Guest guest Posted July 2, 2002 Report Share Posted July 2, 2002 Rosanne, first time I read of your chemo.... just wondering if you're heard lots about the benefits of sprouting.... great way to cleanse your body while getting the nutrients you need... Jon - " rzanuk " <rzanuk <vegan-network > Monday, July 01, 2002 9:57 PM [100% veg*n ] Soy milk > Nice to know that not all the other vegans are mere kiddiwinks! At > least not unless you went vegan very very young. > > Will try Plamil. Plamil don't have such convincing stuff about > processing methods on their web site as Edensoy. I know I'm a real > fusspot but I hardly eat any processed food and would like to find > suppliers for the processed food I do eat who pay as much attention > to slow natural mehtods, inert containers etc as Edensoy. I was > really impressed with stuff on their site but Plamil do seem to have a > good name. > > Will be an awkard bugger and email them re processing methods. > > I eat kelp in my soup but from what others have been saying it only > contains B12 analogues. I also eat my marmite. I had bad nerve damage > from chemo, really scary stuff with totally numb hands and feet, but > megadoses of B6 more or less sorted that. I'm hoping B12 will clear > up the lingering problems. > > Thanks for the suggestion. > > Rosanne > > > > plamil soya milk contains B12; www.plamilfoods.co.uk they are a > vegan > > company. > > i must say that when i first became vegan, some 35yrs. ago, i did > suffer > > from what i can only describe as involuntary tremor in my hands, it > cured > > itself when i unfortunately reverted to being veggie for a few > years (i'd > > never heard of B12 and that could have been the reason) i don't > take any > > supplements other than a sprinkling of kelp on my breakfast, think > this > > contains B12. > > > > vernon. > > > > To to the Digest Mode [ recommended ], send an email to: vegan-network-digest > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 2, 2002 Report Share Posted July 2, 2002 Jon, Vaugely aware that they're good for me. Heard broccoli sprouts were the magic bullet but price of tiny seed pack was crippling so didn't try them. Is it any sort of sprouts? Had fenugreek sprouts once which were delicous, are they any good? Was vegetarian, got breast cancer 2 years ago, did research on causes, went vegan. Love it. Not just on health grounds but ethically as well. Wish I'd done it years ago. During chemo you get regular blood tests. With first bout, as veggie, tests were good. Finished treatment and cancer came straight back. Had to start all over again. They were quite concerned as to whether I could physically take a second heavy chemo straight after the first. Went vegan. From then on blood tests were astoundingly good. Way way better than normal healthy woman - caused amazement as they should have been really poor. Never went off food and no nausea at all. Nurses wanted to know what on earth I was doing to stay so strong!! They're now telling others to try it. Plus a book by Jane Plant, Your Life in Your Hands is sending BC victims vegan in droves. It's the hot topic in bc circles. I've started a bc group to try to help other women with bc campaign on causes and go vegan so all helpful advice gratefully received. I've still got problems with lingering nerve damage, psoriatic arthritis caused by chemo etc but cancer seems to be clear. Don't think I'd be here today if I hadn't gone vegan. Rosanne > > first time I read of your chemo.... just wondering if you're heard lots > about the benefits of sprouting.... great way to cleanse your body while > getting the nutrients you need... > > Jon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 3, 2002 Report Share Posted July 3, 2002 Rosanne, That's incredible how good your blood tests were, and that the nurses are recommending vegan to others. I've read lots on the benefits, but hearing your personal experience solidifies it more. I alwasy did wonder about the miracle stories about veganism... now I know it can happen. I'm real interested to know more about your specific diet, if you'd care to share. On sprouts, i've read a bit, but I haven't found any scientific writings on it yet. Steve " the sproutman " has excellent books (sprouts: the miricle food) on the how-to of sprouting, everything you need to know to start. He got into sprouting when he was extremely ill and it renewed his health. I try to track down the exact benefits of sprouts. Sprouting greatly reduces the 'anti-enzymes' in seeds and grains. Since we use enzymes to digest our food (and since our bodies will only produce as many enzymes as are needed), we can digest food much easier when there are less anti-enzymes. Sprouting also increases some nutrients, like vitamin C, as well as increasing the amount of food of the oringinal seen/bean/grain, which is extremely fresh and full of nutrients. Since sprouts have all the nutrition of seeds/grains/beans they can give us all the nutrition we need (except B12), and since they can be grown at home from organic seeds, we're assured that they are extremely fresh and