Guest guest Posted May 1, 2002 Report Share Posted May 1, 2002 Have just been reading about Dr. Ornish's diet. He claims great success in curing heart disease. To cut to the chase he says that amongst other items the following should be avoided. Avocados Olives Nuts & seeds. That fairly knocks a corner off David Wolfe's triangle. It also takes a slice out of my diet. Are there any enlightened thoughts out there on this subject? Peter Gardiner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 1, 2002 Report Share Posted May 1, 2002 It's a shame! These are wonderfully healing foods. As a personal trainer I'm often asked advice regarding nutrition. I always encourage people to eat from the earth, specifically promoting avocados and raw nuts. The reaction I get is typically " aren't those high in fat? " or " I read not to eat these foods because they are bad for you. " , of which I reply " yes " and " don't listen to everything you read " . I continue with their benefits. This Dr. is setting a bad example for others who want to learn about health. I wonder what research he has to prove this recommendation? Regina --- petergardiner wrote: > Have just been reading about Dr. Ornish's diet. He > claims great success > in curing heart disease. > > To cut to the chase he says that amongst other items > the following > should > be avoided. > > Avocados > > Olives > > Nuts & seeds. > > > That fairly knocks a corner off David Wolfe's > triangle. It also takes a > slice out of my diet. Are there any enlightened > thoughts out there on > this subject? > > Peter Gardiner > > > Health - your guide to health and wellness http://health. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 1, 2002 Report Share Posted May 1, 2002 I have to agree with Regina. Dr. Ornish does not recommend a raw diet anyway. His program is quite old. I bet he recommends foods like bread and chips that have just been proven to have high levels of carcinogens. If he recommends cooked foods I don't take his information seriously. It may be helpful to people with heart disease, but couldn't compare to healthy a raw diet is. Cooked fats are the problem not raw fats. We need fat in our diets. Where does he suppose a raw foodist will get their fat? Avocados and nuts are a great source for these things. Does Dr. Ornish distinguish between raw fats versus cooked fats? Just an interesting aside for you Seinfeld Fans. There is one episode of Seifeld where Kramer becomes a raw foodist. He doesn't say anything with the term raw. Instead he said he was only eating Fresh foods. He threw out his oven I think. He was eating fruits and even meats all Fresh or uncooked. He was always going to Jerry's apartment to get more food because his new waitress girlfriend was constantly demanding food and I guess he didn't have the stuff to please her. Roger Haeske http://www.superbeing.com rawfood, Regina DeLuca <regdeluca> wrote: > It's a shame! These are wonderfully healing foods. > As a personal trainer I'm often asked advice regarding > nutrition. I always encourage people to eat from the > earth, specifically promoting avocados and raw nuts. > The reaction I get is typically " aren't those high in > fat? " or " I read not to eat these foods because they > are bad for you. " , of which I reply " yes " and " don't > listen to everything you read " . I continue with their > benefits. This Dr. is setting a bad example for others > who want to learn about health. I wonder what > research he has to prove this recommendation? > > Regina > > --- petergardiner@e... wrote: > > Have just been reading about Dr. Ornish's diet. He > > claims great success > > in curing heart disease. > > > > To cut to the chase he says that amongst other items > > the following > > should > > be avoided. > > > > Avocados > > > > Olives > > > > Nuts & seeds. > > > > > > That fairly knocks a corner off David Wolfe's > > triangle. It also takes a > > slice out of my diet. Are there any enlightened > > thoughts out there on > > this subject? > > > > Peter Gardiner > > > > > > > > > > > Health - your guide to health and wellness > http://health. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 2, 2002 Report Share Posted May 2, 2002 I am new to this group,but have been rawfooding since April 12th,and i also agree that Dr.Ornish is not a raw foodist. As to the fats in the avocados and nuts,I was hesitant at first to use them alot,because I had been on a weight loss program,and didn't want to put back the pounds.But I have lost at least 12 lbs since I started raw fooding,and I am eating avocados every day,I limit it to one,and I also use olive oil,which is also high in fat and calories,but I don't worry about that fat either,because I read recently,I believe from Dr.Weil or REal Age,that olive oil is known to reduce bad cholesterol.I also like nuts,especially cashews.I grind them in my coffee grinder,and mix them in recipes,and sprinkle it on salads.I don't like to eat nuts whole,because I was told that I had absorbtion problems in my intestines.Sometimes nuts can get caught in the intestinal walls and cause alot of trouble with bowels.But that is just me,and not telling anyone how they should eat their nuts. :-) rawfood, " realityofimagination " <roger@s...