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[Guest guest]

Dear friends,

 

This is the answer I got regarding the dogs from Wu-Chu

 

 

GEVHA- Grupo para el Estudio de la Violencia Hacia Humanos y Animales. Educacion

Humanitaria.

Group for the Study of Violence towards Humans & Animals. Humane Education.

 

http://www.jobs.ge/gevha/

http://www.violenciaanimales/

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" La conmiseracion con los animales esta intimamente ligada con la bondad

de caracter, de tal suerte que se puede afirmar seguro que quien es cruel con

los animales, no puede ser buena persona. Una compasion por todos los seres

vivos es la prueba mas firme y segura de la conducta moral "

 

Arthur Schopenhauer (filosofo aleman)

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Dear friends,

 

How long are we to decide with human rights for animal welfare. Is it not

enough or is there some more to satisfy the humans. As a race that exploited

for all the selfish reasons upsetting the entire biological spheres pushing to

the brim of total destruction why talk about human rights.

 

It should now read as animal rights and welfare for the sake of humans and this

will lead us to our objectives. Animals and all species except humans have

given their lives for human comforts. Nobody has the right to take other's

lives unless threatened. And all species are found to be useful to

theenvironment except the humans. Excepting for helping each other the humans

have no values.

 

There is no morality also. A bull or a cow after serving day and night to the

families for 15 years endup in the terrible transportations and slaughter

houses. Similarly are other useful animals.

 

The report on Tiger issues was submitted to the PM with the basic

recommendations that unless tribals are roped in or the humans at the forest are

encouraged there is no safety to the tigers and subsequently to the entire

forest life. How much more preconditions to the tribals is this necessary. The

tribal bill will obviously go through. These are all at the top level while the

situation is totally different at the ground level. The poachers are immune to

these decisions. With the fluid political scenario and money bait to the humans

the poachers are laughing in their sleeves.

 

It needs committment and dedicated officers with total govt. protection. And

all the while we keep thinking of human rights and their welfare which also has

limits we are going to land in no zone atleast for the wildanimals. Yes the

tribals should be compensated or selected for jobs but there can be no

encroachments or humans in the sanctuary. Even a single individual in the pack

can spoil the entire setup to protect the forests and under the low pecuniary

conditions of the tribals it is easy to lure them in the illegal trade. They

need to move out. Their rights are protected when they are shown the right path

and the right economy living and educated to learn to earn by the applicable

methods and not on taking other species lives. it is not their right to do so.

If the human cannot recognise the rights of other species than they cannot have

any rights also.

 

I was able to turn the seaturtle poachers into protectors by paying suitably and

used religion and silent warnings and now the migratory birds at Telenelipuram.

I protected human rights for animal welfare while educating the masses. I bring

into fold 24 villages to man the coasts. Through the human I entered the entire

villages. It has worked. But tiger poachers are in need of huge money and this

cannot be compensated by any jobs. So they need to be caught and punished while

the tribals or conduits in the villages will be warned while a comprehensive

awareness campaign lodged. This is protecting human rights through animal

welfare. To show the animal's usefulness beneficial to humans.

 

ANd this is what we are into now. Formulating scheme to enter every village

gradually encompassing all our projects for domestic and wild bringing in all

social and economic values with all sentiments in our customs. Money spent in

this direction is much economical with best results. Understanding animal

values will help the humans.

 

And these are all attrributed to a populated and ever growing population. Why

should not ABC for humans also.

 

I am thinking like a plain species with justification for all species. My

views for animals and please excuse me if I have offended anybody.

 

Pradeep.

 

<shubhobrotoghosh wrote:

Dear Dr Krishna and Ms Welch,

I just wanted to mean that all people who abuse animals(in wildlife trade or

otherwise)have a right to present their case just like all criminals(including

robbers and rapists and serial killers)are legally entitled to trial before

indictment. This is where human rights comes in. Listening to a wildlife trader

does not mean supporting his vocation. We could carry on this issue till the

cows come home, but in case we differ, I think it is better we just agree to

diasgree. Many thanks for writing.

Warm regards,

 

Yours sincerely,

 

 

 

On Fri, 05 Aug 2005 Dr.S.Chinny Krishna wrote :

>Dear ,

>

>I fully agree with you that we cannot think of animal rights without

>considering human rights, but where exactly this enters the debate in

>question is beyond me.

