Out to lunch + Protein + Coping + Yellow card for Sarah

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some vegan superstar wrote:

 

> Any non-vegan who challenges the 'why's' of veganism will get an extensive and

> rational list of reasons from me without mercy.

 

ha ha.

 

throw in a few irrational ones as well and send them back with bullet

points. show them vegans have teeth too. if you think about it, everyone

seems to loves " attitudinal " people these days. namby pamby doesn't seem

to work.

 

I have to laugh at Rob's walk out protest. too right. sometimes the silence

of consciencious objection speaks loudly. that sounded like some vegan hell

he had strolled into by accident during some Faustian dream. may be they got

confused by all your kinky rubber posting and took you to an Argentinian

leather fetish club instead.

 

Personally, I always find humour much better self defence and more useful

campaigning lever. It shows that you are on top of the situation and

untouchable by their stupidity. However, it does take some practice and

multiple exposure to adversity to hone into shape.

 

Stand up comedy is the best training for vegan evangelists but sure thing,

vegan feel happier with vegans and the longer you stay vegan the less you

can be bothered to put up with all the repetitive silliness they come up.

 

Let's face, no one heading in for a steak dinner *really* wants to be a

vegan in a million years.

 

and as for pfiesteria piscicida " cell from hell " it sounds like some ALF

group we should all be proud off.

 

> what it comes down to is that we must accept other people for what they

> have chosen to be, do, say etc. unconditional love.

 

well, it has been a long time but sarah monster gets a yellow card for

sinking close to using personal insults in place of debate.

 

this " freewill " thing is wrong headedness.

 

it an outmoded concept, a fad born of cod liberalism in which a spiritually

immature selfishness is at the centre. what we have discovered since is that

everything and everyone is also connected. eating meat is not just eating

meat but also screwing up the environment, causing human injustices,

lowering the mutual spirit of humanity.

 

we don¹t actually have freewill. we might try and take it to please

ourselves but what humanity has is total responsibility to get its act

together to survive. the entire planet is sick from people putting their

rights above their responsibilities and it is time we moved on from it.

 

> I am a new vegan and have been able to find a lot of information

> about diets/nutrition etc but I can find NO information about

> social/family responses to veganism. . Any advice?

 

whew! the big one. well stick around and pick up some hints from the war

wounded.

 

following the threads that have been on this list in the recent past, I

think that the best idea is to keep people interested with discussions on

cats, beer, chocolate and oral sex.

 

hey, on that basis, being vegan does not sound that bad, does it?

 

I discovered from the woman doctor doing the B12 study that there is someone

in the UK doing a psychology PhD in the business of what makes up a vegan

mind. I wish someone would think about doing a sociology degree in the

effects of vegan consciousness on the rest of society.

 

I think that it has a lot of parallels with straight spiritual psychological

growth. Someone wakes up and is surrounded by those that are still asleep -

and boy do they resent being woken up before their time! my best advice is

to learn how to make a clearly defined line of acceptability about you and

stick to it. much of the flack you take is about other's invasion of your

own personal space.

 

and yes, you will come to prefer to spend more time along than recycle

garbage with others. try find positive things, positive groups to get

involved with and be prepared to leave other behind as you move forward. it

is worse than death to drag them with you for both your sakes.

 

a quick word on protein.

 

try asking them how much protein their food actually has. I bet you they

have not a clue. or how much they need ... science had pretty much a little

clue as yet.

 

consider that buckwheat, for example, has exactly as much protein as steak

and wheat and other grains almost as much again. the whole protein thing is

a myth. ask how much protein in their meat is actually accessible and at

what cost, they will not have a clue.

 

and state that the important thing is not the amount but the proportion

between fat, carbohydrate and protein that the body can actually cope with

at any one time. people's concept of what food is is terribly limited.

 

oh, and bad news for Rob. spunk hasn't got any B12 in it. so there goes you

chat up line, bro. apparently, it is most polysaccharides. it needs all that

energy to buzz its way up the love canals and feed the egg. vit B12 is one

of the heaviest vitamins and would stiffen it up. it has some folic acid in

it though. I asked the vegan doctor about it.

 

john

 

have fun, be nice, edit off your replies folks.