clean, and very cheap for the amount of food they make. except for broccoli yeah, I've been interested in them, but i won't buy them unless I get lots of extra money from somewhere lol I get my seeds from sprouthouse.com since I get them in 5 lb bags to save on packaging a bit of $ - be sure to get organic seeds, since regular seeds might not be fit for sprouting (they can have stuff sprayed on them) I got my sprouters from sproutamo.com they sprout the seeds/beans/grains faster than other cheap methods, only require 2 steps, and sprout them evenly with good airflow. No electricity needed, and the next better sprouters cost lots more. http://www.sproutpeople.com/devices/index.html (a good listing of all the different types of sprouters) these guys have so much info on sprouting, but the book I mentioned earlier is a must have http://www.sproutpeople.com/ The best thing I can say for vegan nutrition is ... Becoming Vegan by Davis and Millina. I recommend against Gill Langley's Vegan Nutrition, as it has some important errors, like suggesting rice can supply complete protein. Klaper's Vegan Nutrition is good and basic, but David & Millinas in complete and answers covers almost everything. I have some other details on it http://www.geocities.com/holist2002/PlantFoodNutrition.html Jon - " rzanuk " <rzanuk <vegan-network > Tuesday, July 02, 2002 5:53 PM Re: [100% veg*n ] Soy milk > Jon, > > Vaugely aware that they're good for me. Heard broccoli sprouts were > the magic bullet but price of tiny seed pack was crippling so didn't > try them. Is it any sort of sprouts? Had fenugreek sprouts once which > were delicous, are they any good? > > Was vegetarian, got breast cancer 2 years ago, did research on > causes, went vegan. Love it. Not just on health grounds but ethically > as well. Wish I'd done it years ago. > > During chemo you get regular blood tests. With first bout, as veggie, > tests were good. Finished treatment and cancer came straight back. > Had to start all over again. They were quite concerned as to whether > I could physically take a second heavy chemo straight after the > first. > Went vegan. From then on blood tests were astoundingly good. Way way > better than normal healthy woman - caused amazement as they should > have been really poor. Never went off food and no nausea at all. > > Nurses wanted to know what on earth I was doing to stay so strong!! > They're now telling others to try it. Plus a book by Jane Plant, Your > Life in Your Hands is sending BC victims vegan in droves. It's the > hot topic in bc circles. I've started a bc group to try to help other > women with bc campaign on causes and go vegan so all helpful advice > gratefully received. > > I've still got problems with lingering nerve damage, psoriatic > arthritis caused by chemo etc but cancer seems to be clear. Don't > think > I'd be here today if I hadn't gone vegan. > > Rosanne > > > > > > > > first time I read of your chemo.... just wondering if you're heard > lots > > about the benefits of sprouting.... great way to cleanse your body > while > > getting the nutrients you need... > > > > Jon > > > > To to the Digest Mode [ recommended ], send an email to: vegan-network-digest > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 4, 2002 Report Share Posted July 4, 2002 Ta for sprouts info Jon. Will experiment. If you know how much I ramble you'd never ask a question like what's your diet. Perhaps if I tried smaller type...? I wouldn't go as far as saying the nurses are recommending vegan - they'd probably get sacked. But they do tell chemo patients to try dairy free and soy milk and to eat loads of veg rather than anything else. The nurses dealing with breast cancer are all worried about getting it themselves and several i dealt with are trying a high veg, dairy free soy diet.All health pros very supportive, getting me vegan tablets on NHS, crap but vegan food and soy in hospital etc. Not one hint of criticism ever. Just genuine interest. One nurse suggested I come back in and talk to others on chemo re food. I was really impressed but my cancer clinic has twice the survival rate of some other clinics, probably still less than other countries. The Bristol Center, who are pretty influential in the UK, now recommend a vegan diet as well, but seem to avoid the v. word. http://www.bristolcancerhelp.org/nutrition.htm Fresh vegetable juice, especially carrot, is highly recommended for fighting cancer but I didn't like it and found it wasteful, messy and hard work. My diet was varied but the essential element was huge bowls of super nutrition soup which tasted fantastic and packed in as many high powered veg as possible. I felt like a vegetable processing plant at times. I still eat vast quantiites of it and everybody I give it to loves it. A choice of red yellow orange and dark green veg in a pan with onion, lots of garlic, carrots, celery, sometimes kombu seaweed, and a little water. The stronger the colours the better. Sometimes nettles (really good for you and free!). Simmered and processed to make a really thick stock, inluding the seaweed. No non stick