>

>S. Chinny Krishna

>

>

> [shubhobrotoghosh]

>Friday, August 05, 2005 12:48 PM

>aapn

>Re: wildlife consumption in Asia

>

>Dear Ms. Bartlett and Ms Welch and AAPN colleagues,

> Your comments are

>appreciated. I am not blaming any country or any individual in particular

>but just trying to say that the wildlife trade issue is a complex global

>one. I however do believe in healthy debate since most often leaving things

>to 'the higher authorities' causes the problems in the first place. I also

>do believe that unless you respect humans you cannot respect animals. In

>short we cannot think of animal rights without considering human rights.

>Thank you for your views and all the best in your work.

> Best wishes and kind regards,

>

> Yours sincerely,

>

>

>

>

>On Fri, 05 Aug 2005 Kim Bartlett wrote :

> > In no way would I try to minimize the negative impact of the

> >USA on consumption of natural resources globally. But it is a fact

> >that Americans do not customarily eat exotic wildlife, and penalties

> >are harsh when illegal wildlife traders are caught in the US. (Much

> >of the illegal wildlife trade in the US involves the sale of bear

> >gallbladders for Chinese medicine and fresh-water turtles for Chinese

> >food markets.) There is a big problem with wealthy American trophy

> >hunters (Germans, British and other Europeans, too) traveling to

> >developing countries - mainly Africa - to hunt, with permission to

> >import their trophies (some of protected species) usually granted by

> >wildlife officials in the pro-hunting Bush administration, which

> >argues that trophy hunting is " sustainable use " and approved by

> >conservation groups such as the World Wildlife Fund. However, as

> >deplorable as trophy hunting is, it is not a huge factor in the

> >black market trade that is impacting Asian wildlife at this time.

> > The US has huge numbers of tigers in captivity, but they were

> >bred and born in captivity. The US is not importing wild-caught

> >tigers (except for possible use in Species Survival plans), and any

> >American caught eating or wearing tiger remains would be socially

> >ostracized, apart from legal penalties. Tigers poached in India have

> >their skins sold to Tibet with their salable body parts sent mainly

> >to Taiwan for use in Chinese traditional medicines. The Peoples

> >Republic of China (mainland China) has cracked down on the trade in

> >tigers and elephants, but so far has done nothing significant to

> >curb the sale of wildlife for human consumption in Cantonese markets,

> >and my point was that as long as it is legal to sell and eat exotic

> >wildlife species in Guangdong, the demand will be supplied.

> > Deforestation for meat production has an enormous

> >environmental impact in Latin America and Africa, but meat

> >consumption is not yet considered an environmental issue by

> >mainstream environmental organizations. It is also worth noting that

> >per capita Asian meat consumption is rising as per capita meat

> >consumption falls in the US and western Europe (where there are the

> >most McDonald's).

> > The US can be blamed for much that is wrong in the world, and

> >I have always been one of the first to criticize American politics,

> >policies and practices, but blaming America for the " black market in

> >Asian endangered species " is unjustifiable and will not contribute to

> >solving the problem.

> > --Kim Bartlett

> >

> >

> >

> > > " "

> > >Sender: aapn

> > >4 Aug 2005 09:51:38 -0000

> > >Re: BLACK MARKET IN ASIAN ENDANGERED SPECIES

> > > " "

> > >

> > >Dear colleagues,

> > > Whereas there can be no doubt that China is a major

> > >consumer of wildlife products and animals, I would beg to differ on

> > >the notion that 'When it comes to the wildlife trade, all roads lead

> > >to China'. I would like to remind everyone that the world's number

> > >one consumer of natural resources is USA and not China(Ref: THE

> > >FUTURE OF LIFE by Edward Wilson, STUPID WHITE MEN by Michael Moore).

> > >All wildlife trade routes definitely do not lead to China since

> > >there are more tigers in USA in captivity than any other

> > >country(Ref: the Patrick Brown and Alan Green interviews). The

> > >Chinese are not responsible for creating MacDonalds to wipe out

> > >rainforests all over the world to fatten cattle for beef burgers.

