ok, another controversial post

[Guest guest]

ok, i in no bleedin way want to get into the whole cohen/ et al fight..

i admit cohen has some good points and makes valid arguments, but he has severe

issues in my opinion, wotever..that is not why am i posting this

i just thought it was a good point and i think folks get tooo wrapped up in

vitamins and all that sort...

besides b12(and i'm still not convinced we can't get it vegan) wot the heck do

we need pills for??

just my opnion, and i'd like to hear others opinions

as fer his claims about walsh and all, wotever, i take em with a grain of salt,

he has flung accusations before..i'll wait and find out fer meself

like i said, this is just fer info and a topic

cheers

fraggle

 

 

The members of a doomed flock of sheep being led

to slaughter know no better than to obediently

obey the mandate of their leader.

 

There is no individual plan within the mass deathwalk.

Just an innate species-specific wish to belong

to a crowd and be one with the movement.

 

They walk to their deaths in a long straight line,

up a ramp, obedient to the nose following tail,

following rump following head, each ass

leading each unthinking brain, which

delivers that group to their demise by a

well-honed executioner's blade.

 

What manner of sheep do I describe? Which of the

lambs and ewes march single file to their own

betrayal, ignoring their fate, the warning

signs of their screaming brothers and sisters?

The rancid bouquet of death permeates the air.

Do the sheep trust their own instincts and smell

something rotten and act by resisting? Not

at all. The message is sacrificed for the comfort

of togetherness.

 

Who is that cheviot leading all to slaughter?

What Welsh Hill speckled-face ram instructs others

to obey?

 

There is a sub-movement within the vegetarian and

vegan movement that becomes uglier each day.

There is a betrayal of sorts, and an intentional

method of deceit spreads from one vegetarian to

another. The message is this:

 

It is unhealthy to be a vegan. It is unhealthy

to be a vegetarian. If you are a vegetarian or

vegan and do not take artificial supplements

produced in factories by pharmaceutical companies,

you will not be as healthy as a meat eater.

 

The underlying theme of the message is this:

 

Vegetarianism and veganism are dietary philosophies

which cannot stand on their own. One cannot

eat just fruits of the vine, vegetables from the

ground, grains, and beans, nuts and seeds and remain

whole. One must eat animals or animal byproducts to

remain healthy.

 

This is the message of the leader sheep. The wolves

wearing sheep's clothing who lead and betray those

willing to sacrice their own brains and follow

blindly by swallowing that message of deceit.

 

VEGNEWS

 

There is a wonderful vegetarian newspaper called

VegNews. I am a r, and adore each issue.

The June edition contains magnificent information,

and entertaining columns about all things vegan.

(to call: 415-665-6397 or contact

Joe and Colleen online: subscription )

 

The June issue of VegNews contains one article

that I call the " black sheep " of all articles.

The deception is delivered by a man named

Jack Norris. Mr. Norris heads an organization

known as Vegan Action.

 

Norris recently attended a nutritional conference

in Loma Linda, California. I knew about that

conference last year, and submitted a request to

present information. I was ignored. Norris writes:

 

" I was disappointed that many popular vegan

advocates who speak and write on health issues

were not in attendance. It would be worthwhile

to get both researchers and advocates on the

same page... "

 

Sadly, they are on the same page, and the paper

and ink for that page may very well be paid for

by the meat, milk, and pharmaceutical industries.

 

Morris delivers this message to vegans and vegetarians:

 

" Dr. Synnove Knutsen (Loma Linda University)

presented findings from the Adventist Health

Study looking at hip fractures in vegetarians

and meat-eaters. They found that the more animal

foods someone ate, the less likely they were to

have a hip fracture. "

 

Morris struck again:

 

" Dr. David DeRose made a presentation underlining

the need for vegans to supplement with vitamin B-12... "

 

Morris continues:

 

" Dr. Zoue Lloyd-Wright presented findings from

the Oxford section of the EPIC-Oxford study

on omega-3 levels of vegans and omnivores.

They found that omnivores had higher levels of

all omega-3 fatty acids. "

 

Morris then presents additional disinformation,

presented so beautifully that who would suspect

that it is not true:

 

" Hal Marlow (Loma Linda University) compared

the pesticide use required for various diets

in the state of California. Surprisingly, he

found that a vegetarian diet was associated

with more pesticides. "

 

With friends like Norris, who needs enemas?

Perhaps the entire movement needs a massive

colon-cleansing.

 

Where did the desire to destroy a movement begin?

