Guest guest Posted December 27, 2003 Report Share Posted December 27, 2003 Dear Liz, I am so glad that you have been doing this significant and tough task for our best/loyal friends----dogs. the only friends that they wont choose us weather we are ugly or not. their higest love to us should be appreciated and honoured but not killed and tortured in this way!!!!NO!!! animals are programmed to help us to build up our love, to awaken our passions in our life!!!! how could the purest and loyalest love be treated in such way and pain!!!! GOD can u open your eyes and watch !!!! look at these people how they kill our own life! how they destroy the love inside us!!! i feel the pain as i am one of them, i could see the hopelessness in their eyes! we are part of the world, we dont live here on our own, animals are our life-guards, our teachers, our friends, and our neigbours, how could we treat our friends like this??!!! how could people have no feelings of pain?! how we treat the world and other lives is how we treat ourselves! it is very sad and heart breaking to watch and read, but i agree that these pictures MUST be posted in order to let more people to see the stories behind animal furs and dog meat! how they suffered to die, how they were skinned alive!!!! this is absolutely a SIN and GUILT! humen are creating the sad world for themselves! we are destryoing our own planet!!! our heart and our soul!!!! you should let more and more peole watch and read your site, let them know apart from wearing a fur, they are wearing a hoplesness, pain, suffer, betraied friendship, cold-blooded torture, sin, guilt, ignorance, of which the sadest thing: an clear mirror reflecting their evil hearts! Liz, please accept my sincerest appreciations for all you have done to reduce the pain, and suffer! your kindness has brightened up our soiled hearts and let us watch clearly what the reality is behind the fur!!! Please keep on your goood work till the day people see animals equally as we human, teach them we are nothing superior! teach those people how to respact lives! is there anything i could do rather than siting here??? i am going to forward your site. pls keep me notified and informed! and i just want to let know that your efforts will make the european governments to ban this tragic animal fur tardes and this barbaric skin-alive slaugter will cease! love will come to the world! love will eventually brigten up the land pf sins! believe yourself and believe you have that power!!! i am always on your side !!!!! billion thanks and best regards!! jj Liz Hastings <lhastings wrote: Hello Jeremy, I am responding to your message's regarding the articles and others similar to " Beijing: Dog Slaughtering Scene in Shuny " like you, I felt very sad after reading it, and I also felt a bit angry that the sender had posted it but didn't say what could be done about it. A year ago I found that dogs are being " literally " skinned alive by the million in China for their fur and skin, cats also are killed in gruesome ways, then turned into products that are shipped to Europe. At that time, I had d to this list hoping to find someone or a group who was trying to get this stopped but there wasn't any, I then wrote to the international organisations and they wrote back that they already campaigned enough issues and couldnt take on any more, so I wrote to Animals Asia , but they said they only campaign against bear bile farming & dogs for food, I could see no difference between dogs being boiled alive for meat, or being skinned alive for their fur, so I formed a website www.voice4dogs.org to expose what was happening and try to get dog/cat fur stopped, other people shocked at this horror joined me and now after a year of campaigning there is a significant achiement - on 20/12/2003 the European Parliament officially approved a Written Declaration to ban dog/cat fur. We are waiting until after Xmas to see how events unfold, because pressure will maybe still have to be put on government's until the ban is in action. Voice 4 Dogs is based in the UK and our focus is on helping dogs and cats in China. The reason I'm writing this is because you sound like you desperately want to help animals, and want to join others with the same goal, after the ban has gone into actual action on dog and cat fur - our intentions is to get street dogs from wandering the streets in China sent to the UK where we could rehome them after quarantine here, but to do this we would need the help of someone living in China, if you feel you would like to work with us to help dogs in China, please let me know. Best regards Sandra Voice 4 Dogs §Ú¤£·|°Ûºq¡B¦n¤ß¦n³ø¡B¥X½æ... ®öº©¹aÁn ±¡¤ß³sô http://ringtone..hk/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 28, 2003 Report Share Posted December 28, 2003 Liz, Excellent news that the European Parliament will make a declaration banning trade in dog fur. What will be the effect of the declaration? Will it ultimately translate to law? The European Union has wide power to regulate trading and this would seem