Guest guest Posted January 8, 2002 Report Share Posted January 8, 2002 *raises paw* i do, also a nut cheese book..but..to be honest..never used either of em i tend to cook by the seat of my drawers anyways..i have a bunch of cookbooks, but rarely will i follow a recipe...i tend to add wotever i think we will as i go cheers fraggle Talisman <talisman wrote: >Do any of you have the book " The Uncheese Cookbook " by Joanne Stepaniak? It contains some good alternatives for cheeses. Just a thought for those of you who are really hankering for cheese. > >Talisman > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2003 Report Share Posted February 4, 2003 Rennet, which is an enzyme used in many cheeses, is made from the stomach lining of cows, I believe. There are cheeses made from other enzymes. > ...eating cheese isnt even vegetarian. cheese has an > actual animal flesh inside it, in derivitive. I do not believe that statement is 100% correct. Eating cheese with animal-based rennet in it is not vegetarian. Cheese is available without rennet or without animal-based rennet, which, I think, is considered vegetarian, at least ova-lacto vegetarian. Information on rennet and vegetarian cheeses can be found here: <http://www.vegsoc.org/info/cheese.html> Gary Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 5, 2003 Report Share Posted June 5, 2003 diamyst wrote: > Buy Canadian Made cheese. ............. No growth hormones used > here yet. I didn't know that...thanks for sharing! :~) >...... We go through a lot of cheese. I really thought I would have a hard time giving up cheese........I ate it every day [for many years!]. but when I gave up dairy [hmm, uh~ a year or two ago........geeze, I cant remember how long it's been.....seems forever now!] it wasn't so hard after a couple days. Now, when it is served to me [with something I wasn't expecting it to be on] it actually tastes rather vulgar....like something spoiled. I find that pretty interesting............ ~Pixx ------ Books just wanna be FREE! See what I mean at: http://bookcrossing.com/friend/PHC ------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 16, 2003 Report Share Posted October 16, 2003 I don’t recommend milk, but if you must have it buy Organic Raw. When you are looking at liquids anything that has been pasteurized is Dead. Good Luck, Bruce The New with improved product search Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 16, 2003 Report Share Posted October 16, 2003 Well, not only that, but now you have to worry about Rgbh or is it rGBH? I think Horizon makes completely free rGBH organic milk if you have to drink it. Jesse - " Bruce Reid " <bwreid67 <rawfood > Thursday, October 16, 2003 1:05 PM Re: [Raw Food] Cheese I don’t recommend milk, but if you must have it buy Organic Raw. When you are looking at liquids anything that has been pasteurized is Dead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 16, 2003 Report Share Posted October 16, 2003 so no cheese is good 4 u? And yes I've heard of pasturized, but wasn't exactly sure what it meant? need a good definiton. studio53 <studio53 wrote:Well, not only that, but now you have to worry about Rgbh or is it rGBH? I think Horizon makes completely free rGBH organic milk if you have to drink it. Jesse - " Bruce Reid " To: Thursday, October 16, 2003 1:05 PM Re: [Raw Food] Cheese I don’t recommend milk, but if you must have it buy Organic Raw. When you are looking at liquids anything that has been pasteurized is Dead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 16, 2003 Report Share Posted October 16, 2003 They cook it to Death… They heat it to kill all of the natural enzymes so it can sit on a shelf longer. Less waste no nutrition, but more money in the retailer and farmers pocket. It doesn’t cost any more money well maybe a little, (better feed hopefully and no steroids) to produce raw organic milk; they just don’t have the shelf life. Hope this helps, I’m not a dairy farmer so don’t crucify me and hold me to every word. Since World War One the food industry has been killing food. PROCESSING Bruce The New with improved product search Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2003 Report Share Posted October 17, 2003 I hope it's okay to address the ethics of eating cheese, too. I don't mean to be offensive or preachy, but as a vegan in the process of transitioning to raw, my focus is on ethics first, and then health. Feel free to skip if ethical information is unwelcome. But first, a logical argument. Many people often argue for raw food as the most natural choice, pointing out that humans are the only species to cook their food. I agree, and I also want to note that humans are the only species to drink milk (or eat milk products) past infancy, and the only species to consume the milk of another species. Now onto ethics... In order to keep producing milk, a cow is continually impregnated throughout her productive life (most commonly 3 to 4 years in the US). Female calves, obviously, can be raised as dairy cows, but " surplus " calves are sold soon after birth into the veal industry. Today's dairy cows produce far more milk than in decades past; thus life is more uncomfortable for them, with an increased incidence of painful mastitis or infections. After being pushed quite hard to give an enormous amount of