[100% veg*n ] Confessions of a teenage meat eater- new family

[Guest guest]

Sorry I guess I'm feeling a little oversensitive, we are all

different but it's tough when you have tried so very hard to make

friends with other local vegans and keep getting ignored and knocked

back.

I end up thinking they all hate me even though I haven't done

anything mean to them.

I would not for instance assume a bunch of vegans would be a horrid

group to be with, without knowing them. I know that wasn't what you

said but it really bothers me when people keep inferring it about

other vegans in comparison to meat-eaters they know. My loyalty is to

vegans, and is pretty unshakeable. What I really need is vegans to be

more accepting of one another.

 

Lesley

 

vegan-network, EBbrewpunx@c... wrote:

> where the heck did i say that??

> * look at wot he wrote*

> i never said anything bad

> i said we was different.....

> thats all

>

>

>

> " irene_lucy " <irene.lucy@n...> wrote:

>

> >

> >OK so obviously you have a BIG problem with me, I'd somehow

guessed

> >that, although I've never had a problem with you. I'm not quite

sure

> >why you think you know me so well as to make such sweeping

statements.

> >

> >I've still got more in common with most vegans than I have with

> >relatives.

> >

> >Lesley

> >

> >vegan-network, EBbrewpunx@c... wrote:

> >> i don't think anyone said that lesley

> >> communication break down

> >> wot i heard was " that seemed like a horrid group to be with "

> >> vegans are just like other folks..some of them are certainly

much

> >more fun then others...

> >>

> >> ok..lets look at it this way..

> >> i'm a veg...been vegan...crap..8 yrs maybe..veggie 13 yrs...

> >>

> >> now, you and i have bloody nuthin in common, besides we both

don't

> >eat flesh

> >>

> >> after that, wot would you and i talk about?? we have different

> >politics, musical tastes, we probably walk different, lordy knows

you

> >probably have an horrid accent

> >> *giggle*

> >> now, on one hand, differences are grand, it brings spice, change

is

> >good different people are great, doin the same thing all the time

> >doesn't lead to growth..but, hanging out and livin with folks 24/7

> >when all you have in common is diet, could get sorta drainin

> >>

> >>

> >> " irene_lucy " <irene.lucy@n...> wrote:

> >>

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >To to the Digest Mode [ recommended ], send an email to:

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> >

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[Guest guest]

well..everyone always needs to not feel they are alone, and that others think

like them

 

i was just making a point that we are all different folks is all..and yer hopes

and dreams linkin all vegans together seem a might...heck..i dunno

 

 

i just still remember you making comments about " my choice of loud obnoxious

music "

fraggle

 

 

" irene_lucy " <irene.lucy wrote:

 

>

>Sorry I guess I'm feeling a little oversensitive, we are all

>different but it's tough when you have tried so very hard to make

>friends with other local vegans and keep getting ignored and knocked

>back.

>I end up thinking they all hate me even though I haven't done

>anything mean to them.

>I would not for instance assume a bunch of vegans would be a horrid

>group to be with, without knowing them. I know that wasn't what you

>said but it really bothers me when people keep inferring it about

>other vegans in comparison to meat-eaters they know. My loyalty is to

>vegans, and is pretty unshakeable. What I really need is vegans to be

>more accepting of one another.

>

>Lesley

>

>vegan-network, EBbrewpunx@c... wrote:

>> where the heck did i say that??

>> * look at wot he wrote*

>> i never said anything bad

>> i said we was different.....

>> thats all

>>

>>

>>

>> " irene_lucy " <irene.lucy@n...> wrote:

>>

>> >

>> >OK so obviously you have a BIG problem with me, I'd somehow

>guessed

>> >that, although I've never had a problem with you. I'm not quite

>sure

>> >why you think you know me so well as to make such sweeping

>statements.

>> >

>> >I've still got more in common with most vegans than I have with

>> >relatives.

>> >

>> >Lesley

>> >

>> >vegan-network, EBbrewpunx@c... wrote:

>> >> i don't think anyone said that lesley

>> >> communication break down

>> >> wot i heard was " that seemed like a horrid group to be with "

>> >> vegans are just like other folks..some of them are certainly

>much

>> >more fun then others...

>> >>

>> >> ok..lets look at it this way..

>> >> i'm a veg...been vegan...crap..8 yrs maybe..veggie 13 yrs...

>> >>

>> >> now, you and i have bloody nuthin in common, besides we both

>don't

>> >eat flesh

>> >>

>> >> after that, wot would you and i talk about?? we have different

>> >politics, musical tastes, we probably walk different, lordy knows

>you

>> >probably have an horrid accent

>> >> *giggle*

>> >> now, on one hand, differences are grand, it brings spice, change

>is

>> >good different people are great, doin the same thing all the time

>> >doesn't lead to growth..but, hanging out and livin with folks 24/7

>> >when all you have in common is diet, could get sorta drainin

>> >>

>> >>

>> >> " irene_lucy " <irene.lucy@n...> wrote:

>> >>

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >To to the Digest Mode [ recommended ], send an email to:

>vegan-network-digest

>> >

>> >

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From analyzing myself, there a feeling of wrongness to exclude my family

from my life- like they raised me, supported me, and helped my partially to

become what i am today. They've given my basically unconditional support

in many rough times, and I feel I should support them reciprocally.

 

But I will still peacefully go search out others when I can, and keep some

ties with the old mom and bro.

