[100% veg*n ] Confessions of a teenage meat eater

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I'd prefer a vegan friend I could have a few issues of disagreement

with, over an animal eater any day. No-one agrees on everything after

all!

 

Lesley

 

vegan-network, EBbrewpunx@c... wrote:

>

> sounds a little tooo much like " us and them " to me...

> they are evil meat eaters!!!

> *points finger*

> castigate and ride them out of town!!

> we are all luving good vegans, who even tho we disagree on

everything and anything, are obviously are right about everything

and just want to pet kittens all day

> *confused smirk*

> fraggle

[Guest guest]

From reading what you said about living in a vegan community that expressed such

disdain toward them, it's not a great leap for me to think you hate your fellow

vegans. Did I miss something?

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quercusrobur2002

vegan-network

Thursday, July 11, 2002 10:01 AM

[100% veg*n ] Re: Confessions of a teenage meat eater

 

 

Well I think you only know me from about 2 days worth of posts on

various lists which isn't very well at all is it?

 

vegan-network, kiwi2000 <kiwi2000@o...> wrote:

> maybe I misunderstood but it sounds to me like you do.

> -

> quercusrobur2002

> vegan-network

> Thursday, July 11, 2002 9:18 AM

> [100% veg*n ] Re: Confessions of a teenage meat eater

>

>

> Who hates vegans here?

>

> vegan-network, kiwi2000 <kiwi2000@o...> wrote:

> > I find it strange that we have vegan hating vegans among us.

> > I don't understand that. If you're a vegan and don't like

vegans,

> where does that leave you but totally alone.

>

>

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How did you know about the skeletons in my closet? Was that you I heard mucking

about in there last night?

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Gareth Pashley

'vegan-network '

Thursday, July 11, 2002 10:04 AM

RE: [100% veg*n ] Re: Confessions of a teenage meat eater

 

 

like i said it was the " lets try thinking out of the box a bit here " which

sounded patronising to me

 

The email wasn't aimed specifically at you but also at what some others seem

to be saying re shunning partners/disassociating yourself from the non-vegan

community

.....we all have to start somewhere as i think the majority of us aren't

raised as vegans so we all have our skeletons in the closet....if you will

forgive the pun

 

there seems to be some misunderstandings here and i apologise if i have

upset you....but don't take everything so personally, read around the wider

thread and relate peoples comments to that

 

I would've thought that the situation in London was better than most, what

with the cosmopolitan mix of people.....I don't know any vegans personally

but Bournemouth is a bit retrograde!!

.....but then I don't look to meet vegans specifically, in fact I don't try

to meet anyone specifically....I meet who I meet and make many friends

 

take it easy....

g

 

 

 

 

 

>

> irene_lucy [sMTP:irene.lucy]

> Thursday, July 11, 2002 2:47 PM

> vegan-network

> [100% veg*n ] Re: Confessions of a teenage meat eater

>

>

> Whoa, just a minute, I have not completely disassociated from family,

> just because I would like some vegans close to my family as

> substitute extended family! I was simply expressing what would be MY

> ideal situation! Lots of vegans in each area being like family to one

> another, what could be wrong with that? I never said you HAD to shun

> your non-vegan family, or veggie partner.

> In fact I am personally very happy to link up with vegetarians as

> well as vegans!

>

> I don't see why I am considered by you to be patronising, I would

> think you would be happy that SOME of us appreciate our fellow vegans

> enough to want seriously to be part of a really caring community with

> them, helping out with caring for one another's children and helping

> elderly vegans too.

>

> I would rather help and be helped by vegans than just anyone in my

> life, and yet vegans are so fragmented and disunified where I live,

> that I can't even find a vegan babysitter locally (or a veggie

> babysitter for that matter at the moment)! Maybe that's just the way

> it is in the London area.