something that could be dealt with by a law at the EU level rather than leaving it to individual member countries to enact their domestic law. If the EU or domestic countries need a nudge to outlaw dog/cat fur is it worthwhile enlisting the tabloid press (the UK Sun, Mirror etc)? I guess that you have probably already taken this on board. Best wishes, Chris Osborn Perth, Australia - " jeremy chung " <jeremy_hkg2002 Liz, " Liz Hastings " <lhastings Cc: <aapn > Saturday, December 27, 2003 10:58 PM Re: Re Helping Animals Dear Liz, I am so glad that you have been doing this significant and tough task for our best/loyal friends----dogs. the only friends that they wont choose us weather we are ugly or not. their higest love to us should be appreciated and honoured but not killed and tortured in this way!!!!NO!!! animals are programmed to help us to build up our love, to awaken our passions in our life!!!! how could the purest and loyalest love be treated in such way and pain!!!! GOD can u open your eyes and watch !!!! look at these people how they kill our own life! how they destroy the love inside us!!! i feel the pain as i am one of them, i could see the hopelessness in their eyes! we are part of the world, we dont live here on our own, animals are our life-guards, our teachers, our friends, and our neigbours, how could we treat our friends like this??!!! how could people have no feelings of pain?! how we treat the world and other lives is how we treat ourselves! it is very sad and heart breaking to watch and read, but i agree that these pictures MUST be posted in order to let more people to see the stories behind animal furs and dog meat! how they suffered to die, how they were skinned alive!!!! this is absolutely a SIN and GUILT! humen are creating the sad world for themselves! we are destryoing our own planet!!! our heart and our soul!!!! you should let more and more peole watch and read your site, let them know apart from wearing a fur, they are wearing a hoplesness, pain, suffer, betraied friendship, cold-blooded torture, sin, guilt, ignorance, of which the sadest thing: an clear mirror reflecting their evil hearts! Liz, please accept my sincerest appreciations for all you have done to reduce the pain, and suffer! your kindness has brightened up our soiled hearts and let us watch clearly what the reality is behind the fur!!! Please keep on your goood work till the day people see animals equally as we human, teach them we are nothing superior! teach those people how to respact lives! is there anything i could do rather than siting here??? i am going to forward your site. pls keep me notified and informed! and i just want to let know that your efforts will make the european governments to ban this tragic animal fur tardes and this barbaric skin-alive slaugter will cease! love will come to the world! love will eventually brigten up the land pf sins! believe yourself and believe you have that power!!! i am always on your side !!!!! billion thanks and best regards!! jj Liz Hastings <lhastings wrote: Hello Jeremy, I am responding to your message's regarding the articles and others similar to " Beijing: Dog Slaughtering Scene in Shuny " like you, I felt very sad after reading it, and I also felt a bit angry that the sender had posted it but didn't say what could be done about it. A year ago I found that dogs are being " literally " skinned alive by the million in China for their fur and skin, cats also are killed in gruesome ways, then turned into products that are shipped to Europe. At that time, I had d to this list hoping to find someone or a group who was trying to get this stopped but there wasn't any, I then wrote to the international organisations and they wrote back that they already campaigned enough issues and couldnt take on any more, so I wrote to Animals Asia , but they said they only campaign against bear bile farming & dogs for food, I could see no difference between dogs being boiled alive for meat, or being skinned alive for their fur, so I formed a website www.voice4dogs.org to expose what was happening and try to get dog/cat fur stopped, other people shocked at this horror joined me and now after a year of campaigning there is a significant achiement - on 20/12/2003 the European Parliament officially approved a Written Declaration to ban dog/cat fur. We are waiting until after Xmas to see how events unfold, because pressure will maybe still have to be put on government's until the ban is in action. Voice 4 Dogs is based in the UK and our focus is on helping dogs and cats in China. The reason I'm writing this is because you sound like you desperately want to help animals, and want to join others with the same goal, after the ban has gone into actual action on dog and cat fur - our intentions is to get street dogs from wandering the streets in China sent to the UK where we could rehome them after quarantine here, but to do this we would need the help of someone living in China, if you feel you would like to work with us to help dogs in China, please let me know. Best