Guest guest Posted June 15, 2002 Report Share Posted June 15, 2002 Their critique of Howell's enzyme work was ludicrous!. Some anti posted it many months back, and it showed a horrible misunderstanding of the basic ideas this is the same thing... hmm, so miscarriages are supposedly how the majority of veg*an births end? hmm, all veg*an diets are low in fat (excusing that " low " is not a measurement and is pretty vegue) " Along with the unjustified and unscientific saturated fat and cholesterol scares of the past several decades has come the notion that vegetarianism is a healthier dietary option for people. " http://www.cfsan.fda.gov/~dms/fdhclm.html hmm, the FDA has only allowed 12 health claims on foods, and they seem to think there's a link between saturated fat and cholesterol and risk of coronary heart disease. " MYTH #1: Meat consumption contributes to famine and depletes the Earth's natural resources. " Hmm, I must say I sure don't hear that first idea much.... is that supposed to be a common claim of most veg*ans?? as for the second claim.... he doesn't touch upon it. Talking about monocultures is not the same as water, topsoil, and energy use. Animal foods surely use more water http://www.sbceo.k12.ca.us/~uccesb1/st10.htm and here's the same info from a better source http://www.cfwc.com/FACTBOOK.PDF MYTH #2: Vitamin B12 can be obtained from plant sources. yes, it's a myth, grnated that he say " relaible B12 " I don't think this has any change on the overall idea of veg*ism, though. MYTH #3: Our needs for vitamin D can be met by sunlight. Though not really a vegetarian myth per se, well, why it is listed as a veg*an myth then? actually it can be supplemented just as B12 is, and thus there is no unresolved issue ......skip a bit of his findings of which the FDA disagrees with him (same link from above) down to soy: " On a purely nutritional level, soybeans, like all legumes, are deficient in cysteine and methionine, vital sulphur-containing amino acids, as well as tryptophan, another essential amino acid. " He better let the FDA know that he agains disagrees with them http://www.fda.gov/fdac/features/2000/300_soy.html and the World Health Organiziation who has found digestible protein of soy to be equivelent to the 100% protein value of milk and eggs http://www.nal.usda.gov/fnic/cgi-bin/nut_search.pl as for his other soy claims.... they are important, but he should suggest that they are innate to all soy foods ...... they are related to processing of soy, and not soy itself. Some forms of processing eliminate these bad stuff http://www.edenfoods.com/info/03072001.html I sure wish he'd pop his head into some place where others could critique his site. I'd sent some cruitiques to beyondveg.com (another anti-veg site) to no surprise that they didn't reply - " energy_solutions2001 " <jallan <vegan-network > Saturday, June 15, 2002 12:00 AM [100% veg*n ] THE MYTHS OF VEGETARIANISM Oh, here is that article and a whole host of links to anit- vegetarian sites. Too low to copy and paste but if you want otbe wound up, click here; http://powerhealth.net/selected_articles.htm Actually, the only myth about vegetarianism I agree with is that eggs are vegetables. His most audactious myth - which I believe was debunk ages ago - was that Hindus have only been able to stay healthy because they eat bugs and worms in their food. The cutting edge of science folks from a real man that eats liver. John THE MYTHS OF VEGETARIANISM Stephen Byrnes, PhD, RNCP Originally published in the Townsend Letter for Doctors & Patients, July 2000. Revised January 2002 " An unflinching determination to take the whole evidence into account is the only method of preservation against the fluctuating extremes of fashionable opinion. " Alfred North Whitehead Bill and Tanya sat before me in my office in a somber mood: they had just lost their first baby in the second month of pregnancy. Tanya was particularly upset. " Why did this happen to me? Why did I miscarry my baby? " The young couple had come to see me mostly because of Tanya's recurrent respiratory infections, but also wanted some advice as to how they could avoid the heartache of another failed pregnancy. Upon questioning Tanya about her diet, I quickly saw the cause of her infections, as well as her miscarriage: she had virtually no fat in her diet and was also mostly a vegetarian. Because of the plentiful media rhetoric about the supposed dangers of animal product consumption, as opposed to the alleged health benefits of the vegetarian lifestyle, Tanya had deliberately removed such things as cream, butter, meats and fish from her diet. Although she liked liver, she avoided it due to worries over " toxins. " Tanya and Bill left with a bottle of vitamin A, other supplements and a dietary prescription that included plentiful amounts of animal fats and meat. Just before leaving my office, Tanya looked at me and said ruefully: " I just don't know what to believe sometimes. Everywhere I look there is all this low-fat, vegetarian stuff recommended. I followed it, and look what happened. " I assured her that if she and her husband changed their diets and allowed sufficient time for her weakened uterus to heal, they would be happy parents in due time. In November 2000, Bill and Tanya happily gave birth to their first child, a girl. THE EVOLUTION OF A MYTH Along with the unjustified and unscientific saturated fat and cholesterol scares of the past several decades has come the notion that vegetarianism is a healthier dietary option for people. It seems as if every health expert and government health agency is urging people to eat fewer animal products and consume more vegetables, grains, fruits and legumes. Along with these exhortations have come assertions and studies supposedly proving that vegetarianism is healthier for people and that meat consumption is associated with sickness and death. Several authorities, however, have questioned these data, but their objections have been largely ignored. As we shall see, many of the vegetarian claims cannot be substantiated and some are simply false and dangerous. There are benefits to vegetarian diets for certain health conditions, and some people function better on less fat and protein, but, as a practitioner who has dealt with several former vegetarians and vegans (total vegetarians), I know full well the dangerous effects of a diet devoid of healthful animal products. It is my hope that all readers will more carefully evaluate their position on vegetarianism after reading this paper. MYTH #1: Meat consumption contributes to famine and depletes the Earth's natural resources. MYTH #2: Vitamin B12 can be obtained from plant sources. MYTH #3: Our needs for vitamin D can be met by sunlight. MYTH #4: The body's needs for vitamin A can be entirely obtained from plant foods. MYTH #5: Meat-eating causes osteoporosis, kidney disease, heart disease, and cancer. MYTH #6: Saturated fats and dietary cholesterol cause heart disease, atherosclerosis, and/or cancer, and low-fat, low- cholesterol diets are healthier for people. MYTH #7: Vegetarians live longer and have more energy and endurance than meat-eaters. MYTH #8: The " cave man " diet was low-fat and/or vegetarian. Humans evolved as vegetarians. MYTH #9: Meat and saturated fat consumption have increased in the 20th century, with a corresponding increase in heart disease and cancer. MYTH #10: Soy products are adequate substitutes for meat and dairy products. MYTH #11: The human body is not designed for meat consumption. MYTH #12: Eating animal flesh causes violent, aggressive behavior in humans. MYTH #13: Animal products contain numerous, harmful toxins. MYTH #14: Eating meat or animal products is less " spiritual " than eating only plant foods. MYTH #15: Eating animal foods is inhumane. Stephen Byrnes, PhD, RNCP, enjoys robust health on a diet that includes butter, cream, eggs, meat, whole milk, cheese, and liver. 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