Guest guest Posted April 18, 2002 Report Share Posted April 18, 2002 Hey Peter, I fast with juices, and I've heard that water fasting can be dangerous. Tell me how you were able to function for 28 days with only water?! I'm curious about your experience. Regina --- petergardiner wrote: > Roger, > > Am interested by your remarks on hydrotherapy. > > I went on a 28 day water fast which in my case was > a huge success. However if I had not had my gut > washed once a week, > I think the benefit would have been diminished. The > notion of having > recycled material passing through for 28 days was at > that time > easy to avoid. > > As I went into the last week, the hydro therapist > suggested some > potion to restore healthy colonic bacteria which I > bought for some > $50. I did all that but for at least three weeks > afterwards the > chemistry of my gut had changed. That was manifest > by the total > lack of a need for toilet paper! I am told that > when elephants > find the need they swallow some starting > biochemistry from > their kind. > > I have not read the works of Dr. Graham whom I > respect enormously > from a distance. I will read his writings but > wonder on the > basic worry about hydrotherapy. > > Peter Gardiner > > > Roger Haeske [roger] > 18 April 2002 16:23 > rawfood > [Raw Food] Colon Hydrotherapy Dangers > > > Hi Folks, > > I’ve been reading some posts recommending colon > hydrotherapy. I'd like > to give you all a warning on the possible dangers of > doing this. This > info is according to Dr. Graham. Dr. Graham feels > Colonic Irrigations > are a dangerous thing. He has met more than one > person who after having > done these colonics could no longer go to bathroom > on their own. > > In fact the only way for them to eliminate became > doing a colonic. Image > not being able to go to the bathroom. He said in > treating patients for > 10 years he never met one that needed a colonic. > Only once did he help a > patient do an enema. > > Your body will naturally clean out the junk in it > when you eat a 100% > raw diet. I think you would be better off with using > products that clean > you out with psyllium or something of that nature. > > I know some raw foodists who have never had this > done. It is not > necessary and could possibly be quite dangerous. Dr. > Graham mentioned > several other problems people had but I don't > remember them anymore. He > was quite adamant on this issue and quite a fight > with the Colonics > proponents in NYC. > > Be careful, Roger Haeske > > P.S. Would you like to get a Free 6 Step Technique > to Gradually > Transition to a Raw Diet, go to > http://superbeing.com/awesometechnique.htm > > Regina wrote: > > >>The colon hydrotherapy is critical because it > cleans out old debris > and restores health in the colon. This > allows the organs to eliminate mucous and toxins. > It's quite amazing.<< > > Hi Regina, > > Isn't this quite embarassing to have done? Could > you explain the > process a little bit here or to me in a private > email? Is it very > expensive? Do you see interesting things come out > of you? > > Thanks, > Sharon > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2002 Report Share Posted April 23, 2002 Regina Sorry to be so slow answering but clearly your message has only just reached my scrutiny. I was 55 at the time and I do not work in the sense that I go to an office or have a fixed schedule. Thus there was little to fear and much to gain. I have and still have plaque in my arteries. My thinking was that if I could send my body into a scavenge mode it might clear the plaque to some degree out of my arteries. Previously I had done short juice fasts and a full ten day water fast some six months before starting the 28 day job. In addition I had read quite a bit about the subject on the Internet. There were many warnings from medics saying take medical counsel etc. Chiefly the symptoms to be expected are those of rapid detoxification with some extras, none of which I felt to any significant degree. Three medics I met uttered words about starving myself and thus I decided to forgo their advice. If I started to get into a mess, I would either break the fast or land myself on a medic and listen to the sermon. As a generalisation medics know a great deal about symptoms and quick fix treatments and surprisingly little about diet. I read that distilled water was the best and as I could not find Evian water which is close, I found some other benign bottled water. I drank about two litres a day but just enough to be comfortable. I drank it at meal times and whenever I felt a little hunger nagging in the background. As I mentioned earlier, I had a full colonic wash once a week which I felt was helpful. I have not and do not plan another such wash unless I go on another fast. I am not qualified to