[100% veg*n ] stand up and be counted

[Guest guest]

We are not alone.I grew up among kosher Jews whn face

the same problem-an unsympathetic general

public.Hnwever,hiding behind weak excuses such as

allergies is cowardice and you are also closing off an

opportunity to educate the people around you about

vegan ideology and environment conscience.Even thnugh

9 out of 10 people whom you tell you are a vegan may

laugh at you there may be a tenth who will be

influenced and will become a vegan himself and THAT is

hnw we willgrow.thanks Jenny for the book references I

found already some Laurell Hamilton in library Corinna

in Florida

 

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> EBbrewpunx

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> ebbrewpunx

> Fri Jun & nbsp;23, & nbsp;2006 8:36 & nbsp;am (PST)

> welcome to a very quiet list jen!

>

> & gt;Jen & lt; jennydemonic@ & gt;

> & gt;Jun 22, 2006 6:36 PM

> & gt;vegan-network

> & gt;[100% veg*n ] new member

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> & gt;Well, obviously, Im new to the group. Names Jen,

24 years old. I

> & gt;became a vegetarian in late December 2005 and by

February I was full

> & gt;fledge vegan. It just makes more sense to me,

which people find weird

> & gt;with my love of vampire novels. Oh, well. I live

in Wichita, Kansas,

> & gt;and let me tell you now, youre better off saying

youre lactose

> & gt;intolerant and you dont eat meat in a restaurant

here than trying to

> & gt;define & quot;vegan. & quot; If they think they

might kill you, the restaurants

> & gt;take better care of the food prep. So I guess

that Im tired of

> & gt;having to lie about my lifestyle choices just to

get along in the

> & gt;world at large. I have no problems with my diet,

but the minute I

> & gt;step out my front door Im confronted with planet

McDonalds. Guess

> & gt;Im just looking for like-minded people.

> & gt;

> & gt;

> & gt;

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[Guest guest]

I really think it depends on the circumstances and don't like moralising,

whether it's to fellow vegans or anyone else. The allergies line can be a

very effective way of making sure a restaurant takes notice. The likelihood

is you will get into a conversation and can also then discuss how you feel

about the ethical and ecological issues. That presents them with a

convincing case in a non-threatening way. Indeed, the interesting thing is

that the whole " but is it healthy not eat...? " argument goes straight out of

the window if you claim you're allergic (and it makes people focus on

exactly what IS in the soup stock)... So there's many different ways to look

at this. In my experience, though, you're much more likely to influence

someone to go vegan by not preaching or being dogmatic or self-righteous. In

fact I know of several ex-vegans who use aggressive preachiness as one of

their excuses for no longer being vegan - Yeah, I know, as if it were a

social club....

 

Cheers

 

Mike

 

 

vegan-network [vegan-network ]

On Behalf Of corinna

24 June 2006 17:32

vegan-network

Re: [100% veg*n ] stand up and be counted

 

We are not alone.I grew up among kosher Jews whn face the same problem-an

unsympathetic general public.Hnwever,hiding behind weak excuses such as

allergies is cowardice and you are also closing off an opportunity to

educate the people around you about vegan ideology and environment

conscience.Even thnugh

9 out of 10 people whom you tell you are a vegan may laugh at you there may

be a tenth who will be influenced and will become a vegan himself and THAT

is hnw we willgrow.thanks Jenny for the book references I found already some

Laurell Hamilton in library Corinna in Florida

 

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<vegan-network > wrote:

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> Messages In This Digest (3

> Messages)

> 1a.

> Re: new member

>

> fraggle

> 1b.

> Re: new member

>

> Michael Benis

> 1c.

> Re: new member

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> Jenny Demonic

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> 1a.

> Re: new member

> Posted by: fraggle

> EBbrewpunx

> & nbsp;

> ebbrewpunx

> Fri Jun & nbsp;23, & nbsp;2006 8:36 & nbsp;am (PST) welcome to a very quiet

> list jen!

>

> & gt;Jen & lt; jennydemonic@ & gt;

> & gt;Jun 22, 2006 6:36 PM

> & gt;vegan-network

> & gt;[100% veg*n ] new member

> & gt;

> & gt;Well, obviously, Im new to the group. Names Jen,

24 years old. I

> & gt;became a vegetarian in late December 2005 and by

February I was full

> & gt;fledge vegan. It just makes more sense to me,

which people find weird

> & gt;with my love of vampire novels. Oh, well. I live

in Wichita, Kansas,

> & gt;and let me tell you now, youre better off saying

youre lactose

> & gt;intolerant and you dont eat meat in a restaurant

here than trying to

> & gt;define & quot;vegan. & quot; If they think they

might kill you, the restaurants

> & gt;take better care of the food prep. So I guess

that Im tired of

> & gt;having to lie about my lifestyle choices just to

get along in the

> & gt;world at large. I have no problems with my diet,

but the minute I

> & gt;step out my front door Im confronted with planet

McDonalds. Guess

> & gt;Im just looking for like-minded people.

> & gt;

> & gt;

> & gt;

> & gt;

> & gt;

> & gt;

> & gt;To to the Digest Mode [ recommended ],

send an email to: vegan-network- digest@grou ps.com

> & gt;