>

> You don't have to want to be involved in building help and support

> between vegans if it's not your priority (but I suspect you probably

> are involved in such things), just don't slag off those of us who do

> want to put their fellow vegans as a high priority and care about

> them. It's not about hating anyone, it's about having the type of

> people in your life that you are comfortable with and I am more

> comfortable with those who respect life more than with those who do

> not!

>

> I truly have very little in common with my biological family, I know

> them, you don't, so don't judge me for saying the truth of my life as

> I see it! I have a cousin who is a dairy farmer and my aunt just

> married a man who takes his pals to hare coursing events, so how far

> removed from me is that? Oh and I have had gay friends and my dad is

> a homophobe, so there is another very different attitude I have from

> my family!

>

> I hope I expressed that clearly, I was not attacking you so stop

> attacking me.

>

> Lesley

>

>

 

 

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I like the enema part and the strict rule makes it sound kinky. Was there a

special enema nurse in uniform who administered them? We could probably all use

a good cleaning out anyway.

How about a group enema with many tubes streaming from a giant enema bag?

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EBbrewpunx

vegan-network

Thursday, July 11, 2002 11:22 AM

Re: [100% veg*n ] Re: Confessions of a teenage meat eater

 

 

where did you get that from?? because he didn't want to live with a bunch of

uptight folks??

ah crap, now i'm being dragged into this argument

it seems, to me, that some folks would just want to be friends with vegans,

just they are vegan...people are people, there are asshole vegans as well as

really super dooper sweet awesome vegans...

i use to know this vegan fellow in orange county....he was big into animal

rights, a sorta nice guy..and he was an idiot white power nazi...go figure...

" i luv animals, i just think all mexicans, n*ggers and others should just go

home "

*shakes head*

some folks are just messed up...

just cuz someone is vegan doesn't make em better...we is all people(well,

except me, i'm just a fraggle and exempt..)..

but, graham's description didn't sound like a fun place to live..

i once went to commune out in SoCal...you could stay there fer free, eat yummy

organic veggies, join in their strange tribal drum circle wotchawhozits..and

every sunday you had to have an enema...you had to, it was the rules

no thanx..not into those sorta water sports...thanx anyways...

now, if they had pleather whips, that would have been different..oh wait..did

i say that here..?

ignore me..i'm not here....

cheers

fraggle

 

kiwi2000 <kiwi2000 wrote:

 

>maybe I misunderstood but it sounds to me like you do.

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> quercusrobur2002

> vegan-network

> Thursday, July 11, 2002 9:18 AM

> [100% veg*n ] Re: Confessions of a teenage meat eater

>

>

> Who hates vegans here?

>

 

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Yes there are good and bad people in all groups but only now are you saying

this. Not knowing you

and having read what you said earlier, I would

think that you did hate vegans as a group. As I said

it's not a great leap. If you want to clarify what you said fine but don't put

the hate pin on my chest.

It was there already in your post.

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quercusrobur2002

vegan-network

Thursday, July 11, 2002 1:41 PM

[100% veg*n ] Re: Confessions of a teenage meat eater

 

 

 

> things you said to Brad, I can see why he would think you did not

> like vegans as much as you like your non-vegan chums.

 

people are people, like the fragster says, some vegans are

aresholes, some non-vegans are excelent, wonderful, inspiring people.

 

sorry if Brad interprets that as 'hatred' of vegans, but I'm afraid

that's his problem to take ownership of and deal with, not mine...

 

Cheers Graham :-)

 

 

 

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Could I be your additional vegan husband a la Mormon? I dont' mind sharing. I'll

even look after the kids sometimes. Then maybe we'll all be a little less sad

and lonely.

Brad

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irene_lucy

vegan-network

Thursday, July 11, 2002 1:42 PM

[100% veg*n ] Re: Confessions of a teenage meat eater

 

 

 

Some parts of London might be OK for vegans supporting one another

but Harrow is pretty hopeless. Although I know a few vegans here,

they are useless at actually meeting and forming a proper friendly

group. My husband and I are pretty useless at getting out to much

because we have three young children, but at least I make the effort

to invite other veggie and vegan families to meet up, and yet most of

my invitations to meet up for simple picnics locally get ignored,

even though I don't limit to vegans, but ask lots of vegetarians too.