> wrote: > I have to agree with Regina. Dr. Ornish does not recommend a raw diet > anyway. His program is quite old. > > I bet he recommends foods like bread and chips that have just been > proven to have high levels of carcinogens. If he recommends cooked > foods I don't take his information seriously. It may be helpful to > people with heart disease, but couldn't compare to healthy a raw diet > is. > > Cooked fats are the problem not raw fats. We need fat in our diets. > Where does he suppose a raw foodist will get their fat? Avocados and > nuts are a great source for these things. > > Does Dr. Ornish distinguish between raw fats versus cooked fats? > > Just an interesting aside for you Seinfeld Fans. There is one episode > of Seifeld where Kramer becomes a raw foodist. He doesn't say > anything with the term raw. Instead he said he was only eating Fresh > foods. He threw out his oven I think. He was eating fruits and even > meats all Fresh or uncooked. > > He was always going to Jerry's apartment to get more food because his > new waitress girlfriend was constantly demanding food and I guess he > didn't have the stuff to please her. > > Roger Haeske > http://www.superbeing.com > > > rawfood, Regina DeLuca <regdeluca> wrote: > > It's a shame! These are wonderfully healing foods. > > As a personal trainer I'm often asked advice regarding > > nutrition. I always encourage people to eat from the > > earth, specifically promoting avocados and raw nuts. > > The reaction I get is typically " aren't those high in > > fat? " or " I read not to eat these foods because they > > are bad for you. " , of which I reply " yes " and " don't > > listen to everything you read " . I continue with their > > benefits. This Dr. is setting a bad example for others > > who want to learn about health. I wonder what > > research he has to prove this recommendation? > > > > Regina > > > > --- petergardiner@e... wrote: > > > Have just been reading about Dr. Ornish's diet. He > > > claims great success > > > in curing heart disease. > > > > > > To cut to the chase he says that amongst other items > > > the following > > > should > > > be avoided. > > > > > > Avocados > > > > > > Olives > > > > > > Nuts & seeds. > > > > > > > > > That fairly knocks a corner off David Wolfe's > > > triangle. It also takes a > > > slice out of my diet. Are there any enlightened > > > thoughts out there on > > > this subject? > > > > > > Peter Gardiner > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Health - your guide to health and wellness > > http://health. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 2, 2002 Report Share Posted May 2, 2002 As Davis Wolfe says - Cashew nuts are heat treated. Sorry but they ain't raw. David fell into the same delusion. PG friday_schild [fridays_child] jeudi 2 mai 2002 6:12 rawfood Re: [Raw Food] Dr. Ornish Diet I am new to this group,but have been rawfooding since April 12th,and i also agree that Dr.Ornish is not a raw foodist. As to the fats in the avocados and nuts,I was hesitant at first to use them alot,because I had been on a weight loss program,and didn't want to put back the pounds.But I have lost at least 12 lbs since I started raw fooding,and I am eating avocados every day,I limit it to one,and I also use olive oil,which is also high in fat and calories,but I don't worry about that fat either,because I read recently,I believe from Dr.Weil or REal Age,that olive oil is known to reduce bad cholesterol.I also like nuts,especially cashews.I grind them in my coffee grinder,and mix them in recipes,and sprinkle it on salads.I don't like to eat nuts whole,because I was told that I had absorbtion problems in my intestines.Sometimes nuts can get caught in the intestinal walls and cause alot of trouble with bowels.But that is just me,and not telling anyone how they should eat their nuts. :-) rawfood, " realityofimagination " <roger@s...> wrote: > I have to agree with Regina. Dr. Ornish does not recommend a raw diet > anyway. His program is quite old. > > I bet he recommends foods like bread and chips that have just been > proven to have high levels of carcinogens. If he recommends cooked > foods I don't take his information seriously. It may be helpful to > people with heart disease, but couldn't compare to healthy a raw diet > is. > > Cooked fats are the problem not raw fats. We need fat in our diets. > Where does he suppose a raw foodist will get their fat? Avocados and > nuts are a great source for these things. > > Does Dr. Ornish distinguish between raw fats versus cooked fats? > > Just an interesting aside for you Seinfeld Fans. There is one episode > of Seifeld where Kramer becomes a raw foodist. He doesn't say > anything with the term raw. Instead he said he was only eating Fresh > foods. He