Guest guest Posted July 10, 2002 Report Share Posted July 10, 2002 Someone who is kind and has integrity wouldn't want to kill and eat other beings especially if his wife was a vegan. I'm not with the police- just a citizen who can't understand how a vegan can love a non-vegan and still have integrity. - Peter Browning vegan-network Tuesday, July 09, 2002 6:33 PM [100% veg*n ] Re: marrying meat eaters How could you love a person.... well, it'd be easy enough to love perfect people wouldn't it? But I've never met one yet. My meat eating husband is kind and has integrity. I wish every vegan that I'd met was as kind. But as he cooks and eats many vegan meals with me, has vegan marge, cereals, bread etc, I suppose in Karmic terms he's about equal to a vegetarian. If I lived alone and he did too, I expect he'd eat no vegan meals and therefore more animals would be on his plate. Also I loved my meat eating mum and dad, brother, aunt, uncle, friend, ex husband. They all became vegetarians in time. And I love the three life vegetarian kids that have been born to them. I wonder if they'd've become vegetarian if I'd had the attitude that they were unlovable in their meaty state? Yes, I've been attacked by the vegan police several times. I've been vegan since 1978 and I find that most of the vegan police have been vegan for five years or less. Luckily, all the 3D vegans that I know who've been vegan for many years are totally sane and compassionate, because I'd be embarrassed to call myself a vegan otherwise. Rant over, back to lurking now... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 2002 Report Share Posted July 10, 2002 - " Peter Browning " <Peter.Browning1 <vegan-network > Tuesday, July 09, 2002 6:33 PM [100% veg*n ] Re: marrying meat eaters > How could you love a person.... > well, it'd be easy enough to love perfect people wouldn't it? But I've never met one yet. My meat eating husband is kind and has integrity. I wish every vegan that I'd met was as kind. But as he cooks and eats many vegan meals with me, has vegan marge, cereals, bread etc, I suppose in Karmic terms he's about equal to a vegetarian. If I lived alone and he did too, I expect he'd eat no vegan meals and therefore more animals would be on his plate. > Also I loved my meat eating mum and dad, brother, aunt, uncle, friend, ex husband. They all became vegetarians in time. And I love the three life vegetarian kids that have been born to them. I wonder if they'd've become vegetarian if I'd had the attitude that they were unlovable in their meaty state? > Yes, I've been attacked by the vegan police several times. I've been vegan since 1978 and I find that most of the vegan police have been vegan for five years or less. Luckily, all the 3D vegans that I know who've been vegan for many years are totally sane and compassionate, because I'd be embarrassed to call myself a vegan otherwise. Rant over, back to lurking now... not so fast with the lurking what's a 3D vegan? I am very glad that I received only support, and no malice when I was a non-vegan. Even now, some off-the-grid people could nail me big for my car-use and other baddies. maybe it's a matter of making things better than they'd otherwise be ?? Jon > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 2002 Report Share Posted July 10, 2002 If anyone gave you support, or gave you understanding when you weren't vegan, then I would say they had integrity If a person has reduced their animal food consuption, like this guy has doen, then that's a good thing, and supporting him through the changes is good as well. I must say the emotive words like integrity, ethical, right, are going to muddy up the understanding since they're more judgements than specific measurements or descriptions. These words have the illusion of having a set meaning, when they are actually only decided by culture, their relationship to a system such as laws, or in relation to what we prefer (usually based on our feelings) I think I could be intimate with anyone as long as they valued gearetr quality of life for all. As long as they value this, they will be moving towards what I admire Jon - " kiwi2000 " <kiwi2000 <vegan-network > Tuesday, July 09, 2002 8:12 PM Re: [100% veg*n ] Re: marrying meat eaters > Someone who is kind and has integrity wouldn't want to kill and eat other beings especially if his wife was a vegan. > I'm not with the police- just a citizen who can't understand > how a vegan can love a non-vegan and still have integrity. > - > Peter Browning > vegan-network > Tuesday, July 09, 2002 6:33 PM > [100% veg*n ] Re: marrying meat eaters > > > How could you love a person.... > well, it'd be easy enough to love perfect people wouldn't it? But I've never met one yet. My meat eating husband is kind and has integrity. I wish every vegan that I'd met was as kind. But as he cooks and eats many vegan meals with me, has vegan marge, cereals, bread etc, I suppose in Karmic terms he's about equal to a vegetarian. If I lived alone and he did too, I expect he'd eat no vegan meals and therefore more animals would be on his plate. > Also I loved my meat