 

Jon

 

 

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" kiwi2000 " <kiwi2000

<vegan-network >

Thursday, July 11, 2002 8:09 PM

Re: [100% veg*n ] Re: Confessions of a teenage meat eater- new

family

 

 

> This is so obvious. I can't understand why some don't see it.

> -

> resppect

> vegan-network

> Thursday, July 11, 2002 2:21 PM

> Re: [100% veg*n ] Re: Confessions of a teenage meat eater- new

family

>

>

> I'm with you strongly in this idea.

>

> Surround yourself with others with similar goals, so that you can all

> support each other, and encourage growth.

>

> This is much different than being around people who are stuck for

whatever

> reason from progressing.

> I don't hate my brother, but he's not one I can talk to about these type

of

> issues to help myself resolve questions, and he likely won't have ideas

on

> how I can grow even more.

>

> Jon

>

> -

> " irene_lucy " <irene.lucy

> <vegan-network >

> Thursday, July 11, 2002 5:55 AM

> [100% veg*n ] Re: Confessions of a teenage meat eater

>

>

> >

> > I mostly agree with Brad about how I feel about animal eaters.

> >

> > And I just have to say this.

> >

> > What is wrong with vegans being as substitute family to one another

> > anyway?

> >

> > If we work on building strong bonds between vegans, then we don't

> > have to deal so much with biological family where we have little

> > common ground.

> >

> > Now who will be my kids' ungodparents and raise them vegan if hubby

> > and I die? I want vegans to do that, not biological family who are

> > omnis.

> >

> > What is family anyway? It should be possible for it to be who you

> > choose! Let's try thinking out of the box a bit here.

> >

> > Lesley

> >

> > (Lesley Dove-free? Pah!)

> >

> >

> > vegan-network, Gareth Pashley <gpashley@b...> wrote:

> > > I was just wondering Brad...are all of your family vegan or do you

> > treat

> > > them with the same amount of hate that you reserve for the rest of

> > the

> > > world's meat-eaters/non-vegans. If they are vegan you are very

> > lucky to have

> > > been brought up in such an environment but may have different

> > experiences

> > > than most of us have had and not had to deal with the same issues.

> > If they

> > > aren't vegan have you cut yourself off from them??

> > >

> > > Gareth Pashley

> > > Periodicals, Dorset House Library

> > > Bournemouth University

> > > gpashley@b...

> > >

> > > " Beneath the pavement, the beach "

> > >

> > > >

> > > > kiwi2000 [sMTP:kiwi2000@o...]

> > > > Thursday, July 11, 2002 7:12 AM

> > > > vegan-network

> > > > Re: [100% veg*n ] Re: Confessions of a teenage meat

> > eater

> > > >

> > > > Jon,

> > > > communication is such a difficult thing. We see through

> > our

> > > > distortions not very clearly. I know that using the word Nazi

> > > > evokes negative vibes. And you're right that the Nazi has hate in

> > his

> > > > heart and the meat eater is more or less unconscious.

> > > > As with any analogy it serves only partially. By saying what I

> > said, I'm

> > > > not judging or saying that meat eaters are Nazis.

> > > > To me murder is murder. If death of the innocent is the ultimate

> > result

> > > > does it matter much how the killer felt or why he killed or

> > > > that he will keep on killing? To me an animals' life is as

> > precious as a

> > > > humans' life. That seems to be missing in our discussions here.

> > > > We get very upset at the killing of a human, but not upset enough

> > at the

> > > > killing of an animal. If the animals' family were to take up arms

> > > > and seek out the murderer of their kin and take revenge, how

> > differently

> > > > we would all act. By using the analogy of the Nazi, I'm saying

> > > > that to take an animal life is just as bad as to take an human

> > life. It

> > > > isn't OK in my mind to wait ten years to see if the person I

> > married

> > > > will wake up one day, maybe, and stop participating in the murder

> > (of

> > > > animals). Just as it wouldn't be OK for someone who married a

> > Nazi to wait

> > > > ten years to see if maybe the Nazi will stop killing Jews. Every

> > day that

> > > > goes by is another Jew and/or animal killed. Are you saying that

> > it's OK

> > > > to let X number of animals die as we wait to see what will

> > happen, maybe?

> > > > How many sticks of dynamite will it take to wake people up?

> > > > If you were the Jew or the animal that was going to be killed

> > today

> > > > because the Nazi or meat eater hasn't come to realize that the

> > killing was

> > > > wrong, or your wife or your child, or mother, father, brother,

> > sister,best

> > > > friend how would it be then to wait that one more day if it meant

> > your

> > > > death or theirs? Oh no, we don't want to be impolite or

> > disrespectful

> > > > here. God forbid someone should cry out too loudly in the name of

> > > > senseless, countless slaughter. It might disturb the poor little

> > > > sensibilities of our fellow members. Sorry all, I

> > don't have

> > > > that kind of patience. This is not OK with me! Saying that this

> > is the way

> > > > the world is, is no excuse. We are all much too comfortable with

> > killing.

> > > >

> > Brad

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> >

> >

> >

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> vegan-network-digest

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Why did your one line message require a 10k email?

 

Maybe because it contained three other emails below it. This makes it take

longer to download and make it very difficult for people reading on a

digest to follow what is old and what is new.

 

Please snip the old replies, it is bad etiquette to leave more than one

message quoted at the foot of an email.

 

Michael

 

At 08:09 PM 7/11/2002 -0400, kiwi2000 you wrote:

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>This is so obvious. I can't understand why some don't see it.