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" John Allan " <jallan

" 100% Veg*n " <vegan-network >

Monday, June 17, 2002 10:33 AM

[100% veg*n ] Re: prisons versus hospitals

 

 

> On 17/6/02 7:05 AM, " vegan-network "

> <vegan-network > wrote:

>

> > The punishment is for decisions and actions, but the actions and

decisions

> > can be, and often in the case of crimes, are the results of various more

> > fundamental causes

>

>

> I was kind of amused by the hardline Macrobiotic opinion that the people

> that were in prisons need to be in hospitals, because they criminal

insanity

> was caused by bad food and lifestyle, and the people in hospitals should

be

> put in prison for the crime of abusing their body and the environment.

>

> A touch over simplified perhaps but it touches on my sympathies.

 

Me too, and boy can you imagine the protests this idea would bring? There's

even one group on the net, " consumer freedom " or something, and they support

junk food ads ins chools, and basically the right of people do do what they

want...... obviously missing the idea of goals like health (but not missing

the other side's goal of $) In my distict in the US, PA, Coke or Pepsi, one

of them have gottena deal with our school's to put soda machines on every

floor of the schools, and on the poutside of them by playgrounds. So, now,

these kids can get 30% of the recommended calories from just 1 bottle of

soda, while getting zero vitamins and minerals (the school board who

approved this is forgetting that money is not the goal of school, but is a

tool to reach the real goal of education (while not harming the students)

 

I think people should pay different taxes based on their pollution and use

of services. People who eat unhealthfully and use more of the medical

services offered partially by taxpayers should pay more. People who drive

vehicles that use 12 mpg should pay more in road taxes.

 

Hmm, actually maybe the idea would have more acceptance if it used the

carrot approach.... taxes wouldn't increase for anyone, but those eating

healthier diets, or driving more efficient cars would pay less.

I believe there is a life insurance company in UK which gives discounts to

vegetarians

 

JonJ

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thank bacchus here in the bay area there is a big movement against coke and such

companies pushing their wares in skools....

berkeley skool system passed an ordinance that they CAn NOT advertise on

campus..yeah!

and, berekeley skools also encourage organic gardening on site to help

suplliment lunches...one baby step after another at least gets ya closer!!!!

fraggle

 

 

resppect wrote:

 

>

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> " John Allan " <jallan

> " 100% Veg*n " <vegan-network >

>Monday, June 17, 2002 10:33 AM

>[100% veg*n ] Re: prisons versus hospitals

>

>

>> On 17/6/02 7:05 AM, " vegan-network "

>> <vegan-network > wrote:

>>

>> > The punishment is for decisions and actions, but the actions and

>decisions

>> > can be, and often in the case of crimes, are the results of various more

>> > fundamental causes

>>

>>

>> I was kind of amused by the hardline Macrobiotic opinion that the people

>> that were in prisons need to be in hospitals, because they criminal

>insanity

>> was caused by bad food and lifestyle, and the people in hospitals should

>be

>> put in prison for the crime of abusing their body and the environment.

>>

>> A touch over simplified perhaps but it touches on my sympathies.

>

>Me too, and boy can you imagine the protests this idea would bring?  There's

>even one group on the net, " consumer freedom " or something, and they support

>junk food ads ins chools, and basically the right of people do do what they

>want...... obviously missing the idea of goals like health (but not missing

>the other side's goal of $)  In my distict in the US, PA, Coke or Pepsi, one

>of them have gottena  deal with our school's to put soda machines on every

>floor of the schools, and on the poutside of them by playgrounds.  So, now,

>these kids can get 30% of the recommended calories from just 1 bottle of

>soda, while getting zero vitamins and minerals  (the school board who

>approved this is forgetting that money is not the goal of school, but is a

>tool to reach the real goal of education (while not harming the students)

>

>I think people should pay different taxes based on their pollution and use

>of services.  People who eat unhealthfully and use more of the medical

>services offered partially by taxpayers should pay more.  People who drive

>vehicles that use 12 mpg should pay more in road taxes.

>

>Hmm, actually maybe the idea would have more acceptance if it used the

>carrot approach.... taxes wouldn't increase for anyone, but those eating

>healthier diets, or driving more efficient cars would pay less.

>I believe there is a life insurance company in UK which gives discounts to

>vegetarians

>

>JonJ

>

>

>

>To to the Digest Mode [ recommended ], send an email to:

vegan-network-digest

>

>

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In a message dated 6/18/02 4:49:38 PM Pacific Daylight Time,

resppect writes:

> Yes! it's great to know the positive news, as well.

> I remember another news you posted a while back about the CA school that

> was

> voting to include (or switch) their cafeteria food to organic

 

 

egads..its bad when ya got me bein' the positive one!!!

things are worse off then we thought!!!

*runs fer the hills*

oh, wait..uranium mines, shale oil extracting, acid rain..

ummmmm

*runs fer islands*

umm..global warming, rising ocean waters, coral reefs dying, over fishing,

toxic waste dumping...

oh....i'll just sit here in the city and calmly watch " survivor " and be a

good sheep..

bah

fraggle

 

 

 

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Yes! it's great to know the positive news, as well.

I remember another news you posted a while back about the CA school that was

voting to include (or switch) their cafeteria food to organic

 

JonJ

 

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<vegan-network >

Tuesday, June 18, 2002 10:13 AM

Re: [100% veg*n ] Re: prisons versus hospitals

 

 

> thank bacchus here in the bay area there is a big movement against coke

and such companies pushing their wares in skools....