threw out his oven I think. He was eating fruits and even > meats all Fresh or uncooked. > > He was always going to Jerry's apartment to get more food because his > new waitress girlfriend was constantly demanding food and I guess he > didn't have the stuff to please her. > > Roger Haeske > http://www.superbeing.com > > > rawfood, Regina DeLuca <regdeluca> wrote: > > It's a shame! These are wonderfully healing foods. > > As a personal trainer I'm often asked advice regarding > > nutrition. I always encourage people to eat from the > > earth, specifically promoting avocados and raw nuts. > > The reaction I get is typically " aren't those high in > > fat? " or " I read not to eat these foods because they > > are bad for you. " , of which I reply " yes " and " don't > > listen to everything you read " . I continue with their > > benefits. This Dr. is setting a bad example for others > > who want to learn about health. I wonder what > > research he has to prove this recommendation? > > > > Regina > > > > --- petergardiner@e... wrote: > > > Have just been reading about Dr. Ornish's diet. He claims great > > > success in curing heart disease. > > > > > > To cut to the chase he says that amongst other items > > > the following > > > should > > > be avoided. > > > > > > Avocados > > > > > > Olives > > > > > > Nuts & seeds. > > > > > > > > > That fairly knocks a corner off David Wolfe's > > > triangle. It also takes a > > > slice out of my diet. Are there any enlightened > > > thoughts out there on > > > this subject? > > > > > > Peter Gardiner > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Health - your guide to health and wellness > > http://health. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 2, 2002 Report Share Posted May 2, 2002 Thanks for the feedback all. My Source for Dr. Ornish's Diet was Webmd. When I looked at his diet seriously last year, I read of cooked elements and noted his doctrinaire attitude; as in follow me rigidly or suffer the consequences. The slightest deviation will be catastrophic. You have to suffer to get the cure. Such sounded a bit medieval to me. Yesterday I read that he achieves a 10% improvement in blood circulation after five years. I should think that that is an average figure and that there are those who do even better on his regime. Dare I say that I am doing more like 50% better on raw food in one year? However in deference to the learned doctor, who should most certainly be doctrinaire, I will be keeping the fat lower for a bit to see whether it gives me yet another lift. Also I will be cutting alcohol to frugal limits in the hope that that also helps. On nuts, I suppose like many others, some months ago, I heard Dr. Weil say on Larry King Live that olive oil and walnuts taken together were cholesterol lowering. That he said was new and a scientific truth. Further on this subject, I take the view that nut should be soaked which will make them a whole lot more digestible and avoid the problems of sticking on the walls of the digestive tract. Munching them to the end should further help. I sometimes eat brazil nuts with the notion that I will thereby be finding almost the only natural source of selenium around. After a day of soaking they are hardly changed. Should I be soaking them for much longer? Peter realityofimagination [roger] jeudi 2 mai 2002 0:34 rawfood Re: [Raw Food] Dr. Ornish Diet I have to agree with Regina. Dr. Ornish does not recommend a raw diet anyway. His program is quite old. I bet he recommends foods like bread and chips that have just been proven to have high levels of carcinogens. If he recommends cooked foods I don't take his information seriously. It may be helpful to people with heart disease, but couldn't compare to healthy a raw diet is. Cooked fats are the problem not raw fats. We need fat in our diets. Where does he suppose a raw foodist will get their fat? Avocados and nuts are a great source for these things. Does Dr. Ornish distinguish between raw fats versus cooked fats? Just an interesting aside for you Seinfeld Fans. There is one episode of Seifeld where Kramer becomes a raw foodist. He doesn't say anything with the term raw. Instead he said he was only eating Fresh foods. He threw out his oven I think. He was eating fruits and even meats all Fresh or uncooked. He was always going to Jerry's apartment to get more food because his new waitress girlfriend was constantly demanding food and I guess he didn't have the stuff to please her. Roger Haeske http://www.superbeing.com rawfood, Regina DeLuca <regdeluca> wrote: > It's a shame! These are wonderfully healing foods. > As a personal trainer I'm often asked advice regarding > nutrition. I always encourage people to eat from the > earth, specifically promoting avocados and raw nuts. > The reaction I get is typically " aren't those high in > fat? " or " I read not to eat these foods because they > are bad for you. " , of which I reply " yes " and " don't > listen to everything you read " . I continue