make the case for cleaning out the gut when on a fast and can only say it makes one feel a lot better after the event. The effect of the fasting was that I immediately went into ketosis and over the 28 days my weight dropped from about 65 or 70 kilos down to a final low of 49 kilos. There was still some fat on my body but not much at the end. The body stores fat in many places. Three weeks later my cardio vascular doctor told me that I has fat around my heart. Although I was as thin as a rake a some sort of sonic or other test revealed this presence. However, my blood thinned and circulation improved immediately. My wits and senses were sharpened although sustained concentration was down. I could smell food at 200 yards. The stamina was reduced but I walked an hours every day without forcing the pace. In the last few days, I felt all pressure on my blood circulation had gone. It was as though my circulation problems had disappeared completely. However I also became weak and had not the strength to run. A friend said I has an Auschwitz look to my sunken eyes. Finally I broke off it in the reverse of the approach. At the time of entry, I was not completely raw. I cut all forms of meat for one day. then vegetables and fruit for another day and then finally a bit of juice for a third day before starting day one of the fast. It is now six moths ago but I can say it was a great experience which all people should go through. More than half of Africa goes through it regularly on an enforced basis. In northern Europe hunger and starvation were regular events until very recent history. The body knows when it is going into a fast or starvation mode and copes very well. Human beings have been going through fasts for millions of years. Lent merely formalizes what nature ordained - Easter is the time that fresh food arrives. Ramadan serves the same purpose. To miss out on a long fast is to miss out on a dimension in life. Only those who have done it can know. Going on a fast and starvation are two completely different notions. That fast kicked my right into a 100% raw food diet which has transformed both my body and my life. The same food that I ate before tastes different. Old ideas of throwing olive oil and lemon over a green leaves are just a memory. Others have already extolled the benefits of going raw but the fast root in is to start with a fast. David Wolfe sees a place for a fast for restoring the balance of a body and a diet. I note the caveats mentioned below of Dr. Graham's findings on colonics. In my case, I was well prepared mentally and physically and thus had no problems at all. It was a one way all positive experience. I hope this goes some way to answering your interest in the experience of fasting. Peter Regina DeLuca [regdeluca] 18 April 2002 20:44 rawfood [Raw Food] Water Fasting Hey Peter, I fast with juices, and I've heard that water fasting can be dangerous. Tell me how you were able to function for 28 days with only water?! I'm curious about your experience. Regina --- petergardiner wrote: > Roger, > > Am interested by your remarks on hydrotherapy. > > I went on a 28 day water fast which in my case was > a huge success. However if I had not had my gut > washed once a week, > I think the benefit would have been diminished. The > notion of having > recycled material passing through for 28 days was at > that time > easy to avoid. > > As I went into the last week, the hydro therapist > suggested some > potion to restore healthy colonic bacteria which I > bought for some > $50. I did all that but for at least three weeks > afterwards the > chemistry of my gut had changed. That was manifest > by the total > lack of a need for toilet paper! I am told that > when elephants > find the need they swallow some starting > biochemistry from > their kind. > > I have not read the works of Dr. Graham whom I > respect enormously > from a distance. I will read his writings but > wonder on the > basic worry about hydrotherapy. > > Peter Gardiner > > > Roger Haeske [roger] > 18 April 2002 16:23 > rawfood > [Raw Food] Colon Hydrotherapy Dangers > > > Hi Folks, > > I’ve been reading some posts recommending colon > hydrotherapy. I'd like > to give you all a warning on the possible dangers of > doing this. This > info is according to Dr. Graham. Dr. Graham feels > Colonic Irrigations > are a dangerous thing. He has met more than one > person who after having > done these colonics could no longer go to bathroom > on their own. > > In fact the only way for them to eliminate became > doing a colonic. Image > not being able to go to the bathroom. He said in > treating patients for > 10 years he never met one that needed a colonic. > Only once did he help a > patient do an enema. > > Your body will naturally clean out the junk in it > when you eat a 100% > raw diet. I