[100% veg*n ] Space Bars and how Barry Horne save my life

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demo wrote:

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> I am not a great conspiracy theoretian, and lean far more to putting these

> things down to social entropy, the lazy collective psychology of human

> beings and their resistance to real and fundamental changes in general, but

> big changes take radicalism. it always seems that we need the Berserkers

> first off the boat to break the beachhead and this is where the likes of

> Barry Horne fit in.

 

He's a shock jock?

 

> what is the breakdown of folks killed and injured by the opposition to

> animal rights movement and folks actually killed and injured by the animal

> rights movement? I cant think of any that have been killed by AR, although

> the guy from Huntingdon did have his head cut [ poor thing ]. on the other

> hand, I can think a more than a few that have been hurt by the opposition,

> that Jill from the live export demo being the first actual death.

 

Although some claim that the truck that knocked Jill down was waved

through by a police officer who could see exactly what was happening,

and was therefore culpable, we ought to at least consider the

possibility that that was an accident.

 

I keep hearing reports about violent police or hunt supporters, so I

expect that some of them are true. But I haven't heard of intimidation

and terror used as a strategy.

 

On the AR side, deliberate personal violence sounds fairly rare. (Didn't

someone blow up a car in Bristol?) Intimidation, on the other hand, is

accepted far too often. The names and phone numbers of HLS employees are

given out, and people are encouraged to call, with a high turnover of

HLS employees an explicit aim. HLS shareholders are doorstopped. I am

tired of hearing media reports of AR people threatening pro-Animal

experiment scientists. Some reports may be exaguarrated or false: but I

know from the vegan movement that whilst personal violence usually

remains taboo, it's not too difficult to find people who tacitly support

terror.

 

This makes it far too easy to portray AR people as the terrorist

villains. It also makes it trivial to justify hiding experimental

procedures from the harsh light of a free press and a public debate.

 

> at least you are climbing down from your pejorative " firebomber " libel,

> doctor. I just wish that you could prove me wrong that taking the

> establishment's side and the establishment's route actually made things

> happen faster.

 

When did I say that? Barry Horne was convicted of making and planting

incendiary devices. Unless I have the language of violence wrong, that

is the same thing as a " firebomb " . It is perjorative, yes, but it's not

a libel. Barry was a firebomber.

 

And although I do take the establishment, legal, route, I don't take

their side .

 

> personally, I don¹t do violence against the property of animal abuses but I

> would not put down those that do. there is a clear difference between the

> strategy of deliberate economic damage against offenders and plain arson.

 

Barry's methods were very dangerous: he put his firebombs in product. At

least one of which was taken back to family homes.

 

But yes, the distinction between property vioelence and personal

violence is ignored by the media. Particularly when someone is trying to

label organisations like Earth First " terrorist " .

 

> john

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Did some filter lock onto the words in our discussion and decide we were

wannabe criminals? These adverts are beyond parody, sometimes.

 

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Ian McDonald

 

http://www.mcdonald.me.uk/