with their > benefits. This Dr. is setting a bad example for others > who want to learn about health. I wonder what > research he has to prove this recommendation? > > Regina > > --- petergardiner@e... wrote: > > Have just been reading about Dr. Ornish's diet. He > > claims great success > > in curing heart disease. > > > > To cut to the chase he says that amongst other items > > the following > > should > > be avoided. > > > > Avocados > > > > Olives > > > > Nuts & seeds. > > > > > > That fairly knocks a corner off David Wolfe's > > triangle. It also takes a > > slice out of my diet. Are there any enlightened > > thoughts out there on > > this subject? > > > > Peter Gardiner > > > > > > > > > > > Health - your guide to health and wellness > http://health. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 2, 2002 Report Share Posted May 2, 2002 Hi Peter, Just a quick note. Brazil nuts probably aren't raw, even if they say so. They are like cashews that are very difficult to get out of their shells without heating. At least that is what I have read. Roger Haeske http://www.superbeing.com rawfood, <petergardiner@e...> wrote: > Thanks for the feedback all. > > My Source for Dr. Ornish's Diet was Webmd. When I looked at > his diet seriously last year, I read of cooked elements and > noted his doctrinaire attitude; as in follow me rigidly > or suffer the consequences. The slightest deviation will > be catastrophic. You have to suffer to get the cure. Such > sounded a bit medieval to me. Yesterday I read that he achieves > a 10% improvement in blood circulation after five years. I should > think that that is an average figure and that there are those > who do even better on his regime. > > Dare I say that I am doing more like 50% better on raw food > in one year? However in deference to the learned doctor, who > should most certainly be doctrinaire, I will be keeping the > fat lower for a bit to see whether it gives me yet another lift. > Also I will be cutting alcohol to frugal limits in the hope that > that also helps. > > On nuts, I suppose like many others, some months ago, I heard > Dr. Weil say on Larry King Live that olive oil and walnuts taken > together were cholesterol lowering. That he said was new and a > scientific truth. Further on this subject, I take the view that > nut should be soaked which will make them a whole lot more > digestible and avoid the problems of sticking on the walls > of the digestive tract. Munching them to the end should further help. > > I sometimes eat brazil nuts with the notion that I will thereby be > finding almost the only natural source of selenium around. After > a day of soaking they are hardly changed. Should I be soaking them > for much longer? > > Peter > realityofimagination [roger@s...] > jeudi 2 mai 2002 0:34 > rawfood > Re: [Raw Food] Dr. Ornish Diet > > > I have to agree with Regina. Dr. Ornish does not recommend a raw diet > anyway. His program is quite old. > > I bet he recommends foods like bread and chips that have just been > proven to have high levels of carcinogens. If he recommends cooked > foods I don't take his information seriously. It may be helpful to > people with heart disease, but couldn't compare to healthy a raw diet > is. > > Cooked fats are the problem not raw fats. We need fat in our diets. > Where does he suppose a raw foodist will get their fat? Avocados and > nuts are a great source for these things. > > Does Dr. Ornish distinguish between raw fats versus cooked fats? > > Just an interesting aside for you Seinfeld Fans. There is one episode > of Seifeld where Kramer becomes a raw foodist. He doesn't say > anything with the term raw. Instead he said he was only eating Fresh > foods. He threw out his oven I think. He was eating fruits and even > meats all Fresh or uncooked. > > He was always going to Jerry's apartment to get more food because his > new waitress girlfriend was constantly demanding food and I guess he > didn't have the stuff to please her. > > Roger Haeske > http://www.superbeing.com > > > rawfood, Regina DeLuca <regdeluca> wrote: > > It's a shame! These are wonderfully healing foods. > > As a personal trainer I'm often asked advice regarding > > nutrition. I always encourage people to eat from the > > earth, specifically promoting avocados and raw nuts. > > The reaction I get is typically " aren't those high in > > fat? " or " I read not to eat these foods because they > > are bad for you. " , of which I reply " yes " and " don't > > listen to everything you read " . I continue with their > > benefits. This Dr. is setting a bad example for others > > who want to learn about health. I wonder what > > research he has to prove this recommendation? > > > > Regina > > > > --- petergardiner@e... wrote: > > > Have just been reading about Dr. Ornish's diet. He > > > claims great success > > > in curing heart disease. > > > > > > To cut to the chase he says that amongst other items > > > the following > > > should > > > be avoided. > > > > > > Avocados > > > > > > Olives > > > > > > Nuts & seeds. > > > > > > > > > That fairly knocks a corner off David Wolfe's > > > triangle. It also takes a > > > slice out of my diet. Are there any enlightened > > > thoughts out there on > > > this subject? > > > > > > Peter Gardiner > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Health - your guide to health and wellness > > http://health. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 2, 2002 Report Share Posted May 2, 2002 Thanks Roger That certainly explains why they do not soften up! Peter realityofimagination [roger] jeudi 2 mai 2002 8:09 rawfood Re: [Raw Food] Dr. Ornish Diet Hi Peter, Just a quick note. Brazil nuts probably aren't raw, even if they say so. They are like cashews that are very difficult to get out of their shells without heating. At least that is what I have read. Roger Haeske http://www.superbeing.com rawfood, <petergardiner@e...> wrote: > Thanks for the feedback all. > > My Source for Dr. Ornish's Diet was Webmd. When I looked at his diet > seriously last year, I read of cooked elements and noted his > doctrinaire attitude; as in follow me rigidly or suffer the > consequences. The slightest deviation will be catastrophic. You have > to suffer to get the cure. Such sounded a bit medieval to me. > Yesterday I read that he achieves a 10% improvement in blood > circulation after five years. I should think that that is an average > figure and that there are those who do even better on his regime. > > Dare I say that I am doing more like 50% better on raw food > in one year? However in deference to the learned doctor, who > should most certainly be doctrinaire, I will be keeping the > fat lower for a bit to see whether it gives me yet another lift. > Also I will be cutting alcohol to frugal limits in the hope that > that also helps. > > On nuts, I suppose like many others, some months ago, I heard > Dr. Weil say on Larry King Live that olive oil and walnuts taken > together were cholesterol lowering. That he said was new and a > scientific truth. Further on this subject, I take the view that > nut should be soaked which will make them a whole lot more > digestible and avoid the problems of sticking on the walls > of the digestive tract. Munching them to the end should further help. > > I sometimes eat brazil nuts with the notion that I will thereby be > finding almost the only natural source of selenium around. After a day > of soaking they are hardly changed. Should I be soaking them for much > longer? > > Peter > realityofimagination [roger@s...] > jeudi 2 mai 2002 0:34 > rawfood > Re: [Raw Food] Dr. Ornish Diet > > > I have to agree with Regina. Dr. Ornish does not recommend a raw diet > anyway. His program is quite old. > > I bet he recommends foods like bread and chips that have just been > proven to have high levels of carcinogens. If he recommends cooked > foods I don't take his information seriously. It may be helpful to > people with heart disease, but couldn't compare to healthy a raw diet > is. > > Cooked fats are the problem not raw fats. We need fat in our diets. > Where does he suppose a raw foodist will get their fat? Avocados and > nuts are a great source for these things. > > Does Dr. Ornish distinguish between raw fats versus cooked fats? > > Just an interesting aside for you Seinfeld Fans. There is one episode > of Seifeld where Kramer becomes a raw foodist. He doesn't say > anything with the term raw. Instead he said he was only eating Fresh > foods. He threw out his oven I think. He was eating fruits and even > meats all Fresh or uncooked. > > He was always going to Jerry's apartment to get more food because his > new waitress girlfriend was constantly demanding food and I guess he > didn't have the stuff to please her. > > Roger Haeske > http://www.superbeing.com > > > rawfood, Regina DeLuca <regdeluca> wrote: > > It's a shame! These are wonderfully healing foods. > > As a personal trainer I'm often asked advice regarding nutrition. I > > always encourage people to eat from the earth, specifically > > promoting avocados and raw nuts. The reaction I get is typically > > " aren't those high in fat? " or " I read not to eat these foods > > because they are bad for you. " , of which I reply " yes " and " don't > > listen to everything you read " . I continue with their > > benefits. This Dr. is setting a bad example for others > > who want to learn about health. I wonder what > > research he has to prove this recommendation? > > > > Regina > > > > --- petergardiner@e... wrote: > > > Have just been reading about Dr. Ornish's diet. He claims great > > > success in curing heart disease. > > > > > > To cut to the chase he says that amongst other items > > > the following > > > should > > > be avoided. > > > > > > Avocados > > > > > > Olives > > > > > > Nuts & seeds. > > > > > > > > > That fairly knocks a corner off David Wolfe's > > > triangle. It also takes a > > > slice out of my diet. Are there any enlightened > > > thoughts out there on > > > this subject? > > > > > > Peter Gardiner > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Health - your guide to health and wellness > > http://health. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 2, 2002 Report Share Posted May 2, 2002 I agree about soaking the nuts. I usually soak almonds, hazelnuts and/or pecans. I'm not a brazil nut fan, so I'm not sure about soaking them longer. I would guess that may be the case since they are bigger. Figure the consistency of the other nuts after they've been soaked. Regina --- petergardiner wrote: > Thanks for the feedback all. > > My Source for Dr. Ornish's Diet was Webmd. When I > looked at > his diet seriously last year, I read of cooked > elements and > noted his doctrinaire attitude; as in follow me > rigidly > or suffer the consequences. The slightest deviation > will > be catastrophic. You have to suffer to get the > cure. Such > sounded a bit medieval to me. Yesterday I read that > he achieves > a 10% improvement in blood circulation after five > years. I should > think that that is an average figure and that there > are those > who do even better on his regime. > > Dare I say that I am doing more like 50% better on > raw food > in one year? However in deference to the learned > doctor, who > should most certainly be doctrinaire, I will be > keeping the > fat lower for a bit to see whether it gives me yet > another lift. > Also I will be cutting alcohol to frugal limits in > the hope that > that also helps. > > On nuts, I suppose like many others, some months > ago, I heard > Dr. Weil say on Larry King Live that olive oil and > walnuts taken > together were cholesterol lowering. That he said > was new and a > scientific truth. Further on this subject, I take > the view that > nut should be soaked which will make them a whole > lot more > digestible and avoid the problems of sticking on the > walls > of the digestive tract. Munching them to the end > should further help. > > I sometimes eat brazil nuts with the notion that I > will thereby be > finding almost the only natural source of selenium > around. After > a day of soaking they are hardly changed. Should I > be soaking them > for much longer? > > Peter > realityofimagination > [roger] > jeudi 2 mai 2002 0:34 > rawfood > Re: [Raw Food] Dr. Ornish Diet > > > I have to agree with Regina. Dr. Ornish does not > recommend a raw diet > anyway. His program is quite old. > > I bet he recommends foods like bread and chips that > have just been > proven to have high levels of carcinogens. If he > recommends cooked > foods I don't take his information seriously. It may > be helpful to > people with heart disease, but couldn't compare to > healthy a raw diet > is. > > Cooked fats are the problem not raw fats. We need > fat in our diets. > Where does he suppose a raw foodist will get their > fat? Avocados and > nuts are a great source for these things. > > Does Dr. Ornish distinguish between raw fats versus > cooked fats? > > Just an interesting aside for you Seinfeld Fans. > There is one episode > of Seifeld where Kramer becomes a raw foodist. He > doesn't say > anything with the term raw. Instead he said he was > only eating Fresh > foods. He threw out his oven I think. He was eating > fruits and even > meats all Fresh or uncooked. > > He was always going to Jerry's apartment to get more > food because his > new waitress girlfriend was constantly demanding > food and I guess he > didn't have the stuff to please her. > > Roger Haeske > http://www.superbeing.com > > > rawfood, Regina DeLuca <regdeluca> > wrote: > > It's a shame! These are wonderfully healing > foods. > > As a personal trainer I'm often asked advice > regarding > > nutrition. I always encourage people to eat from > the > > earth, specifically promoting avocados and raw > nuts. > > The reaction I get is typically " aren't those high > in > > fat? " or " I read not to eat these foods because > they > > are bad for you. " , of which I reply " yes " and > " don't > > listen to everything you read " . I continue with > their > > benefits. This Dr. is setting a bad example for > others > > who want to learn about health. I wonder what > > research he has to prove this recommendation? > > > > Regina > > > > --- petergardiner@e... wrote: > > > Have just been reading about Dr. Ornish's diet. > He > > > claims great success > > > in curing heart disease. > > > > > > To cut to the chase he says that amongst other > items > > > the following > > > should > > > be avoided. > > > > > > Avocados > > > > > > Olives > > > > > > Nuts & seeds. > > > > > > > > > That fairly knocks a corner off David Wolfe's > > > triangle. It also takes a > > > slice out of my diet. Are there any enlightened > > > thoughts out there on > > > this subject? > > > > > > Peter Gardiner > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Health - your guide to health and wellness > > http://health. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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