I'm at a loss what to do, I've asked other vegan and veggie families

to join with us in forming a babysitting circle and had no takers

for that either. I just don't know what these people want! It bugs me

that they seem to put meat-eaters above supporting my efforts to make

friends with them. Either that or they are purposely sad and lonely

and don't want new like-minded friends.

 

Isn't the wonderful Vegan Views magazine based in your town?

If it is, then I'm surprised that you haven't got to know the people

involved in that (it was/is Harry Mather I believe).

 

Unwillingly Sad and Lonely Lesley

 

 

vegan-network, Gareth Pashley <gpashley@b...> wrote:

> like i said it was the " lets try thinking out of the box a bit

here " which

> sounded patronising to me

>

> The email wasn't aimed specifically at you but also at what some

others seem

> to be saying re shunning partners/disassociating yourself from the

non-vegan

> community

> .....we all have to start somewhere as i think the majority of us

aren't+ as vegans so we all have our skeletons in the closet....if

you will

> forgive the pun

>

> there seems to be some misunderstandings here and i apologise if i

have

> upset you....but don't take everything so personally, read around

the wider

> thread and relate peoples comments to that

>

> I would've thought that the situation in London was better than

most, what

> with the cosmopolitan mix of people.....I don't know any vegans

personally

> but Bournemouth is a bit retrograde!!

> .....but then I don't look to meet vegans specifically, in fact I

don't try

> to meet anyone specifically....I meet who I meet and make many

friends

>

> take it easy....

> g

>

>

>

>

>

> >

> > irene_lucy [sMTP:irene.lucy@n...]

> > Thursday, July 11, 2002 2:47 PM

> > vegan-network

> > [100% veg*n ] Re: Confessions of a teenage meat eater

> >

> >

> > Whoa, just a minute, I have not completely disassociated from

family,

> > just because I would like some vegans close to my family as

> > substitute extended family! I was simply expressing what would be

MY

> > ideal situation! Lots of vegans in each area being like family to

one

> > another, what could be wrong with that? I never said you HAD to

shun

> > your non-vegan family, or veggie partner.

> > In fact I am personally very happy to link up with vegetarians as

> > well as vegans!

> >

> > I don't see why I am considered by you to be patronising, I would

> > think you would be happy that SOME of us appreciate our fellow

vegans

> > enough to want seriously to be part of a really caring community

with

> > them, helping out with caring for one another's children and

helping

> > elderly vegans too.

> >

> > I would rather help and be helped by vegans than just anyone in

my

> > life, and yet vegans are so fragmented and disunified where I

live,

> > that I can't even find a vegan babysitter locally (or a veggie

> > babysitter for that matter at the moment)! Maybe that's just the

way

> > it is in the London area.

> >

> > You don't have to want to be involved in building help and

support

> > between vegans if it's not your priority (but I suspect you

probably

> > are involved in such things), just don't slag off those of us who

do

> > want to put their fellow vegans as a high priority and care about

> > them. It's not about hating anyone, it's about having the type of

> > people in your life that you are comfortable with and I am more

> > comfortable with those who respect life more than with those who

do

> > not!

> >

> > I truly have very little in common with my biological family, I

know

> > them, you don't, so don't judge me for saying the truth of my

life as

> > I see it! I have a cousin who is a dairy farmer and my aunt just

> > married a man who takes his pals to hare coursing events, so how

far

> > removed from me is that? Oh and I have had gay friends and my dad

is

> > a homophobe, so there is another very different attitude I have

from

> > my family!

> >

> > I hope I expressed that clearly, I was not attacking you so stop

> > attacking me.

> >

> > Lesley

> >

> >

 

 

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