vegans speak out!!!! my prediction for 2010 will be vegan vegan vegan...

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my prediction for 2010 will be vegan vegan vegan...

 

it's obvious obvious obvious...

 

vegan is the changes the world needs...

 

corporate omnivorism... is ugly. Go bloodless... Go vegan...

 

2010... will be the year the world turns...

 

2007... crimes are everywhere... shoddy deals and wars about... everybody is being robbed... people get caught... the system shakes... the crimes can be seen... the economy is false... the rich have the profits... the helpless... the suffering...

 

2008... the governments support the rich ... the war chests are expanded... human rights are ended... civilian deaths mean nothing... we kill mercilessly... animals suffer in the billions...

 

2009 ...china lends usa more money for more war... power has totally corrupted... war is HUGE business. global warming right out of control. leaders LOST.... no direction.

 

2010... learn to live peacefully... go vegan... spread the message everywhere... don't let up... increase your endeavors... seize the power back and save the earth from the violent greedy folk who have seized control of the earth...

 

every one join and help us in our caring, healthy, lifestyle towards world peace and compassion for all that live as the guest of mother earth... we have room for every living thing... tread gently and carefully....

 

 

ps...thanks for your support chris. u are a good writer. don't underestimate yourself. :-)) u inspired me to write this...now i hope this inspires others... (from a nz chat site...)

 

 

Kindness... The Divine Plan.col sky^*

 

 

 

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Tim Whitley

Veganzchat

Sunday, January 03, 2010 12:12 AM

Re: [Veganzchat] meditation leading to vegetarianism

Hi ChrisYou are spot on. And as for the slogans, I was referring to a lot of graffiti spray painting going recently around town, which has angered some people in the neighbourhood, not about the slogans themselves. So, my observation is that it is amazing as to how many people who get into meditation turn vegetarian, almost without realising it, and will give different reasons, which seemed to have coincided with something that happened to them. From personal experience I have known many people who have gone this route and is why I brought it up. I like your angle on this as well, as people need to be informed, and that has been a huge issue. I'm not saying that meditating is the only way, it is only one of many ways. I think what my thinking is leading to on this subject is that all angles have a clear path to the same results, and that shifts in perceptions can be obtained in many different ways as you mentioned. You are a good debater, and I can see you have expertise in this. Have you ever thought about going into politics?I believe that some day with all of these different ways of obtaining the same results, they will all coincide, as Colin has referred to, who I totally agree with, and everyone will just wake up to the vegan lifestyle as the ultimate logical and naturally occurring way to coexists with the earth and all of its inhabitants. I'm happy to get responses to the email, as I wrote an article many years ago about my trip to India and how consciousness itself can sway large numbers of people, which was published in a magazine. I'm really not a good writer, I just had a good editor who tweaked the heck out of it. So, change happens in many different ways as you, Colin, and Johanna have mentioned... i really want to try that shaman thing since my grandfather was native american indian. I agree with all of you. Remember in 1989 when the Berlin wall fell, and the Tiananmen Square protests of 1989. I was in Germany when the wall fell and will never forget that feeling. It was a feeling that everyone experienced around the world, not just in China and Germany. That year was an incredible year for change, and more changes or shifts like that are coming, which is inevitable!!! So what you and I are talking about will all come together similar to 1989 but much bigger, and we will see some really big shifts in perception happen, and all of us will have a different explanation of what happened, which is the fun part, just like what happened in 1989.CheersTim

2010/1/2 Chris Noaro <chrisnoaro

 

 

 

 

The intellectual reasons are the only valid reasons in my opinion.

1. Cruelty is bad

2. Damaging your body and shortening your life is stupid

3. Ruining the planet you live on - also stupid

 

It's not people's minds (in isolation) that are causing them to adhere to a cruel and unhealthy diet. I think it's the fact that they're born into a world where it's the done thing and they get it hammered into them every day from family, peers and media that it's the normal and best way to eat and live. If people can become vegan through meditation, fine. But I confront people with 'slogans' and a different point of view they've never encountered before a lot. Do you think people are not capable of making rational informed decisions? Sure it's an uphill battle when they're conditioned from soon after birth, but I became vegan by being confronted with facts - by USING my mind, not by abandoning it.

 

 

I've heard it mentioned that Paul McCartney (and the other Beatles?) became veg after TM in 1968 or whatever, but is that really what happened? I've heard him claim that it was several things - watching Bambi, eating lamb while seeing lambs in a field, and/or fishing and realising he had taken the fish's life - whichever of these three it may have been, these are all to do with the workings of the conscious mind.

 

Granted, like you, I sometimes cringe at simplistic slogans such as Go Vegan, Meat Is Murder, Be Green Go Veg or whatever it is - but only because I think people have an easy and predictable response to them. Slogans themselves are not necessarily wrong at all. To say that we shouldn't convey any messages and just hope that everyone will miraculously attain some kind of advanced meditative consciousness doesn't make any sense to me.