milk, a cow is sent to slaughter when she is no longer " productive " enough. In the United States, about 40% of hamburger is made from former dairy cows. Buying organic milk might not necessarily make a difference, because at least in the U.S., requirements for organic certification are directly related to animal feed, not animal treatment. Julie - " Bruce Reid " <bwreid67 <rawfood > Thursday, October 16, 2003 6:10 PM Re: [Raw Food] Cheese They cook it to Death. They heat it to kill all of the natural enzymes so it can sit on a shelf longer. Less waste no nutrition, but more money in the retailer and farmers pocket. It doesn't cost any more money well maybe a little, (better feed hopefully and no steroids) to produce raw organic milk; they just don't have the shelf life. Hope this helps, I'm not a dairy farmer so don't crucify me and hold me to every word. Since World War One the food industry has been killing food. PROCESSING Bruce The New with improved product search Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2003 Report Share Posted October 17, 2003 Not a pretty picture, Shame on all you Milk drinkers. If you must drink milk homemade nut milks are very tasty. I'll see if I can find my recipe for coconut milk. NO Not the milk that comes out there is more to it....... You'll love it Bruce The New with improved product search Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 8, 2003 Report Share Posted November 8, 2003 Gene, gotta agree with you there we may not like the same music but sharp cheddar rules. stay cool, Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 9, 2003 Report Share Posted November 9, 2003 Really? Well I am lacto-ovo and I still eat cheese; though I am cutting way back on it due to fat content and the suspect milk supply issues. Somedays I just crave a tunafish sandwich or a plate of fish & chips with lots of tartar sauce and malt vinegar! Mmmmm. I do find those Quorn brand chicken-like cutlets to help out with the fish & chips cravings. ~ PT ~ We must not overlook the role that extremists play. They are the gadflies that keep society from being too complacent. ~ Abraham Flexner ~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~~~~~~~~~~~~> , The Stewarts <stews9@c...> wrote: > For me it's been REAL cheese. Love it, especially very sharp Vermont > style cheddar and mouth-itching zingy Suisse / Swiss. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 9, 2003 Report Share Posted November 9, 2003 Triscuit, CB white NY sharp cheddar and a jalp slice or 2. Saltine, sharp cheddar or jack and dollups of Asian chile/garlic sauce. all interchangeable of course. nummy....mini-sammiches. would go well with Megan and PT stew and chile!! YEEEHAW!!! S. , " ~ PT ~ " <patchouli_troll> wrote: > Really? Well I am lacto-ovo and I still eat cheese; Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 12, 2003 Report Share Posted November 12, 2003 Can you suggest a product > that I can use to make grilled cheese? Yep, try Follow Your Heart brand vegan cheese. http://www.imearthkind.com/ It melts very well and is the best alternative. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 13, 2003 Report Share Posted November 13, 2003 Hi all! Thanks Sheryl for the link. It does look like a great alternative but there are no stores in my area that carry that brand and it would cost me $22 for them to ship it here. I guess the closest store is in Michigan. I will have to keep looking for something else since I can't afford that shipping cost. I guess it has to come overnight or 2 day. Thanks for the info though! --- Sheryl <ssarndt wrote: > Can you suggest a product > > that I can use to make grilled cheese? > > > Yep, try Follow Your Heart brand vegan cheese. > http://www.imearthkind.com/ > > It melts very well and is the best alternative. > > ===== Janet Protect your identity with Mail AddressGuard http://antispam./whatsnewfree Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 13, 2003 Report Share Posted November 13, 2003 You know, I had that same problem!!! I just emailed my local health food store and requested that they carry it and they did!! That's how I was able to try it. Wild Oats and Whole Foods have been less responsive to this request, so if I were you I would find a locally owned store and request it there. Sometimes they can even order you a case of it at a much cheaper price. Other than that, my personal opinion is that the other vegan cheese alternatives on the market are really bad. I don't like them at all. I would rather go without!! , kia <kia2_2> wrote: > Hi all! > Thanks Sheryl for the link. It does look like a great > alternative but there are no stores in my area that > carry that brand and it would cost me $22 for them to > ship it here. I guess the closest store is in > Michigan. I will have to keep looking for something > else since I can't afford that shipping cost. I guess > it has to come overnight or 2 day. > Thanks for the info though! > > --- Sheryl <ssarndt> wrote: > > Can you suggest a product > > > that I can use to make grilled cheese? > > > > > > Yep, try Follow Your Heart brand vegan cheese. > > http://www.imearthkind.com/ > > > > It melts very well and is the best alternative. