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At least half a dozen dead porpoises have washed up on beaches in

Washington state and British Columbia in the last week, spurring

speculation that they were killed when the USS Shoup, a Navy

destroyer, used its high-intensity sonar last Monday as it traveled

near the San Juan Islands off the Washington coast. Observers

reported that as many as 100 porpoises leapt through the water at

high speed in an attempt to get away from the sound; about 20 orcas

and a minke whale were also seen fleeing. The blasts of sound could

have damaged the sensitive hearing of the marine mammals, which would

impair their ability to navigate and find food. The Navy has come

under criticism for using this type of sonar, which some scientists

believe led to the deaths of seven beaked whales and the beaching of

17 others in the Bahamas in 2000. But what troubles enviros more

than these incidents is legislation being pushed by the Bush

administration that would exempt the military from environmental

laws, including the Marine Mammal Protection Act.

 

straight to the source: Seattle Post-Intelligencer, 13 May 2003

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straight to the source: Bremerton Sun, Christopher Dunagan, 12 May 2003

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Hi Fraggle,

But what troubles enviros more than these incidents is legislation being pushed by the Bush administration that would exempt the military from environmental laws, including the Marine Mammal Protection Act.

While these incidents are saddening, what are we supposed to do? We gotta have military defense. Even India, which is supposed to be a more pacifist country, has a military. I asked my Indian friend why, and he said there's nothing wrong with having a defense. I know there's so much more to this issue, but honestly, what are we supposed to do? So many people think America is the devil, and you just can't have a nice little talk with some of these oppressing leaders of other countries, and declare "world peace." What are the alternatives, Fraggle?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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>EBbrewpunx > >HarmNone , homstead_solarium , , vegan-network > obviously they were terrorist whales working for al queda and bad mouthed enron >Tue, 13 May 2003 20:23:56 EDT > >At least half a dozen dead porpoises have washed up on beaches in >Washington state and British Columbia in the last week, spurring >speculation that they were killed when the USS Shoup, a Navy >destroyer, used its high-intensity sonar last Monday as it traveled >near the San Juan Islands off the Washington coast. Observers >reported that as many as 100 porpoises leapt through the water at >high speed in an attempt to get away from the sound; about 20 orcas >and a minke whale were also seen fleeing. The blasts of sound could >have damaged the sensitive hearing of the marine mammals, which would >impair their ability to navigate and find food. The Navy has come >under criticism for using this type of sonar, which some scientists >believe led to the deaths of seven beaked whales and the beaching of >17 others in the Bahamas in 2000. But what troubles enviros more >than these incidents is legislation being pushed by the Bush >administration that would exempt the military from environmental >laws, including the Marine Mammal Protection Act. > >straight to the source: Seattle Post-Intelligencer, 13 May 2003 > > >straight to the source: Bremerton Sun, Christopher Dunagan, 12 May 2003 > > >straight to the source: Bremerton Sun, Christopher Dunagan, 08 May 2003 > Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE*

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>Re: obviously they were terrorist whales working for al queda and bad mouthed enron >Wed, 14 May 2003 17:41:31 +0100 > >Hi Amylia > > > While these incidents are saddening, what are we supposed to do? We gotta have military defense. Even India, which is > > supposed to be a more pacifist country, has a military. > >Well, last I checked India were in the middle of a decades old war with Pakistan over Kashmir - so I wouldn't really say they were a pacifist country! > >But, last I checked, no country had suffered a serious military invasion led by Marine Mammals!!! > > > I know there's so much more to this issue, but honestly, what are we supposed to do? So many people think America is the > > devil, and you just can't have a nice little talk with some of these oppressing leaders of other countries, and declare "world > > peace." What are the alternatives > >The first one would be not to put the dictators in power in the first place. It's a strange misconception amongst many Americans that Saddam Hussein was some sort of threat to the world - the last time he attacked anyone was in 1991, and that was only after getting approval from the US Ambassador. When he gassed the Kurds in the early 1980s the US & UK continued to supply him the weapons to do so for at least 5 years. When he invaded Iran it was at the behest of the US - other than that he's been fairly quiet as dictators go. > >The immediate solution would be to remove the two unelected dictators who have caused more war, terrorism and massacres than anyone else in the past few years: Bush & Blair. > >If things go on as they are, within 10 years there will be a US led empire goverened over by a military dictatorship headed by Bush or one of his current associates - if you've got any doubts about that, just go and look at the stuff published by PNAC in September 2000. > >BB >Peter > > >--- >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.481 / Virus Database: 277 - Release 13/05/03 It's fast, it's easy and it's free! Click here to download MSN Messenger

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Even stranger, with regards to women, Iraq was one of the most progressive

Muslim countries. OK, it was a dictatorship, but women in Iraq had far more

rights than women in, say, Saudi Arabia.

 

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Re: obviously they were terrorist whales working for

al queda and bad mouthed enron

Wed, 14 May 2003 17:41:31 +0100

 

Hi Amylia

 

> While these incidents are saddening, what are we supposed to do? We

gotta have military defense. Even India, which is

> supposed to be a more pacifist country, has a military.

 

Well, last I checked India were in the middle of a decades old war with

Pakistan over Kashmir - so I wouldn't really say they were a pacifist

country!

 

But, last I checked, no country had suffered a serious military invasion led

by Marine Mammals!!!

 

> I know there's so much more to this issue, but honestly, what are we

supposed to do? So many people think America is the

> devil, and you just can't have a nice little talk with some of these

oppressing leaders of other countries, and declare " world

> peace. " What are the alternatives

 

The first one would be not to put the dictators in power in the first place.

It's a strange misconception amongst many Americans that Saddam Hussein was

some sort of threat to the world - the last time he attacked anyone was in

1991, and that was only after getting approval from the US Ambassador. When

he gassed the Kurds in the early 1980s the US & UK continued to supply him

the weapons to do so for at least 5 years. When he invaded Iran it was at

the behest of the US - other than that he's been fairly quiet as dictators

go.

 

The immediate solution would be to remove the two unelected dictators who

have caused more war, terrorism and massacres than anyone else in the past

few years: Bush & Blair.

 

If things go on as they are, within 10 years there will be a US led empire

goverened over by a military dictatorship headed by Bush or one of his

current associates - if you've got any doubts about that, just go and look

at the stuff published by PNAC in September 2000.

 

BB

Peter

 

 

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