or aluminium pans. No initial frying of onions. Plus choice of flavourings such as fresh ginger, turmeric, chilli, shitake mushrooms, fresh herbs (lots, especially parsley) , spices, vegan stock cubes, tamari, horse radish, miso, umboshi, lemon slices including peel, wild garlic. I tried to pick flavourings that were highly recommended in old wives tales, alternative medicine and modern theories for fighting cancer. No tinned stuff. Frozen stuff when stuck or broke. Organic when I could afford it but always organic carrots. Then still more veg very finely sliced and cooked as lightly as possible, especially dark green leaves just wilted (kale, parsley, spinach etc) plus yet more carrots. Sometimes beetroot.No potatoes or carbohydrate or fillers on the basis that I could only eat so much and I needed the max of super nutrient veg.. To try to get some protein but still keep to fresh veg I added sweetcorn, broad beans, garden beans and peas. Eaten in vast quantities with a bit of good stoneground organic bread with marmite or umboshi paste, dripping with a good oily tahini. That was lunch, dinner was sometimes the same but chunkier. I had fresh nuts, fruit, lots of flax and other seeds for snacks. Just worked on the theory that absolutely nothing should pass my lips unless it was a fresh super nutrient of some sort. I thought about raw food but you could never get through such vast quanities. Now I see reports that lightly cooked carrots are more effective than raw carrots. Smug grin! I hated that bloody carrot juice and was really worried about not drinking the recommended pints of the stuff! Plus plenty of red wine! Sadly none tonight. I get rationed by partner who thinks I'm an incipient alchoholic and doesn't drink at all. Hey (lightbulb snaps on) I wonder if beetroot wine would work - super nutrient wine sounds a great idea. And I swear that jar of marmite still hasn't moved. Rosanne > That's incredible how good your blood tests were, and that the nurses are > recommending vegan to others. I've read lots on the benefits, but hearing > your personal experience solidifies it more. I alwasy did wonder about the > miracle stories about veganism... now I know it can happen. I'm real > interested to know more about your specific diet, if you'd care to share. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 4, 2002 Report Share Posted July 4, 2002 >Hey (lightbulb snaps on) I wonder if beetroot wine would work - >super nutrient wine sounds a great idea. > My dad is making beetroot wine at the moment, I think. He says the parsley wine he's just bottled is pretty good too, though I'm going to try it before I make up my mind (he likes sarsparilla - yeugh!) _______________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 4, 2002 Report Share Posted July 4, 2002 Thanks, I loved all the info on sprouting Deffinately going to give it a go now. Main thing is for me, lots of crunchy food for very few calories, and I'm always hungry and fighting the fat. Love Shell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 4, 2002 Report Share Posted July 4, 2002 Hi Rosanne, Thanks, your post was very interesting, and I'm glad it is working for you. A little while ago, I read a book called " how not to get cancer " , sorry, forgotten the author. I wrote down all the main points though and try to stick to it. It reccommended a vegan diet, and said that you should eat as many different coloured veg in a day as possible and at least one food from each strong colour list. Also, though I can't remember why, it said that termeric was a great spice to eat, so I buy quite a lot and put it in everything. It was a fabulous book and really explained everything brilliantly to the uninformed. I remember it said that mixed berries and the seeds eaten with the water mellon were particularly protective and a raw carrot a day was great for the lung area. One cruciform veg a day, can't remember all the veg that fitted into this catagory, but I like colly, brocoli and brussels, so stick to those. I smoked from the age of nine, quite heavily after my teens and, although I gave up ten years ago, my breathing still feels spungy sometimes and wheases, so trying to make up for it now and undo what dammage I may have done. So, glad to read your post and will study it for more ideas. Love Shell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 4, 2002 Report Share Posted July 4, 2002 you can make wine out of just about any fruit er vegetable imaginable..tho, i imagine celery wine would be pretty nasty and hard to ferment correctly(palatably) http://winemaking.jackkeller.net/reques29.asp fraggle " Emily Howarth " <dropscone wrote: > > >>Hey (lightbulb snaps on) I wonder if beetroot wine would work - >>super nutrient wine sounds a great idea. >> > >My dad is making beetroot wine at the moment, I think. He says the parsley >wine he's just bottled is pretty good too, though I'm going to try it before >I make up my mind (he likes sarsparilla - yeugh!) > >_______________ >Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. >http://www.hotmail.com > > > >To to the