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 14, 2003 Report Share Posted November 14, 2003 ----Original Message Follows---- kia <kia2_2 " it would cost me $22 for them to ship it here. I guess the closest store is in Michigan. I will have to keep looking for something else since I can't afford that shipping cost. I guess it has to come overnight or 2 day. Thanks for the info though! " Yeah...looks like it has to be refrigerated and has to ship 2nd day Brown Wagon to the majority of the U.S. Hope the packaging is lined with gold! Looks like they have some cool stuff though. Any others out there yall? I wonder if some of the veg cheeses that don't melt well could be mixed/added with a soy milk or something to help the properties melt...has anyone tried and/or experimented with such things? TIA S. _______________ From Beethoven to the Rolling Stones, your favorite music is always playing on MSN Radio Plus. No ads, no talk. Trial month FREE! http://join.msn.com/?page=offers/premiumradio Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 14, 2003 Report Share Posted November 14, 2003 I've been a vegan for about a year now and I can tell you that " follow your heart " is the only brand of vegan cheese i've tried that was any good. (I have tried toffuti slices, veganrella, chreese (nutritional yeast powder mix) and none of these have a really cheeselike consistancy or flavor. I only buy follow your heart occasionally because it is rather expensive, even at my local health food store. You may be able to special order it your health food store, or request that a grocer (i.e. Whole Foods) carry it. My advice to you, if you really want to go vegan is just give up dairy cheese completely. If you keep eating it, even occasionally (or even the soy cheese with casein, a milk protein) you will never rid yourself of the cravings for cheese. I'm an ex cheesehead from green bay wisconsin, so if i can give it up anyone can. After awhile, I stopped missing cheese and now the thought of eating rancid, puss-filled mammary secretions makes my stomach turn. Finding vegan food can be a little frustrating, because many products (even margarine and vegetarian fake meat) often have dairy or egg whites added. The most important thing to realize is that you don't need dairy in your diet. A vegan diet isn't necessarily any more expensive than a vegetarian one, as long as you don't get caught up in buying soy milk, soy cheese, and soy ice cream all of the time. Amy's and Bravisimo make some very good " roasted vegetable " frozen pizzas, w/o cheese, although it is probably cheaper to make your own. good luck! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 14, 2003 Report Share Posted November 14, 2003 I have noticed that if you cut veganrella in slices (like you would for " cheese and crackers " ) as opposed to grating it for a pizza, it does tend to melt better. Unfortunately, it has a bitter, ricey aftertaste I just can't get used to. " Chreese " brand " mozarella " mix actually melts okay if you follow the directions, but I am just not too crazy about the taste of nutritional yeast. Has anyone ever tried Yves " good slices " ? alas, none of my stores carry them, but Yves brand is usually good. , " _- matrixenos -_ " <matrixenos@h...> wrote: > Looks like they have some cool stuff though. Any others out there yall? I > wonder if some of the veg cheeses that don't melt well could be mixed/added > with a soy milk or something to help the properties melt...has anyone tried > and/or experimented with such things? TIA > > S. > > _______________ > From Beethoven to the Rolling Stones, your favorite music is always playing > on MSN Radio Plus. No ads, no talk. Trial month FREE! > http://join.msn.com/?page=offers/premiumradio Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 15, 2003 Report Share Posted November 15, 2003 I have to admit that I REALLY like the Macaroni and Chreeze products. Doesn't particularly taste like cheese to me, but I like nutritional yeast, and I think the product is very yummy with fresh tomato and avocado chopped up in it (of course, is there anything that isn't good with avocado <g>)? Overall, however, I agree that the best thing is to just give up cheese & " cheese " cold turkey, at least for awhile. I still get the occasional craving, although thinking about what it is usually gets me to stop wanting it. If I'm in a " Cheesy mood, " I usually just make some homemade tofu scramble, which is faintly reminiscent of a cheesy egg scramble, and I'm fine. I'll try to remember to post the " recipe " tomorrow, although I'll have to guess-timate because it's kind of a " throw a bunch of stuff in a pan and stirfry " kind of dish. --- dave <dave4sale wrote: > " Chreese " > brand " mozarella " mix > actually melts okay if you follow the directions, > but I am just not > too crazy about the taste of nutritional yeast. Protect your identity with Mail AddressGuard http://antispam./whatsnewfree Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2004 Report Share Posted January 5, 2004 Pickles have animal products in them? Explain please... Karen , Sant & Brown <santbrown@l...