wrote: > ah > *remembers the days when bad religion where good* > just my opinion mind ya..i'm a curmudgeony fart sometimes > *cheeky smile* > Yeah ok I know they sold out. hats of for them still keeping togethor though. > Lesley! run! yer surrounded by punx!! > *giggles* Vegan ones as well! Its good to see there are some, the punks I know are all carnivores as far as i know > > just kiddin with ya > *bounds into the shadows* > fraggle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2002 Report Share Posted March 11, 2002 >> Lesley! run! yer surrounded by punx!! >> *giggles* > > Vegan ones as well! Its good to see there are some, the punks I know > are all carnivores as far as i know I was talking about this with a friend the other day, we agreed that even tho for quite a while after we got into punk we ate meat, now we find it quite surprising to meet a punk who isn't at least vegetarian, apart from wee skate/plastic punk types. Weird that, anyone else experience that? I suppose its' just the sort of scene i've been hangin around. Oh well Ewan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2002 Report Share Posted March 11, 2002 vegan punx seem to be..there own little group here....most of the punx into veganism lean much more toward the crusty end of the spectrum, and i lean much more toward the street punk..soo... there are a lot of veggie punx in my neck of the woods..tho, there doesn't seem to be as many as before..at least amongst the folks i hang out with....a lot of em dropped out, moved away, etc... we have a thanxfernuthin gathering every november(thanksgiving day here in the colonies), and everyone is suppose to bring something.....and the vegan tables use to be jam packed and spilling out all over..the last few years i have been watching them slowly get smaller and smaller..oh well fraggle " Ewan " <subvert_normality wrote: >>> Lesley! run! yer surrounded by punx!! >>> *giggles* >> >> Vegan ones as well! Its good to see there are some, the punks I know >> are all carnivores as far as i know > >I was talking about this with a friend the other day, we agreed that even >tho for quite a while after we got into punk we ate meat, now we find it >quite surprising to meet a punk who isn't at least vegetarian, apart from >wee skate/plastic punk types. Weird that, anyone else experience that? I >suppose its' just the sort of scene i've been hangin around. Oh well > >Ewan. > > >To to the Digest Mode [ recommended ], send an email to: vegan-network-digest > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2002 Report Share Posted March 11, 2002 > vegan punx seem to be..there own little group here....most of the punx into > veganism lean much more toward the crusty end of the spectrum, and i lean > much more toward the street punk..soo... > I'd say the punx i associate with would definately fall under the crusty category! Don't think there's such a huge street punk scene in Scotland. Ewan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2002 Report Share Posted March 11, 2002 Did someone mention living in Oakland? I'm in cali too, do you go to the gilman much? -Lacie EBbrewpunx wrote: vegan punx seem to be..there own little group here....most of the punx into veganism lean much more toward the crusty end of the spectrum, and i lean much more toward the street punk..soo... there are a lot of veggie punx in my neck of the woods..tho, there doesn't seem to be as many as before..at least amongst the folks i hang out with....a lot of em dropped out, moved away, etc... we have a thanxfernuthin gathering every november(thanksgiving day here in the colonies), and everyone is suppose to bring something.....and the vegan tables use to be jam packed and spilling out all over..the last few years i have been watching them slowly get smaller and smaller..oh well fraggle " Ewan " <subvert_normality wrote: >>> Lesley! run! yer surrounded by punx!! >>> *giggles* >> >> Vegan ones as well! Its good to see there are some, the punks I know >> are all carnivores as far as i know > >I was talking about this with a friend the other day, we agreed that even >tho for quite a while after we got into punk we ate meat, now we find it >quite surprising to meet a punk who isn't at least vegetarian, apart from >wee skate/plastic punk types. Weird that, anyone else experience that? I >suppose its' just the sort of scene i've been hangin around. Oh well > >Ewan. > > >To to the Digest Mode [ recommended ], send an email to: vegan-network-digest > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2002 Report Share Posted March 11, 2002 only go to gilman maybe once er twice a year... i use to work there(late 80's early 90's) and just got burnt out on it i guess not my scene anymore, if that makes sense... i'm a city boi mostly.. covered wagon etc. ya should go to burnt ramen on the 23rd o march...cuz its my birthday *kicks foot shtly* strychnine intrepid aaf strung up street trash nuts and bolts maybe another band er two cheers fraggle lacie farmer <laciefarmer wrote: > > Did someone mention living in Oakland? I'm in cali too, do you go to the gilman much? -Lacie > EBbrewpunx wrote: vegan punx seem to be..there own little group here....most of the punx into veganism lean much more toward the crusty end of the spectrum, and i lean much more toward the street punk..soo... >there are a lot of veggie punx in my neck of the woods..tho, there doesn't seem to be as many as before..at least amongst