 

As I said, if people can stop eating animal products after meditation, it's not a bad thing. But I think confronting injustice head-on is enormously important - just as various equal rights movements did. I think the movement is an easy target for ridicule simply because it's still small, not because of vociferous activists who shout slogans.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Tim Whitley

Veganzchat

Saturday, January 02, 2010 7:40 AM

[Veganzchat] meditation leading to vegetarianism

Hi JohannaThank you for mentioning this. I think this is a worthy discussion to continue. I find it interesting that regular deep meditation practices, without any beliefs at all, often lead to vegetarianism. I believe the TM organisation performed some studies on this many years ago. I went to learn an advanced technique after about a year of practising TM and was asked by the instructor as to how my diet was. When I told him as to what foods I was beginning to favour, not realising at the time that I had turned vegetarian, in addition to loosing interest in soda's, alcohol, and caffeinated drinks, I remember that he smiled and said "this is what they all say". So, there is certainly something to consider as to the state of the human condition. When thought becomes less cloudy, and more clear, then there seems to be a natural tendency to become vegetarian in many cases. Unless of course every day is a day of survival, like the Eskimos for example, who depend on eating seals and fish in order to survive and stay alive; but if there is a choice available, then it seems as though that getting in touch with pure consciousness on a regular basis should eventually lead the majority of mankind to a vegetarian lifestyle. In recent years I have attended and followed the teachings of the Oneness University, who's founder Sri Bhagavan once said "Your consciousness is in charge. The mind reacts to situations, consciousness responds. If you really see it, you will become free of the mind." So, I could look at this and say that the mind is what is leading a person to perform actions that are somewhat damaging to themselves and to their surroundings even when it is really not necessary to do so.I have seen many young people get started on a vegetarian diet, some based on things I have told them, but it turns out that in many cases they are vegetarian due to a fad type thing or just simply logic. Many of them may eventually leave and go back to their original diet; but, I can see whether it is for intellectual reasons or the other, any reason to go vegetarian is a good reason. However, the intellectual reasons are more likely the cause of the graffiti spray paint on walls that say "Go Vegan", which really gives us a bad image, as I really can't see anyone who regularly practices deep meditation doing that type of thing, or anything else that is radical, damaging, or insulting in nature. So, my thoughts on this is that it is harder to change a mind, where the mind actually can not be changed on an intellectual basis, therefore is makes more sense to become free of the mind, rather than try to change it, in order to see real change. I find myself changing every day, as in nature, change is the one thing that is consistent. This email forum is a very healthy thing as it is a great way to see how people are thinking these days on a common interest subject, and to expand upon

2009/12/27 yoginidorje <johannav

 

 

 

Hi Tim,I also stopped eating meat when I started a regular meditation practice- I just found that the taste of it became revolting. I've since become a Buddhist, so I don't believe in a creator God, nor do I believe in a universal life force- in fact there are no beliefs necessary in Buddhism at all,Johanna

Veganzchat , Tim Whitley <timbes wrote:>> All 7 billion people on the planet will all have 7 billion different> explanations or visualisations of God, which might just be Light or might> look like John Key. Or, as the Buddhist who don't believe in God, as they> say perhaps a universal life force, which you can call or visualise as> anything you like. All 7 billion will be the same with this because we are> all connected, but all will be different. It's just a fact, and is why> debates will never end it. I think these conversations are great this time> of year.> > I became vegetarian when I started meditating. Never understood why or how> it happened, I just lost interest in meat. Never gave it much thought until> I started reading other peoples perceptions, all of which became my reasons> over time as well. So, I guess I could say that I am Vegan for all> reasons.> > I spent a month in silence in an ashram in India, which will usually do the> trick with most people, or at least give it a good start. So, it is amazing> as to how getting in touch with consciousness will lead to this type of diet> so naturally.> > 2009/12/26 Shawn Durham <shawnd > > >> >> > Yes Black, I agree that Santa Claus is fictional and possibly ridiculous to> > argue otherwise, but I'm sure many philosophy students would enjoy exploring> > that subject. However, to my 4 year old daughter, and millions of other> > children around the world, Santa Claus is very real - and they are> > entitled to their beliefs, albeit immature ones, as much as anyone else.> >> > You have now stepped up your strong opinion and called believers of> > Christianity "Ignorant"!> >> > I seem to be banging my head against a brick wall here, and the topic is a> > little off track, so I rest my case here.> >> > Shawn> >> >> > ** Black <blackbeautynz> > *Sent:* Saturday, December 26, 2009 4:42 PM > > *To:* Veganzchat > > *Subject:* [Veganzchat] Re: How uninteresting> >> >> >> > OK how can I explain this to you... Let's use a Christmas example. It is> > not merely my opinion that Santa Clause does not exist - it is the truth and> > fact that Santa Clause is fictional. You may philosophically ask how do I> > know, but that's just being theoretical to the point of ridiculousness.> > Likewise with the Bible and Christianity. The only opinions, beliefs and> > thoughts on these subjects are ignorant ones, as you would say about someone> > who believes in Santa Clause.> >> >> > Veganzchat <Veganzchat%40>, "Shawn > > Durham" <shawnd@> wrote:> > > It was a philosophical approach for me to ask "How can you or anyone> > possibly know if the Bible is fiction"> > >> > > And this statement can be applied to absolutely anything because there is> > always the possibility that something can be found to be incorrect or> > fiction, even scientific laws such as The Theory of Relativity.> > >> > > However, it seems my point is not getting through to you. Again you have> > used words such as "truth" and "facts" in reference to your opinion of the> > Bible. Try slipping in words like " in my opinion ....., I believe ....., or> > my thoughts are ...."> >> > > >>

 

 

 

 

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