> berkeley skool system passed an ordinance that they CAn NOT advertise on

campus..yeah!

> and, berekeley skools also encourage organic gardening on site to help

suplliment lunches...one baby step after another at least gets ya closer!!!!

> fraggle

>

>

> resppect wrote:

>

> >

> >-

> > " John Allan " <jallan

> > " 100% Veg*n " <vegan-network >

> >Monday, June 17, 2002 10:33 AM

> >[100% veg*n ] Re: prisons versus hospitals

> >

> >

> >> On 17/6/02 7:05 AM, " vegan-network "

> >> <vegan-network > wrote:

> >>

> >> > The punishment is for decisions and actions, but the actions and

> >decisions

> >> > can be, and often in the case of crimes, are the results of various

more

> >> > fundamental causes

> >>

> >>

> >> I was kind of amused by the hardline Macrobiotic opinion that the

people

> >> that were in prisons need to be in hospitals, because they criminal

> >insanity

> >> was caused by bad food and lifestyle, and the people in hospitals

should

> >be

> >> put in prison for the crime of abusing their body and the environment.

> >>

> >> A touch over simplified perhaps but it touches on my sympathies.

> >

> >Me too, and boy can you imagine the protests this idea would bring?

There's

> >even one group on the net, " consumer freedom " or something, and they

support

> >junk food ads ins chools, and basically the right of people do do what

they

> >want...... obviously missing the idea of goals like health (but not

missing

> >the other side's goal of $) In my distict in the US, PA, Coke or Pepsi,

one

> >of them have gottena deal with our school's to put soda machines on every

> >floor of the schools, and on the poutside of them by playgrounds. So,

now,

> >these kids can get 30% of the recommended calories from just 1 bottle of

> >soda, while getting zero vitamins and minerals (the school board who

> >approved this is forgetting that money is not the goal of school, but is

a

> >tool to reach the real goal of education (while not harming the students)

> >

> >I think people should pay different taxes based on their pollution and

use

> >of services. People who eat unhealthfully and use more of the medical

> >services offered partially by taxpayers should pay more. People who drive

> >vehicles that use 12 mpg should pay more in road taxes.

> >

> >Hmm, actually maybe the idea would have more acceptance if it used the

> >carrot approach.... taxes wouldn't increase for anyone, but those eating

> >healthier diets, or driving more efficient cars would pay less.

> >I believe there is a life insurance company in UK which gives discounts

to

> >vegetarians

> >

> >JonJ

> >

> >

> >

> >To to the Digest Mode [ recommended ], send an email to:

vegan-network-digest

> >

> >

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hey! no fair giving some positive news and then turning like a coward back

to the blackness! :)

 

I'm reading After Many a Summer Dies the Swan, and the author gives one

character an interesting line, something like, " there's nothing wrong with

being cynical, you just have to know where to stop " like the idea,

gotta stop before the emotions start to move too far towards an imbalance of

negative thoughts, and hostility towards those we disagree with

 

:)

 

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<EBbrewpunx

<vegan-network >

Tuesday, June 18, 2002 8:39 PM

Re: [100% veg*n ] Re: prisons versus hospitals

 

 

> In a message dated 6/18/02 4:49:38 PM Pacific Daylight Time,

> resppect writes:

> > Yes! it's great to know the positive news, as well.

> > I remember another news you posted a while back about the CA school that

> > was

> > voting to include (or switch) their cafeteria food to organic

>

>

> egads..its bad when ya got me bein' the positive one!!!

> things are worse off then we thought!!!

> *runs fer the hills*

> oh, wait..uranium mines, shale oil extracting, acid rain..

> ummmmm

> *runs fer islands*

> umm..global warming, rising ocean waters, coral reefs dying, over fishing,

> toxic waste dumping...

> oh....i'll just sit here in the city and calmly watch " survivor " and be a

> good sheep..

> bah

> fraggle

>

>

>

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i never said i was stable!!!!

:)

fraggle

 

 

resppect wrote:

 

>hey! no fair giving some positive news and then turning like a coward back

>to the blackness! :)

>

>I'm reading After Many a Summer Dies the Swan, and the author gives one

>character an interesting line, something like, " there's nothing wrong with

>being cynical, you just have to know where to stop "      like the idea,

>gotta stop before the emotions start to move too far towards an imbalance of

>negative thoughts, and hostility towards those we disagree with

>

>:)

>

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><EBbrewpunx

><vegan-network >

>Tuesday, June 18, 2002 8:39 PM

>Re: [100% veg*n ] Re: prisons versus hospitals

>

>

>> In a message dated 6/18/02 4:49:38 PM Pacific Daylight Time,

>> resppect writes:

>> > Yes! it's great to know the positive news, as well.

>> > I remember another news you posted a while back about the CA school that

>> > was

>> > voting to include (or switch) their cafeteria food to organic

>>

>>

>> egads..its bad when ya got me bein' the positive one!!!

>> things are worse off then we thought!!!

>> *runs fer the hills*

>> oh, wait..uranium mines, shale oil extracting, acid rain..

>> ummmmm

>> *runs fer islands*

>> umm..global warming, rising ocean waters, coral reefs dying, over fishing,

>> toxic waste dumping...

>> oh....i'll just sit here in the city and calmly watch " survivor " and be a

>> good sheep..

>> bah

>> fraggle

>>

>>

>>

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