think you would be better off with using > products that clean > you out with psyllium or something of that nature. > > I know some raw foodists who have never had this > done. It is not > necessary and could possibly be quite dangerous. Dr. > Graham mentioned > several other problems people had but I don't > remember them anymore. He > was quite adamant on this issue and quite a fight > with the Colonics > proponents in NYC. > > Be careful, Roger Haeske > > P.S. Would you like to get a Free 6 Step Technique > to Gradually > Transition to a Raw Diet, go to > http://superbeing.com/awesometechnique.htm > > Regina wrote: > > >>The colon hydrotherapy is critical because it > cleans out old debris > and restores health in the colon. This > allows the organs to eliminate mucous and toxins. > It's quite amazing.<< > > Hi Regina, > > Isn't this quite embarassing to have done? Could > you explain the > process a little bit here or to me in a private > email? Is it very > expensive? Do you see interesting things come out > of you? > > Thanks, > Sharon > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 24, 2002 Report Share Posted April 24, 2002 Peter, Wow! That's quite amazing. I wish I had the lifestyle that would allow me to do that. Thanks so much for the detailed explanation. I can imagine that your taste for whole, raw food would heighten after. I'm sure that your arteries cleaned out a good deal. Personally I need to shrink a number of inflamed lymph nodes surrounding my neck and thryroid glands. Each time I juice fast I notice improvements. Jesus fasted for 40 days! He was obviously setting an example that so many of his followers disregard today. What would we do with a world without disease? Regina --- petergardiner wrote: > > Regina > > Sorry to be so slow answering but clearly your > message > has only just reached my scrutiny. > > I was 55 at the time and I do not work in the sense > that > I go to an office or have a fixed schedule. Thus > there was > little to fear and much to gain. > > I have and still have plaque in my arteries. My > thinking was that > if I could send my body into a scavenge mode it > might clear the > plaque to some degree out of my arteries. > > Previously I had done short juice fasts and a full > ten day water > fast some six months before starting the 28 day job. > In addition > I had read quite a bit about the subject on the > Internet. There > were many warnings from medics saying take medical > counsel etc. > Chiefly the symptoms to be expected are those of > rapid detoxification > with some extras, none of which I felt to any > significant degree. > > Three medics I met uttered words about starving > myself and thus I > decided to forgo their advice. If I started to get > into a mess, > I would either break the fast or land myself on a > medic and listen > to the sermon. As a generalisation medics know a > great deal about > symptoms and quick fix treatments and surprisingly > little about > diet. > > I read that distilled water was the best and as I > could not > find Evian water which is close, I found some other > benign > bottled water. I drank about two litres a day but > just enough > to be comfortable. I drank it at meal times and > whenever > I felt a little hunger nagging in the background. As > I mentioned > earlier, I had a full colonic wash once a week which > I felt was > helpful. I have not and do not plan another such > wash unless > I go on another fast. I am not qualified to make > the case for > cleaning out the gut when on a fast and can only say > it makes one > feel a lot better after the event. > > The effect of the fasting was that I immediately > went into ketosis > and over the 28 days my weight dropped from about 65 > or 70 kilos > down to a final low of 49 kilos. There was still > some fat on my body > but not much at the end. The body stores fat in many > places. Three > weeks later my cardio vascular doctor told me that I > has fat around > my heart. Although I was as thin as a rake a some > sort of sonic > or other test revealed this presence. > > However, my blood thinned and circulation improved > immediately. My > wits and senses were sharpened although sustained > concentration was > down. I could smell food at 200 yards. The stamina > was reduced but > I walked an hours every day without forcing the > pace. In the last > few days, I felt all pressure on my blood > circulation had gone. > It was as though my circulation problems had > disappeared completely. > However I also became weak and had not the strength > to run. A friend > said I has an Auschwitz look to my sunken eyes. > > Finally I broke off it in the reverse of the > approach. At the > time of entry, I was not completely raw. I cut all > forms of meat for > one day. then vegetables and fruit for another day > and then