> wrote: > > > > Cheese is another interesting one. I know that much of it contains > > animal rennet, so is not even vegetarian. So, if it was made with > > cheese containing animal rennet, you also did the right thing! > > Yeah, for years I blinked at cheese and the animal rennet in it. It's a > problem. Most processed foods have something animal about them - even > pickles. Again, one must make the decision to do the best one can. It's > not just vegetarianism or veganism that occupies one's mind after all. > There's also 'fair trade' - we buy organic fair trade coffee beans, > organic fair trade tea - but I'm not sure I can guarantee that those > employed are always 'adults' by our standards or that no animals have > been employed in the transport of some of the produce, etc. :=) And of > course, tea and coffee in restaurants is another deal. And there's the > problem of supporting regimes, by trade, with which one might have > personal disagreement. And and and. > > Perfection, fortunately, is unattainable. > > Best, > Pat > -- > SANTBROWN@L... > townhounds/ > vegetarianslimming/ > HOMEPAGE: http://www.angelfire.com/art/pendragon/ > ---------- > * " There are too many idiots in this world. And having said it, I have > the burden of proving it. " (Franz Fanon) > * " Until he extends the circle of compassion to all living things, man > will not himself find peace. " (Albert Schweitzer) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 6, 2004 Report Share Posted January 6, 2004 > > Pickles have animal products in them? Explain please... > Karen > Evidently it's about the lactic acid :=( But don't ask me more cuz I dunno. Practically everything you eat that is not fresh picked can have some animal product in it (some stuff can be from either plants or animals, but who's to be sure which, etc.) - whether it's the shellac on some fruit, the lactic acid, the casein or whey, the food dyes like cochineal, etc etc. All very difficult for the strictest of vegetarians, which I am discovering I am not cut out to be. Best, Pat -- SANTBROWN townhounds/ vegetarianslimming/ HOMEPAGE: http://www.angelfire.com/art/pendragon/ ---------- * " There are too many idiots in this world. And having said it, I have the burden of proving it. " (Franz Fanon) * " Until he extends the circle of compassion to all living things, man will not himself find peace. " (Albert Schweitzer) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2004 Report Share Posted January 7, 2004 not all lactic acid is derived from dairy. I'm not sure about pickles, but if the label says " parve " or " pareve " then it should be dairy free. parve means folks who keep kosher can add either dairy or meat to it. , Sant & Brown <santbrown@l...> wrote: > > > > Pickles have animal products in them? Explain please... > > Karen > > > > Evidently it's about the lactic acid :=( But don't ask me more cuz I > dunno. Practically everything you eat that is not fresh picked can have > some animal product in it (some stuff can be from either plants or > animals, but who's to be sure which, etc.) - whether it's the shellac on > some fruit, the lactic acid, the casein or whey, the food dyes like > cochineal, etc etc. All very difficult for the strictest of vegetarians, > which I am discovering I am not cut out to be. > > Best, > Pat > -- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2004 Report Share Posted January 8, 2004 > if the label says " parve " or " pareve " then it should be > dairy free. parve means folks who keep kosher can add either dairy > or meat to it. Ahah! So I'll look for that on the label when searching for pickles and other condiments containing 'lactic acid'. Nice tip. Thanks. Best, Pat -- SANTBROWN townhounds/ vegetarianslimming/ HOMEPAGE: http://www.angelfire.com/art/pendragon/ ---------- * " There are too many idiots in this world. And having said it, I have the burden of proving it. " (Franz Fanon) * " Until he extends the circle of compassion to all living things, man will not himself find peace. " (Albert Schweitzer) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 14, 2004 Report Share Posted January 14, 2004 FYI, Lactic Acid is not necessarily animal sourced. --- Sant & Brown <santbrown wrote: > > if the label says " parve " or " pareve " then it > should be > > dairy free. parve means folks who keep kosher can > add either dairy > > or meat to it. > > Ahah! So I'll look for that on the label when > searching for pickles and > other condiments containing 'lactic acid'. Nice tip. > Thanks. > > Best, > Pat > -- > SANTBROWN > townhounds/ > vegetarianslimming/ > HOMEPAGE: http://www.angelfire.com/art/pendragon/ > ---------- > * " There are too many idiots in this world. And > having said it, I have > the burden of proving it. " (Franz Fanon) > * " Until he extends the circle of compassion to all > living things, man > will not himself find peace. " (Albert Schweitzer) > Hotjobs: Enter the " Signing Bonus " Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes./signingbonus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 30, 2004 Report Share Posted March 30, 2004 LaDonna!!! You are back. Did you have a nice time? Missed you. Things were very quiet without you - smile. Do you think Sandi would mind if I shared this on GFCFRecipes? BL Tea Cozy wrote: >Forwarded for Sandi: > >Cheese > >Very few things are sacrosanct in this day, and cheese must now be classed >among those things that have lost their halo. Cheese has been used for at >least 4,000 years, > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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