Digest Mode [ recommended ], send an email to: vegan-network-digest > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 5, 2002 Report Share Posted July 5, 2002 Thanks for all the info on food, Rosanne. naa, as long as the content is good- you could never type too much! Just thought I'd mention my other favorite food (aside from Edensoy Extra)... Healthy Hemp Bread http://www.frenchmeadow.com/products.htm (second bread on the list) all organic, non-GMO, some are sprouted, no phytic acid. the only baddie is that it gets cooked. Jon - " rzanuk " <rzanuk <vegan-network > Wednesday, July 03, 2002 8:46 PM Re: [100% veg*n ] Soy milk > Ta for sprouts info Jon. Will experiment. If you know how much I > ramble you'd never ask a question like what's your diet. Perhaps if I > tried smaller type...? > > I wouldn't go as far as saying the nurses are recommending vegan - > they'd probably get sacked. But they do tell chemo patients to try > dairy free and soy milk and to eat loads of veg rather than anything > else. The nurses dealing with breast cancer are all worried about > getting it themselves and several i dealt with are trying a high veg, > dairy free soy diet.All health pros very supportive, getting me vegan > tablets on NHS, crap but vegan food and soy in hospital etc. Not one > hint of criticism ever. Just genuine interest. One nurse suggested I > come back in and talk to others on chemo re food. I was really > impressed but my cancer clinic has twice the survival rate of some > other clinics, probably still less than other countries. > > The Bristol Center, who are pretty influential in the UK, now > recommend a vegan diet as well, but seem to avoid the v. word. > http://www.bristolcancerhelp.org/nutrition.htm > > Fresh vegetable juice, especially carrot, is highly recommended for > fighting cancer but I didn't like it and found it wasteful, messy and > hard work. > > My diet was varied but the essential element was huge bowls of super > nutrition soup which tasted fantastic and packed in as many high > powered veg as possible. I felt like a vegetable processing plant at > times. I still eat vast quantiites of it and everybody I give it to > loves it. > > A choice of red yellow orange and dark green veg in a pan with onion, > lots of garlic, carrots, celery, sometimes kombu seaweed, and a > little water. The stronger the colours the better. Sometimes nettles > (really good for you and free!). Simmered and processed to make a > really thick stock, inluding the seaweed. No non stick or aluminium > pans. No initial frying of onions. > > Plus choice of flavourings such as fresh ginger, turmeric, chilli, > shitake mushrooms, fresh herbs (lots, especially parsley) , spices, > vegan stock cubes, tamari, horse radish, miso, umboshi, lemon slices > including peel, wild garlic. I tried to pick flavourings that were > highly recommended in old wives tales, alternative medicine and > modern theories for fighting cancer. No tinned stuff. Frozen stuff > when stuck or broke. Organic when I could afford it but always organic > carrots. > > Then still more veg very finely sliced and cooked as lightly as > possible, especially dark green leaves just wilted (kale, parsley, > spinach etc) plus yet more carrots. Sometimes beetroot.No potatoes or > carbohydrate or fillers on the basis that I could only eat so much > and I needed the max of super nutrient veg.. > > To try to get some protein but still keep to fresh veg I added > sweetcorn, broad beans, garden beans and peas. Eaten in vast > quantities with a bit of good stoneground organic bread with marmite > or > umboshi paste, dripping with a good oily tahini. That was lunch, > dinner was sometimes the same but chunkier. > > I had fresh nuts, fruit, lots of flax and other seeds for snacks. > Just worked on the theory that absolutely nothing should pass my lips > unless it was a fresh super nutrient of some sort. I thought about > raw food but you could never get through such vast quanities. Now I > see > reports that lightly cooked carrots are more effective than raw > carrots. Smug grin! I hated that bloody carrot juice and was really > worried about not drinking the recommended pints of the stuff! > > Plus plenty of red wine! Sadly none tonight. I get rationed by > partner who thinks I'm an incipient alchoholic and doesn't drink at > all. Hey (lightbulb snaps on) I wonder if beetroot wine would work - > super nutrient wine sounds a great idea. > > And I swear that jar of marmite still hasn't moved. > > Rosanne > > > > That's incredible how good your blood tests were, and that the > nurses are > > recommending vegan to others. I've read lots on the benefits, but > hearing > > your personal experience solidifies it more. I alwasy did wonder > about the > > miracle stories about veganism... now I know it can happen. I'm > real > > interested to know more about your specific diet, if you'd care to > share. > > > > > > To to the Digest Mode [ recommended ], send an email to: vegan-network-digest > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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