regards Sandra Voice 4 Dogs §Ú¤£·|°Ûºq¡B¦n¤ß¦n³ø¡B¥X½æ... ®öº©¹aÁn ±¡¤ß³sô http://ringtone..hk/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2003 Report Share Posted December 29, 2003 Dear Liz and Jeremy - and everyone else! Thank you for your letters to AAPN. It is a news AND discussion group and you are right that all too often there is miserable news and no obvious way of helping. But from time to time there is discussion - more often, which is a pity, off-line than on-line - which results in plans being formed and organisations set up to DO SOMETHING to find a solution to a particular problem. Yes, it is not enough just to hear news - but hearing the news is an essential first step. AAPN is only involved in this first step but hopes that the knowledge and ideas it disseminates will result in some people taking some constructive action. I would like to start a discussion on Liz's idea of exporting street dogs from China to UK. As far as I know, no one has exported Mainland Chinese dogs in any systematic way - though quite a number of dogs have been rescued and exported over the years by individuals. In Taiwan, an American teenager called Mina Sharpe organised Taipei Abandoned Animal Rescue Foundation. This has been criticised as a poor use of resources in that a lot of money is needed for transportation which perhaps could be better spent on encouraging local long term solutions. On the other hand the publicity involved raises more awareness and funds - and of course many individuals are benefited. http://www.geocities.com/t-aarf/main.html What do readers think? John, Web Manager, AAPN. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2003 Report Share Posted December 29, 2003 Dear everyone, i dun want to express my opion if it is a high cost transportation of abandoned dogs, bcos i believe that world is so subtle. sometimes we may do something we cant explain and in doubt, but this would actually help us eventually in achieving what we are trying to do. and indeed, at least this has drawn all my attentions to read carefully what and why they are doing this way, and it does attract a lot animals lovers's concerns! to me, i will think it really touch my heart as in this world, we will see all normal things as usually and we just dun even care to glance, but if we see a fat woman with no clothes but paint on all her body, we are not actually looking at her, we are actually looking at something diferent from our views, and this will attract our attentions and make us think in deep. i dun know to other cities , but to mine in hongkong, peopel wont look at anything that is not related to money nor anything that doesnt benfit them, if you want them to look at some very usual flyers or tv ad, i doubt if they care! i believe that no matter what we are doing , we are always gaining others' " for " & " against " . bcos we all ahve different views and we all see the world differently. and there is one thing i believe truely: no matter how much money they spent on saving the animals, there will always be helpers and donation to support their actions, bcos money is from the universe and it doesnt belongs to anyone of us in the world, and universe will do anything that helps humen to evolve and balance thhe world! jj Dr John Wedderburn <john wrote: Dear Liz and Jeremy - and everyone else! Thank you for your letters to AAPN. It is a news AND discussion group and you are right that all too often there is miserable news and no obvious way of helping. But from time to time there is discussion - more often, which is a pity, off-line than on-line - which results in plans being formed and organisations set up to DO SOMETHING to find a solution to a particular problem. Yes, it is not enough just to hear news - but hearing the news is an essential first step. AAPN is only involved in this first step but hopes that the knowledge and ideas it disseminates will result in some people taking some constructive action. I would like to start a discussion on Liz's idea of exporting street dogs from China to UK. As far as I know, no one has exported Mainland Chinese dogs in any systematic way - though quite a number of dogs have been rescued and exported over the years by individuals. In Taiwan, an American teenager called Mina Sharpe organised Taipei Abandoned Animal Rescue Foundation. This has been criticised as a poor use of resources in that a lot of money is needed for transportation which perhaps could be better spent on encouraging local long term solutions. On the other hand the publicity involved raises more awareness and funds - and of course many individuals are benefited. http://www.geocities.com/t-aarf/main.html What do readers think? John, Web Manager, AAPN. For more information on Asian animal issues, please use the search feature on the AAPN website: http://www.aapn.org/ or search the list archives at: aapn Please feel free to send any relevant news or comments to the list at aapn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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