Pharmaceutical companies have billions of dollars

to invest. They do so through television and

print ads. They do so by donating money to

politicians. They do so by financing phony and biased

studies. Do any of the sheep among us doubt that

they nurture industry spokespersons to deliver their

unhealthy messages? Does anybody doubt that some of

their more successful spokespersons fool some of

the people some of the time and become beloved

speakers for the movement?

 

One man named Steve Walsh has accomplished the

impossible. He has deceived the owner of the

most widely-read vegetarian website on the World

Wide Web. Walsh is now presented as a learned man

of medicine. Walsh has a Ph.D in computer science,

but he is not a doctor in the way that he is being

portrayed. He is now referred to as Dr. Walsh,

nutritional expert.

 

Walsh pretends to be vegan, but defends the use of

dairy products. One need only read his articles

to see the deceitful rhetoric.

 

Who is Steve Walsh? Walsh is employed by one of the

largest pharmaceutical companies in Europe. Careful

research has demonstrated that his employer, ICI, is

one of the largest processors of milk protein, casein.

ICI also works closely with Monsanto, creating designer

additives that work with Roundup, the poison that kills

all plants save those that have been created through

genetic engineering.

 

ASK YOURSLF THIS:

 

With so many billions of dollars at stake, would a

multi-national pharmaceutical conglomerate allow an

employee to become as visible as Mr. Walsh has become?

Walsh does so with his company's blessing. That is because

he has successfully infiltrated the vegetarian movement.

Step one is to destroy what men of conscience say. Step

two is to intimidate all other men of conscience into

becomming lambs. Walsh has found a welcome home in

America's vegetarian movement. Those in the know keep

their thoughts private. The silence of the lambs.

 

Walsh has been critical of everything I say and do.

That criticism began one year ago, when he stalked my

family and myself through a Great Britain lecture tour.

Night after night, Walsh followed me to lectures,

upsetting each talk by screaming " Cohen is a liar. "

The first time, I carefully addressed his concern.

The second time, he brought up the same issue, and I

realized that he was there to disrupt and not seek truth.

 

There is an infection in the movement. Walsh is the

infiltrator. He infects all with his worm-like virus.

 

If veganism does not work, then it is time for

all of us to eat animals. Vitamin B-12 comes

from animals. The insides of intestines from

slaughtered animal are scraped of their feces

so that the vitamin B-12 so contained can be added

to supplements that work only to add cash flow to

those who manufacture and dispense same. Nelson and

Walsh and Norris and men and women like them would

have you eat feces in the name of good nutrition.

 

One of the great vegetarian nurtitionists,

George Eisman, calls B-12 the least important

on his list of 50,000 vitamins and enzymes.

 

Those practitioners who test for B-12 do so by

drawing blood. B-12 can be stored in the human body

for 5 years, and it's not stored in the blood.

Man's tests are often deceptive, but they do

produce cash flow for those doing the testing, and

those manufacturing the supplements.

 

Do not be one of the sheep.

 

Jack Norris is co-founder and director of Vegan

Outreach, an organization whose original mission

was to promote a vegan lifestyle in order to

promote animal suffering. A recent vegan outreach

newsletter contained information that was originally

written by the vegetarian movement's great infiltrator,

Steve Walsh. That information was filled with hatred

and attacked an individual for his criticism of

a pro-milk article that claimed that drinking milk

prevented breast cancer. I was the one being

attacked, for my passion to criticize the dairy

industry. Did the Norris organization help animals

in attacking me, or did they help those

who abuse animals?

 

There is not a conspiracy here. Just a few sheep

leading the other obedient ovines to slaughter.

 

Do not be one of those sheep. The next time a vegan

speaker tells you that you need Vitamin B-12

or calcium pills, or claims that being a vegan

is unhealthy unless you take animal-based

supplements, give that person your most

passionate " baaaaa, humbug. "

 

Robert Cohen

http://www.notmilk.com

[Guest guest]

>I have to have B12 jabs bi monthly. Though I love marmite etc. which

>are B12 rich I also have a food sensitivity to yeast!

 

The B12 supplement I've recently started taking gives 1000 times the daily

requirement and has a nice cherry flavour. I take one a week or so. cheap

too... for those who have had their fill of marmite et al or have food

sensitivities.

 

I think it's Solgar, comes in the gold-labelled brown bottle, like all their

other stuff. About £8 for 100 - which by my estimates should be more than a

lifetime's supply!

 

Ash

 

 

 

 

 

 

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