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Mary Hammond wrote:

>

> Hi,

>

> I've toyed off and on with veganism for a few years now. It's such a

> battle of the conscience. Spiritually and emotionally it just gets

> harder and harder to eat meat/dairy. I have a couple fears which

> inevitably force me back into eating meat. I wonder if any of you

> more experienced vegans can assuage my concerns:

>

> 1) The whole B-12 issue. I've read a few articles (maybe too

> many??), and I'm scared I won't get enough B-12 b/c it has to come

> from an animal; and therefore I could end up with brain damage or

> some other neurological problem.

 

B12 doesn't have to come from an animal. (Where did you get this idea?)

You can get it from tablets and fortified foods fine - these have been

shown to allievate deficiency syptoms and lower homocysteine levels (an

indicator of symptomless deficienciy), proving that the supplemental B12

gets in and does the job.

 

> 2) Weakness and lethargy. Even though I am careful to get enough

> protein, I still at times found myself weak and not feeling as

> satiated as I did when eating meat. I am hypoglycemic so this scares

> me as I sometimes would get the shakes. Does anyone else have

> expereience with this?

 

Meat might sate your appetite more because it's got more fat and protein

- neither of these are particularly good for you at the levels of your

usual western diet. (Although protein, of course, is badly needed in its

own right, most people eat far more than they need.)

 

The nutritional advice on the Vegan society website is now really good

and not at all rose tinted. I can't speak to hypoglycaemia, but you

could ask the Vegan Society themselves, they'd probably be glad to help.

Is hypoglycaemia a form of diabetes?

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Hi,

 

Thanks for the info and the reference to the Vegan Society website.

It's very thorough and specific as to the exact amounts one needs in

the form of B-12 supplements. I think I should be more discerning

about what articles I read. The B-12 article that alarmed me was

written by a doctor who wanted to alert (scare?) vegans about this

health issue. I wonder now if there wasn't some other motivation

involved . . .

 

Hypoglycemia isn't a form of diabetes. I think I'll just have to

watch it and make sure I always have snacks handy - I just get scared

I'll gain weight if I'm eating more often and not feeling " full " .

 

vegan-network , Ian McDonald <ian@m...> wrote:

>

>

> Mary Hammond wrote:

> >

> > Hi,

> >

> > I've toyed off and on with veganism for a few years now. It's

such a

> > battle of the conscience. Spiritually and emotionally it just

gets

> > harder and harder to eat meat/dairy. I have a couple fears which

> > inevitably force me back into eating meat. I wonder if any of you

> > more experienced vegans can assuage my concerns:

> >

> > 1) The whole B-12 issue. I've read a few articles (maybe too

> > many??), and I'm scared I won't get enough B-12 b/c it has to come

> > from an animal; and therefore I could end up with brain damage or

> > some other neurological problem.

>

> B12 doesn't have to come from an animal. (Where did you get this

idea?)

> You can get it from tablets and fortified foods fine - these have

been

> shown to allievate deficiency syptoms and lower homocysteine levels

(an

> indicator of symptomless deficienciy), proving that the

supplemental B12

> gets in and does the job.

>

> > 2) Weakness and lethargy. Even though I am careful to get enough

> > protein, I still at times found myself weak and not feeling as

> > satiated as I did when eating meat. I am hypoglycemic so this

scares

> > me as I sometimes would get the shakes. Does anyone else have

> > expereience with this?

>

> Meat might sate your appetite more because it's got more fat and

protein

> - neither of these are particularly good for you at the levels of

your

> usual western diet. (Although protein, of course, is badly needed

in its

> own right, most people eat far more than they need.)

>

> The nutritional advice on the Vegan society website is now really

good

> and not at all rose tinted. I can't speak to hypoglycaemia, but you

> could ask the Vegan Society themselves, they'd probably be glad to

help.

> Is hypoglycaemia a form of diabetes?

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Mary Hammond wrote:

>

> Hi,

>

> Thanks for the info and the reference to the Vegan Society website.

> It's very thorough and specific as to the exact amounts one needs in

> the form of B-12 supplements. I think I should be more discerning

> about what articles I read. The B-12 article that alarmed me was

> written by a doctor who wanted to alert (scare?) vegans about this

> health issue. I wonder now if there wasn't some other motivation

> involved . . .

 

Medics aren't necessarily trained in science, and are as likely to

confuse anecdotes (particularly their own) with data as anyone else.

Perhaps s/he treated a genuine case of B12 deficiency, was shocked to

find it, and got onto a hobby horse about it.

 

> Hypoglycemia isn't a form of diabetes. I think I'll just have to

> watch it and make sure I always have snacks handy - I just get scared

> I'll gain weight if I'm eating more often and not feeling " full " .

>

 

This is why I eat wholemeal bread and other wholefoods - partly because

they're a bit better for me, partly because they taste a bit better, but

mainly because they actually fill me up.

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Hi, Mary

 

OK, on the B-12 issue, the idea is to get your B-12, also known as

(cyana)cobalomin, from a variety of sources. This is true of all nutrients.

I've started taking 2000 mcg daily, which I will taper off to once a week.

From what I've heard, the only nutritional yeast that is a reliable source

of B-12 is the Red Star. I guess it's one item you do NOT buy in bulk.

 

The fershtinkiner protein myth: unless you are extremely active, you need

perhaps .5 gram of protein per pound of body weight. Too much protein

(especially of the animal variety), and you lose calcium. I don't know what

to say in your case, as you have a metabolic disorder. I understand that

some people do well when they eat five or six small meals a day.

 

I should stress emphatically that I'm not an expert, but I've done a hell of

a lot of reading in the 2 1/2-plus years since I stopped eating meat (I went

vegan a few months later), and I would recommend the same. " Being

Vegetarian for Dummies " by Suzanne Havala-Hobbs is an excellent book, and

Vegetarian Resource Group has some good books for simple vegan cooking,

vegan nutrition, and other information about being an herbivore. Not to

mention the site is pretty good.

 

Danielle

 

 

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" Mary Hammond " <mhammond

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vegan-network

[100% veg*n ] New to Group & Veganism

Mon, 13 Sep 2004 20:37:54 -0000

 

Hi,

 

I've toyed off and on with veganism for a few years now. It's such a

battle of the conscience. Spiritually and emotionally it just gets

harder and harder to eat meat/dairy. I have a couple fears which

inevitably force me back into eating meat. I wonder if any of you

more experienced vegans can assuage my concerns:

 

1) The whole B-12 issue. I've read a few articles (maybe too

many??), and I'm scared I won't get enough B-12 b/c it has to come

from an animal; and therefore I could end up with brain damage or

some other neurological problem.

2) Weakness and lethargy. Even though I am careful to get enough

protein, I still at times found myself weak and not feeling as

satiated as I did when eating meat. I am hypoglycemic so this scares

me as I sometimes would get the shakes. Does anyone else have

expereience with this?

 

I so don't want to eat meat, but these physical fears really scare me.

 

Thanks for any and all help!

 

Mary

 

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