[100% veg*n ] Confessions of a teenage meat eater

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Why did that sound like hell for you? You prefer animal eaters and

smokers over non-smoking vegans do you? You would not have been

invited unless you were a vegan and a non-smoker presumably. Which

community was that anyway? Is it still in existence do you know?

Sounds OK to me! Does it include families? Or was this before you had

a family?

Anyway to be like family, I mean like extended family, really close

friends and neighbours, not necessarily living under the same roof.

We would love some friendly vegans in the next few streets, that

would be my ideal type of vegan community situation, not totally

living on top of one another, sort of the middle ground, not isolated

and not oppressively in one another's faces either. How does that

sound to you?

 

Lesley

 

vegan-network, " quercusrobur2002 " <grahamburnett@b...>

wrote:

> I have to say that I was once invited to join a non-smoking vegan

> community... I'm afraid it sounded like my personal vision of

hell :-

> )

>

>

> >

> > What is wrong with vegans being as substitute family to one

> another

> > anyway?

> >

> > If we work on building strong bonds between vegans, then we don't

> > have to deal so much with biological family where we have little

> > common ground.

> >

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Garth,

what you see is not hate, it's rage against the killing. My

parents are dead. I did not hate them. I accepted them as they were,

non-vegans. I don't have much to do with my extended family I guess partially,

though not totally, because they are non-vegans, and into

mostly mainstream bullshit. I don't hate people. I hate killing.

Brad

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Gareth Pashley

'vegan-network '

Thursday, July 11, 2002 4:30 AM

RE: [100% veg*n ] Re: Confessions of a teenage meat eater

 

 

I was just wondering Brad...are all of your family vegan or do you treat

them with the same amount of hate that you reserve for the rest of the

world's meat-eaters/non-vegans. If they are vegan you are very lucky to have

been brought up in such an environment but may have different experiences

than most of us have had and not had to deal with the same issues. If they

aren't vegan have you cut yourself off from them??

 

 

 

 

 

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Bless You!

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irene_lucy

vegan-network

Thursday, July 11, 2002 5:55 AM

[100% veg*n ] Re: Confessions of a teenage meat eater

 

 

 

I mostly agree with Brad about how I feel about animal eaters.

 

And I just have to say this.

 

What is wrong with vegans being as substitute family to one another

anyway?

 

If we work on building strong bonds between vegans, then we don't

have to deal so much with biological family where we have little

common ground.

 

Now who will be my kids' ungodparents and raise them vegan if hubby

and I die? I want vegans to do that, not biological family who are

omnis.

 

What is family anyway? It should be possible for it to be who you

choose! Let's try thinking out of the box a bit here.

 

Lesley

 

(Lesley Dove-free? Pah!)

 

 

vegan-network, Gareth Pashley <gpashley@b...> wrote:

> I was just wondering Brad...are all of your family vegan or do you

treat

> them with the same amount of hate that you reserve for the rest of

the

> world's meat-eaters/non-vegans. If they are vegan you are very

lucky to have

> been brought up in such an environment but may have different

experiences

> than most of us have had and not had to deal with the same issues.

If they

> aren't vegan have you cut yourself off from them??

>

> Gareth Pashley

> Periodicals, Dorset House Library

> Bournemouth University

> gpashley@b...

>

> " Beneath the pavement, the beach "

>

> >

> > kiwi2000 [sMTP:kiwi2000@o...]

> > Thursday, July 11, 2002 7:12 AM

> > vegan-network

> > Re: [100% veg*n ] Re: Confessions of a teenage meat

eater

> >

> > Jon,

> > communication is such a difficult thing. We see through

our

> > distortions not very clearly. I know that using the word Nazi

> > evokes negative vibes. And you're right that the Nazi has hate in

his

> > heart and the meat eater is more or less unconscious.

> > As with any analogy it serves only partially. By saying what I

said, I'm

> > not judging or saying that meat eaters are Nazis.

> > To me murder is murder. If death of the innocent is the ultimate

result

> > does it matter much how the killer felt or why he killed or

> > that he will keep on killing? To me an animals' life is as

precious as a

> > humans' life. That seems to be missing in our discussions here.

> > We get very upset at the killing of a human, but not upset enough

at the

> > killing of an animal. If the animals' family were to take up arms

> > and seek out the murderer of their kin and take revenge, how

differently

> > we would all act. By using the analogy of the Nazi, I'm saying

> > that to take an animal life is just as bad as to take an human

life. It

> > isn't OK in my mind to wait ten years to see if the person I

married

> > will wake up one day, maybe, and stop participating in the murder

(of

> > animals). Just as it wouldn't be OK for someone who married a

Nazi to wait

> > ten years to see if maybe the Nazi will stop killing Jews. Every

day that

> > goes by is another Jew and/or animal killed. Are you saying that

it's OK

> > to let X number of animals die as we wait to see what will

happen, maybe?

> > How many sticks of dynamite will it take to wake people up?

> > If you were the Jew or the animal that was going to be killed

today

> > because the Nazi or meat eater hasn't come to realize that the

killing was

> > wrong, or your wife or your child, or mother, father, brother,

sister,best

> > friend how would it be then to wait that one more day if it meant

your

> > death or theirs? Oh no, we don't want to be impolite or

disrespectful

> > here. God forbid someone should cry out too loudly in the name of

> > senseless, countless slaughter. It might disturb the poor little

> > sensibilities of our fellow members. Sorry all, I

don't have

> > that kind of patience. This is not OK with me! Saying that this

is the way

> > the world is, is no excuse. We are all much too comfortable with

killing.

> >

Brad

> >

> >

> >

 

 

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Why do you say that?

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quercusrobur2002

vegan-network

Thursday, July 11, 2002 6:00 AM

[100% veg*n ] Re: Confessions of a teenage meat eater

 

 

I have to say that I was once invited to join a non-smoking vegan

community... I'm afraid it sounded like my personal vision of hell :-

)

 

 

>

> What is wrong with vegans being as substitute family to one

another

> anyway?

>

> If we work on building strong bonds between vegans, then we don't

> have to deal so much with biological family where we have little

> common ground.

>