> > >The Chinese were not responsible for dropping napalm bombs in

> > >Vietnam to destroy forests and endangered species, the Americans

> > >were. Pointing fingers to one country and saying 'They are

> > >responsible' does not help the animals or humans. No one is absolved

> > >of guilt on the issue of animal mistreatment anywhere.

> > > Best wishes and kind regards,

> > >

> > > Yours sincerely,

> > >

> > >

> >

> >--

> >Kim Bartlett, Publisher of ANIMAL PEOPLE Newspaper

> >Postal mailing address: P.O. Box 960, Clinton WA 98236 U.S.A.

> >CORRECT EMAIL ADDRESS IS:

> >Website: http://www.animalpeoplenews.org/ with French and Spanish

> >language subsections.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >For more information on Asian animal issues, please use the search feature

>on the AAPN website: http://www.aapn.org/ or search the list archives at:

>aapn

> >Please feel free to send any relevant news or comments to the list at

>aapn

> >

[Guest guest]

I live in Maryland. I tried your web site, but did not know which one was you?

I would like to learn more about your diet. Please help

 

Thank you

Edith

 

sussmank wrote:

 

 

 

 

Dusty,

 

Raw food diet is all veggie and guarantees effortless permanent weight loss.

(no exercise necessary)

 

No need to count calories or eat low fat. Trust me it is a lot more tasty

than the name implies.

 

Where do you live?

 

Check out my website. _www.ocraw.com_ (http://www.ocraw.com) for photos (b4

an after), HEALTH info, and recipes etc.

 

E diet is a waste of $- the owner is a fat junk food junkie. (his photos are

on the website - John)

 

My site is free and also prevents cancer etc.

 

BTW- drop the dairy- at least milk, butter, and cheese...ORGANIC eggs may be

OK for now if you insist.

 

Karen

 

 

In a message dated 9/21/05 12:54:15 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,

dusty06282000 writes:

 

Has anyone found a diet that it vegetarian friendly? I tried WW and

had a very hard time with it, plues I don't like paying( and the

price

went up a couple dollars) to step on the scale and listen to people

who could not help me. They are great with menu help and ideals if

you eat meat but not that helpful if you don't. I think they are not

educated with different health needs plus just don't know. There

answer was check the website. I even called the office and talked to

people and they could not help.

 

I lack ideals for very filling, low fat, low calorie, high fiber and

what ever else it takes to get rid of this fat.LOL I do exercise 3

times a week and I try to watch what I eat. I eat a lot of veggies

and wild rice I cut way back on cheese and veggie burgers for fear of

to much fat and bad stuff.

 

Has anyone tried the E-Diet? If so what was the result.

 

Any ideals will be helpful and appreciated.

 

Thanks in advance.

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

That sounds great. How does that diet work?

 

Graham <graham wrote:dusty06282000 wrote:

 

>Has anyone found a diet that it vegetarian friendly?

>

...,.

 

I am a vegan and that is a diet that is more than vegetarian friendly.

I lost over 60 pounds got to my correct weight and have maintained it

for 4 years now.

 

Graham

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Yes I think I can understand.

Thank you for help

 

grahamisfun <graham wrote:

Several of us have posted the answer to your question as a change in

lifestyle not a diet per se. Do you understand what we are saying?

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Here's the short reply, a longer one may come later: tofu I sometimes use;

however tempeh and seitah are foreign to me. I have been looking for a

vegetarian cookbook at a used book store. Prohibitive cost has hampered me

some, but I have a feeling that there maybe something I don't know. I will be

asking the group strategies for successful switching. Right now, I'm reading

" Healthy Habits " by David and Anne Frahm. That is what is making me seriously

consider a real switch. Thank you for your helpful attitude! Until next time!

Cory

 

Hey, Cory,

 

There are numerous vegan cookbooks out there, not to mention many sites with

veg*an recipes. Is there a Whole Foods/Wild Oats/natural foods store in

your town? If so, you can get tofu, tempeh, seitan, and other non-meat

protein sources. You can also order seitan quick mix online, as it's just

high-gluten flour that you mix with water. Almost every grocery store sells

beans without nasty additives that you can serve with rice and/or veggies or

make into tacos or burritos. Don't go overboard on the meat substitutes, as

they can get expensive. Consider them an occasional treat.

 

And any reduction in animal products is a step in the right direction.

 

Danielle