finally > a bit of juice for a third day before starting day > one of the fast. > > It is now six moths ago but I can say it was a great > experience which > all people should go through. More than half of > Africa goes through it > regularly on an enforced basis. In northern Europe > hunger and starvation > were regular events until very recent history. The > body knows when > it is going into a fast or starvation mode and copes > very well. Human > beings have been going through fasts for millions of > years. Lent merely > > formalizes what nature ordained - Easter is the time > that fresh food > arrives. > Ramadan serves the same purpose. > > To miss out on a long fast is to miss out on a > dimension in life. Only > those who have done it can know. Going on a fast > and starvation are > two > completely different notions. > > That fast kicked my right into a 100% raw food diet > which has > transformed > both my body and my life. The same food that I ate > before tastes > different. > Old ideas of throwing olive oil and lemon over a > green leaves are just a > memory. > > Others have already extolled the benefits of going > raw but the fast root > in is to start with a fast. David Wolfe sees a place > for a fast for > restoring the balance of a body and a diet. > > I note the caveats mentioned below of Dr. Graham's > findings on colonics. > > In my case, I was well prepared mentally and > physically and thus had no > problems at all. It was a one way all positive > experience. > > I hope this goes some way to answering your interest > in the experience > of > fasting. > > Peter > > Regina DeLuca [regdeluca] > 18 April 2002 20:44 > rawfood > [Raw Food] Water Fasting > > > Hey Peter, > > I fast with juices, and I've heard that water > fasting > can be dangerous. Tell me how you were able to > function for 28 days with only water?! I'm curious > about your experience. > > Regina > > --- petergardiner wrote: > > Roger, > > > > Am interested by your remarks on hydrotherapy. > > > > I went on a 28 day water fast which in my case was > > a huge success. However if I had not had my gut > > washed once a week, > > I think the benefit would have been diminished. > The > > notion of having > > recycled material passing through for 28 days was > at > > that time > > easy to avoid. > > > > As I went into the last week, the hydro therapist > > suggested some > > potion to restore healthy colonic bacteria which I > > bought for some > > $50. I did all that but for at least three weeks > > afterwards the > > chemistry of my gut had changed. That was > manifest > > by the total > > lack of a need for toilet paper! I am told that > === message truncated === Games - play chess, backgammon, pool and more http://games./ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 24, 2002 Report Share Posted April 24, 2002 Regina, Here is a little ditty for you. During the time of the Irish hunger strikes in English prisons, a medic was totally convinced that one inmate had added 10 years to his life by going on the strike! Peter Regina DeLuca [regdeluca] 24 April 2002 20:09 rawfood RE: [Raw Food] Water Fasting Peter, Wow! That's quite amazing. I wish I had the lifestyle that would allow me to do that. Thanks so much for the detailed explanation. I can imagine that your taste for whole, raw food would heighten after. I'm sure that your arteries cleaned out a good deal. Personally I need to shrink a number of inflamed lymph nodes surrounding my neck and thryroid glands. Each time I juice fast I notice improvements. Jesus fasted for 40 days! He was obviously setting an example that so many of his followers disregard today. What would we do with a world without disease? Regina --- petergardiner wrote: > > Regina > > Sorry to be so slow answering but clearly your > message > has only just reached my scrutiny. > > I was 55 at the time and I do not work in the sense > that > I go to an office or have a fixed schedule. Thus > there was > little to fear and much to gain. > > I have and still have plaque in my arteries. My > thinking was that > if I could send my body into a scavenge mode it > might clear the > plaque to some degree out of my arteries. > > Previously I had done short juice fasts and a full > ten day water > fast some six months before starting the 28 day job. > In addition > I had read quite a bit about the subject on the > Internet. There > were many warnings from medics saying take medical > counsel etc. > Chiefly the symptoms to be expected are those of > rapid detoxification > with some extras, none of which I felt to any > significant degree. > > Three medics I met uttered words about starving > myself and thus I > decided to forgo their advice. If I started to get > into a mess, > I would either break the fast or land myself on a > medic and listen > to the