the folks i hang out with....a lot of em dropped out, moved away, etc... >we have a thanxfernuthin gathering every november(thanksgiving day here in the colonies), and everyone is suppose to bring something.....and the vegan tables use to be jam packed and spilling out all over..the last few years i have been watching them slowly get smaller and smaller..oh well >fraggle > > > > " Ewan " <subvert_normality wrote: > >>>> Lesley! run! yer surrounded by punx!! >>>> *giggles* >>> >>> Vegan ones as well! Its good to see there are some, the punks I know >>> are all carnivores as far as i know >> >>I was talking about this with a friend the other day, we agreed that even >>tho for quite a while after we got into punk we ate meat, now we find it >>quite surprising to meet a punk who isn't at least vegetarian, apart from >>wee skate/plastic punk types. Weird that, anyone else experience that? I >>suppose its' just the sort of scene i've been hangin around. Oh well >> >>Ewan. >> >> >>To to the Digest Mode [ recommended ], send an email to: vegan-network-digest >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2002 Report Share Posted March 11, 2002 I can see getting burnt out. I don't get down there much because it's a good drive away. I've been to burnt ramen before, but on the 23rd I'm going to my friend's 'retirement' party (he's taking off to travel) down in Oakland. Happy B-day though! I'll bet we know a few of the same people. -Lacie PS, did you used to travel? EBbrewpunx wrote: only go to gilman maybe once er twice a year... i use to work there(late 80's early 90's) and just got burnt out on it i guess not my scene anymore, if that makes sense... i'm a city boi mostly.. covered wagon etc. ya should go to burnt ramen on the 23rd o march...cuz its my birthday *kicks foot shtly* strychnine intrepid aaf strung up street trash nuts and bolts maybe another band er two cheers fraggle lacie farmer <laciefarmer wrote: > > Did someone mention living in Oakland? I'm in cali too, do you go to the gilman much? -Lacie > EBbrewpunx wrote: vegan punx seem to be..there own little group here....most of the punx into veganism lean much more toward the crusty end of the spectrum, and i lean much more toward the street punk..soo... >there are a lot of veggie punx in my neck of the woods..tho, there doesn't seem to be as many as before..at least amongst the folks i hang out with....a lot of em dropped out, moved away, etc... >we have a thanxfernuthin gathering every november(thanksgiving day here in the colonies), and everyone is suppose to bring something.....and the vegan tables use to be jam packed and spilling out all over..the last few years i have been watching them slowly get smaller and smaller..oh well >fraggle > > > > " Ewan " <subvert_normality wrote: > >>>> Lesley! run! yer surrounded by punx!! >>>> *giggles* >>> >>> Vegan ones as well! Its good to see there are some, the punks I know >>> are all carnivores as far as i know >> >>I was talking about this with a friend the other day, we agreed that even >>tho for quite a while after we got into punk we ate meat, now we find it >>quite surprising to meet a punk who isn't at least vegetarian, apart from >>wee skate/plastic punk types. Weird that, anyone else experience that? I >>suppose its' just the sort of scene i've been hangin around. Oh well >> >>Ewan. >> >> >>To to the Digest Mode [ recommended ], send an email to: vegan-network-digest >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2002 Report Share Posted March 11, 2002 ha, this is one of my gripes. i first got into punk in the late 70's, pistols, that sort of stuff, then crass, conflict, even 82 punk like abrasive wheels, blitz, demob etc etc. i became vegetarian in 1983, vegan in 84. i got to know a lot of anarcho punks, all of which were at least vegetarian. i got involved in direct action, demos, sabbing. by the early 90's punk/hardcore appeared to be losing the spark it had back in the early 80's, the vast majority of people in punk/hardcore no longer seemed to care. unfortunatly, this still seems to be the case today. we played a festival in belgium 4 or 5 years back. i got called into the bar/food area to get our free food. i walked in and was like " what the fuck is that smell, it's fuckin chicken!! " i couldn't beleive it. all these american bands (warzone, can't remember the other ones, there was one where the soinger is well into sea shepheard, i'm sure somebody knows their name, i just can't remember it, ah, is it ignite??) apparantly INSISTED on having meat! i was so pissed off. there were many people in the crowd too that were just into hardcore, the ideas that some of the bands were expressing seemed un-important. anyway, i know exactly what you are saying. when i meet someone who'sd into punk/hardcore and i find out they eat meat, i just can't beleive it! so many people have been exposed to the whole cruelty propaganda, but they ignore it. pisses me off...........RAT.............did any of that make sense? I was talking about this with a friend the other day, we agreed that even tho for quite a while after we got into punk we ate meat, now we find it quite surprising to meet a punk who isn't at least vegetarian, apart from wee skate/plastic punk types. Weird that, anyone else experience that? I suppose its' just the sort of scene i've been hangin around. Oh well Ewan. To to the Digest Mode [ recommended ], send an email to: vegan-network-digest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2002 Report Share Posted March 11, 2002 " i first got into punk in the late 70's, pistols, that sort of stuff, then crass, conflict, even 82 punk like abrasive wheels, blitz, demob etc etc. i became vegetarian in 1983 " i wasnt even alive until 1983. thats amazing. i WISH i could have been veggie in 83! but no my parents are still very very against it. i didnt get into punk til the early 90s. the first concert i went to was NKOTB!! hehehehehe. veggie punks are definitely becomming the minority, but i will still keep sitting at information tables at shows. as long as were griping how bout blink 182 and sum 41? whats up with them being labeled PUNK?? im sorry but songs with lyrics like 'i cant control my bladder anymore' just make me roll my eyes. with their follwing of 12 year olds theyre more like a boyband. and has anyone from glasgow noticed the insane ammount of goth kids? i noticed them queueing up for a show at the cathouse and they stretched almost to central station!! i was confused for a long time. spiggy -- Priscilla Pelkey spiggy - email (210) 576-2701 x5770 - voicemail/fax ---- " k@ " <kittyveg wrote: [Non text/plain message body suppressed] FREE voicemail, email, and fax...all in one place. Sign Up Now! http://www.onebox.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2002 Report Share Posted March 11, 2002 > anyway, i know exactly what you are saying. when i meet someone who'sd into > punk/hardcore and i find out they eat meat, i just can't beleive it! so many > people have been exposed to the whole cruelty propaganda, but they ignore > it. pisses me off...........RAT.............did any of that make sense? > It totally makes sense to me, im glad its not just me then - but i still quite a shock whenever i see a punk walking about with a burger in their hand or whatever, just doesn't seem to fit, but who am i to say? Ewan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2002 Report Share Posted March 11, 2002 vegan-network, " Priscilla Pelkey " <spiggy@o...> wrote: > > i wasnt even alive until 1983. thats amazing. i WISH i could have been > veggie in 83! but no my parents are still very very against it. i didnt > get into punk til the early 90s. the first concert i went to was NKOTB!! > hehehehehe. veggie punks are definitely becomming the minority, but i > will still keep sitting at information tables at shows. as long as were > griping how bout blink 182 and sum 41? whats up with them being labeled > PUNK?? im sorry but songs with lyrics like 'i cant control my bladder > anymore' just make me roll my eyes. with their follwing of 12 year olds > theyre more like a boyband. and has anyone from glasgow noticed the insane > ammount of goth kids? i noticed them queueing up for a show at the cathouse > and they stretched almost to central station!! i was confused for a long > time. > spiggy > I've only been into punk since about last year, but I've been under the impression that its all about freedom of expression, whoever,and whatever you are. I can't stand all the posses of Korn, Limp Bizkit, and all these other post " wish I was " punk bands, Blink 182 make me want to puke (I think thats what they intended though). But I think its better than having loads of michael jackson fans, or girls screaming in ectasy over Cliff Richard or the Beatles. Like I went into a burger bar once in Brighton that as well as its deathburgers advertised its " 100% vegetarian burger " . All the people who were in there were wearing Korn teeshirts and Slipknot, what have you. I immediately felt intimidated, and felt like a warthog walking into a lions' den. I asked about the burger, turned out it was made with egg and milk and cooked in the same tray as the chicken burgers! So much for 100% vegetarian. I left before you could say " * & ^%$£ " . Point is, thats what I think people who eat meat should be like. If they're happy being carnivorous, let them display it, I don't want any superficiality when dealing with bloodthirsty vultures. I'm so sick of people eating meat and then pretending to be compassionate or caring or " nice " people. Goths - the same - if you're obsessed with darkness and death at least let everyone know who you are. Jules Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2002 Report Share Posted March 11, 2002 vegan-network, " Ewan " <subvert_normality@n...> wrote: > It totally makes sense to me, im glad its not just me then - but i still > quite a shock whenever i see a punk walking about with a burger in their > hand or whatever, just doesn't seem to fit, but who am i to say? > > Ewan. I know what you mean. I was in class a couple of days ago, and was suffering the usual questionnaire about veganism. At one point I informed the inquisitionists that it was thought that the reason why meat eating humans like bacon so much is because it tastes like human meat (true theory). Then to my surprise a punk, who I was sitting next to, said: " yep. It is. " and said no more, as if to say, yeah I know and I eat it and I don't care. OK he was more of a havelotsoffunandgotolotsofgigs punk than a crusty conflict punk. I'm shy and had been wanting to get to know him out of class to meet other punks in my vicinity but I'm a bit put off, I guess I was secretly hoping he was a vegetarian or something. Jules the wannabe punk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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