eating mum and dad, brother, aunt, uncle, friend, ex husband. They all became vegetarians in time. And I love the three life vegetarian kids that have been born to them. I wonder if they'd've become vegetarian if I'd had the attitude that they were unlovable in their meaty state? > Yes, I've been attacked by the vegan police several times. I've been vegan since 1978 and I find that most of the vegan police have been vegan for five years or less. Luckily, all the 3D vegans that I know who've been vegan for many years are totally sane and compassionate, because I'd be embarrassed to call myself a vegan otherwise. Rant over, back to lurking now... > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 2002 Report Share Posted July 10, 2002 Jon, This is where I have a problem. I couldn't be intimate with someone who didn't appreciate why it's wrong to kill animals for food. I'd feel that I was opening myself to a lower vibration that would taint me on some deep level. Brad I think I could be intimate with anyone as long as they valued gearetr quality of life for all. As long as they value this, they will be moving towards what I admire Jon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 2002 Report Share Posted July 10, 2002 Brad, if the person wouldn't evolve in that way, then it wouldn't fit what I think of as a value on quality of life. I feel the same, I can appreciate people, but if I was going to have a soul partner who was very close to me, they'd have to be able to understand my deepest thoughts and feelings... and these feelings are among the most important. Even now, I can't talk about these feelings much with my family and it gets in the way of communication quite a bit and hey, you better give me some urls! justkidding, but sure like to see any you think are very useful Jon - " kiwi2000 " <kiwi2000 <vegan-network > Tuesday, July 09, 2002 11:37 PM Re: [100% veg*n ] Re: marrying meat eaters > Jon, > > This is where I have a problem. I couldn't be intimate with someone who didn't appreciate why it's wrong to kill animals > for food. I'd feel that I was opening myself to a lower vibration that would taint me on some deep level. > Brad > I think I could be intimate with anyone as long as they valued gearetr > quality of life for all. As long as they value this, they will be moving > towards what I admire > Jon > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 2002 Report Share Posted July 10, 2002 Jon, I don't as a rule collect URLs but I found one that looks good but haven't checked it out much yet- http://www.vegnews.org . There's also a http://www.vegnews.com which is under construction now but I mention it because it represents a wonderful vegan monthly newspaper which started in Santa Cruz, California (an incredibly beautiful place where I lived for a time in the ancient redwood forests on the coast in northern Cal.) which has since moved to San Francisco. Subscriptions are $20/yr. and well worth it. I cut this from the website: North America's Monthly Vegetarian Newspaper is now reaching 100,000 readers every issue. Not to be missed are interviews, articles, event listings, restaurant reviews, society pages, recipes, travel tales, dining & lifestyle guides, cookbook reviews, and the best in vegan products and services. Subscriptions are $20/year and can be purchased by emailing subscriptions. To request our ad rates, please email us at advertising. Let's create a better planet for everyone ... we look forward to hearing from you! If you e-mail them your mailing address to subscriptions you can ask for a free copy to check it out. It's the best vegan paper I've seen. Definitely a valuable node for vegan networking. I do my searching for things on http://www.google.com which is a good search site, rather than collect URLs. Cheers, Brad - resppect vegan-network Wednesday, July 10, 2002 2:06 AM Re: [100% veg*n ] Re: marrying meat eaters Brad, if the person wouldn't evolve in that way, then it wouldn't fit what I think of as a value on quality of life. I feel the same, I can appreciate people, but if I was going to have a soul partner who was very close to me, they'd have to be able to understand my deepest thoughts and feelings... and these feelings are among the most important. Even now, I can't talk about these feelings much with my family and it gets in the way of communication quite a bit and hey, you better give me some urls! justkidding, but sure like to see any you think are very useful Jon - " kiwi2000 " <kiwi2000 <vegan-network > Tuesday, July 09, 2002 11:37 PM Re: [100% veg*n ] Re: marrying meat eaters > Jon, > > This is where I have a problem. I couldn't be intimate with someone who didn't appreciate why it's wrong to kill animals > for food. I'd feel that I was opening myself to a lower vibration that would taint me on some deep level. > Brad > I think I could be intimate with anyone as long as they valued gearetr > quality of life for all. As long as they value this, they will be moving > towards what I admire > Jon > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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