sermon. As a generalisation medics know a > great deal about > symptoms and quick fix treatments and surprisingly > little about > diet. > > I read that distilled water was the best and as I > could not > find Evian water which is close, I found some other > benign > bottled water. I drank about two litres a day but > just enough > to be comfortable. I drank it at meal times and > whenever > I felt a little hunger nagging in the background. As > I mentioned > earlier, I had a full colonic wash once a week which > I felt was > helpful. I have not and do not plan another such > wash unless > I go on another fast. I am not qualified to make > the case for > cleaning out the gut when on a fast and can only say > it makes one > feel a lot better after the event. > > The effect of the fasting was that I immediately > went into ketosis > and over the 28 days my weight dropped from about 65 > or 70 kilos > down to a final low of 49 kilos. There was still > some fat on my body > but not much at the end. The body stores fat in many > places. Three > weeks later my cardio vascular doctor told me that I > has fat around > my heart. Although I was as thin as a rake a some > sort of sonic > or other test revealed this presence. > > However, my blood thinned and circulation improved immediately. My > wits and senses were sharpened although sustained > concentration was > down. I could smell food at 200 yards. The stamina > was reduced but > I walked an hours every day without forcing the > pace. In the last > few days, I felt all pressure on my blood > circulation had gone. > It was as though my circulation problems had > disappeared completely. > However I also became weak and had not the strength > to run. A friend > said I has an Auschwitz look to my sunken eyes. > > Finally I broke off it in the reverse of the > approach. At the > time of entry, I was not completely raw. I cut all > forms of meat for > one day. then vegetables and fruit for another day > and then finally > a bit of juice for a third day before starting day > one of the fast. > > It is now six moths ago but I can say it was a great experience which > all people should go through. More than half of > Africa goes through it > regularly on an enforced basis. In northern Europe > hunger and starvation > were regular events until very recent history. The > body knows when > it is going into a fast or starvation mode and copes > very well. Human > beings have been going through fasts for millions of > years. Lent merely > > formalizes what nature ordained - Easter is the time > that fresh food > arrives. > Ramadan serves the same purpose. > > To miss out on a long fast is to miss out on a > dimension in life. Only > those who have done it can know. Going on a fast > and starvation are > two > completely different notions. > > That fast kicked my right into a 100% raw food diet > which has > transformed > both my body and my life. The same food that I ate > before tastes > different. > Old ideas of throwing olive oil and lemon over a > green leaves are just a > memory. > > Others have already extolled the benefits of going > raw but the fast root > in is to start with a fast. David Wolfe sees a place > for a fast for > restoring the balance of a body and a diet. > > I note the caveats mentioned below of Dr. Graham's > findings on colonics. > > In my case, I was well prepared mentally and > physically and thus had no > problems at all. It was a one way all positive > experience. > > I hope this goes some way to answering your interest > in the experience > of > fasting. > > Peter > > Regina DeLuca [regdeluca] > 18 April 2002 20:44 > rawfood > [Raw Food] Water Fasting > > > Hey Peter, > > I fast with juices, and I've heard that water > fasting > can be dangerous. Tell me how you were able to > function for 28 days with only water?! I'm curious > about your experience. > > Regina > > --- petergardiner wrote: > > Roger, > > > > Am interested by your remarks on hydrotherapy. > > > > I went on a 28 day water fast which in my case was > > a huge success. However if I had not had my gut > > washed once a week, > > I think the benefit would have been diminished. > The > > notion of having > > recycled material passing through for 28 days was > at > > that time > > easy to avoid. > > > > As I went into the last week, the hydro therapist > > suggested some > > potion to restore healthy colonic bacteria which I > > bought for some > > $50. I did all that but for at least three weeks > > afterwards the > > chemistry of my gut had changed. That was > manifest > > by the total > > lack of a need for toilet paper! I am told that > === message truncated === Games - play chess, backgammon, pool and more http://games./ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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